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There are only 12 children listed, but the article says 13. Can anyone find a more complete list? - (unsigned)
An unnamed child died in infancy. - Nunh-huh 00:48, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Second question, is she famous in her own right? -- Graham :) | Talk 00:52, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
See the artile, which now identifies 13 children, including the unnamed child who died very young.
See the legacy section about her importance.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Deisenbe, I am a little confused by this edit, with the edit summary stating that Mary Brown was not an abolitionist. Please read the second paragraph of the Ohio section, the North Elba section, and the Legacy section.
Please also read the abstract here for The Tie That Bound Us: The Women of John Brown's Family and the Legacy of Radical Abolitionism by Bonnie Laughlin-Schultz.
Why do you wish to make a point that she was not an abolitionist?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mary believed it important to bring an end to slavery. She saw African Americans as her equals.[11]
John considered his wife a partner and a "fast and faithful affectionate friend" who made it possible for him to focus on his fight against slavery. He recognized that she took on a life of "poverty, trials, discredit, and sore afflictions" due to his commitments, which resulted in periods of illness and loss.[13]
Gerrit Smith established a land-grant colony for African Americans at North Elba, New York, in the Adirondacks wilderness. John Brown moved to the area, with his family, to teach the men how to farm.[16]
The Browns assisted Blacks who were escaping slavery on the Underground Railroad, which became more dangerous with the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.[19]
Brown's life was one of financial hardship,[22] and yet the family set aside money to aid African Americans in North Elba.[23]
Mary was described as an invalid by visitor Richard Henry Dana Jr. in 1849.and yet
Mary was managing the family's "hardscrabble" existence in North Elba — as he traveled through Canada and the Northern states.[24]
Her correspondence shows that she was devoted to her husband and abolitionism. Author John Newton stated in Captain John Brown (1902) that she bore "hardship, poverty, prolonged separation from her husband, yea, even the loss of her noble sons to further the sacred cause of freedom."
Mary refused to come to the Kennedy Farm, as her husband requested. She did not answer his request at all, and did "everything in her power" to prevent her stepdaughter Annie and Oliver's wife Martha from going in her place.[25]: 1188means to me that Mary was not a passive supporter of John's efforts. If she didn't believe in an approach - or wanted to keep her and her daughters safe from harm - she stood her ground.
the commitment of his wife and daughters often goes unacknowledged. This book reveals for the first time the depth of the Brown women's involvement in his cause... followed by more supporting content.
Because of their longevity and their position as symbols of the most radical form of abolitionist agitation, the story of the Brown women illuminates the changing nature of how Americans remembered Brown's raid, radical antislavery, and the causes and consequences of the Civil War.
In 1857 abolitionist and Brown backer Franklin Sanborn noted that Mary, Ruth, and Annie were “hardworking, self-denying, devoted women, fully sensible of the greatness of the struggle in which Capt. Brown is engaged, and willing to bear their part in it.”11 In the 1840s and 1850s, Mary and Ruth labored at home so that Brown and his sons could be away Fighting slavery, and daughter Annie worked alongside Brown’s raiders in 1859. But they experienced the decades in which the family was drawn into antislavery militancy from a perspective different from that of their men. While the Brown men were away, the Brown women toiled at home, their efforts al¬ lowing Brown’s commitment to antislavery endeavors near and far.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have made this edit one more time. It is not in the cited source.
On one hand, there is an issue with making edits based upon original research versus research from reliable sources. In addition, it is a slippery slope to make edits, even a relatively minor edit like this, without adding the source. Then the article loses its verifiability, credibility, and reliability.
If you'd really like to have this, as I believe you do, please add a source for the information that Hudson was John Brown's home town.
Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: There have been some edits made back and forth between use of Mary's given name and her surname in the article. Generally, surname is used per MOS:SURNAME. But one editor seemed determined to use her given name. In this case, there's no use arguing about this. Because of all the Brown's mentioned in the article, it is clearer to reference the subject as Mary.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
