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G Klasse are not SUVs

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Calling this car an SUV makes little sense. These cars have seen military use, have driven across deserts in rallies and are simply true and complete off roaders. The fact that rich people drive them around town does not make them SUVs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamagurka (talk • contribs) 23:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to support that opinion. From what I've learned one of the criteria distinguishing SUVs form "real" off-road vehicles, is the ladder frame construction, which a.f.a.i.k. the G-Model has.Unsigned 7 December 2018.

According to this page on the Mercedes website, they are No cargo too precious. No detail too small.Fleet Lists (talk) 10:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Broken down G-Wagens

Six out of seven of Mercedes-Benz's military-styled G-Wagens have experienced shock absorber failures during an attempt to cross the West Australian outback. The day was blighted by another incident when an after-market UHF radio shorted out, taking out a number of other fuses with it, and the failure of one car's air-conditioning system, a necessity in the 30-degree-plus heat of the outback. http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/updated-outback-cripples-mercedesbenzs-toughest-offroaders-20110805-1ie5s.html

Would someone with better editin skills like to precis the G55 material - at the moment it reads like a cut and paste of advertising material from MB! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.30.232.1 (talk) 13:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The G Series is NOT the most expensive SUV ever built by Mercedes. Citation 3 references to a special armored version of the G Series, which may be the very expensive. However, the ordinary G Series is cheaper than a M or GL Series, both SUVs from Mercedes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.74.13 (talk) 20:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

G Series does not have a 2006 year model. They sell the 2005 G's as "Grand Edition". Actuallty since 2005 was the last year, this Grand Edition is more expensive than 2005. Mercedes has stopped this line and the new GL is a new beefed up version of M Class.

You mean G-Klasse. Mercedes-Benz doesn't use series. And in any case, no, production has not ceased. The Gelandewagen is a true offroader. The GL is an SUV meant to slot in between the M-Klasse and G-Klasse.(Myscrnnm (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Editor 68.158.32.156 has a lot to say about Mercedes-Benz discontinuing production of the G-Wagen at their plant in Graz.

Here are his comments. Note that all were wrapped in [[ and ]]

• 20050708.0522: This is total nonsense gossip. G production of the current iteration will continue in Graz until at least 2010.
• 20050708.0552: This is quite simply NOT true. Production of the current iterations (W461 & W463) of the G-Class will continue in Graz, Austria until at least 2010.
• 20050708.1012: In the last two days (today is 08 July), 2005, it was announced in Europe that production of the existing W461 and W463 series G will continue in Graz, Austria through 2010. The Ward's article is out of date.
• 20050710.1229: Whoever is re-editing this page needs to check the their facts for the latest information. The W461 & W463 G-wagens will continue to be manufactured at the Graz, Austria plant thorugh 2010. The Ward's article is out of date and no longer valid as far as the G-wagen is concerned. This is my last attempt to help you folks have current and correct information.

Pity this is his last attempt.

If we had a source for this, it would be completely reasonable. As is, I'm leaving it in as a rumor. Other editors should treat it accordingly. --Milkmandan 20:01, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I searched all the auto news sources I could and found no reference to Graz through 2010. Would that it were true - the new G seems a pale imitation of the old... --SFoskett 12:37, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Auto Motor und Sport and Auto Bild give conflicting reports. The first one said 2006 but the second mentioned 2008. The AM&S piece had no date, while the Auto Bild article is from the last quarter of 2004. --Pc13 20:06, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

I think the section on engine types is a poor mishmash of engines available only in one region all lumped together. For instance, there are no current diesel engines available in Canada, just the G500 and G55 AMG. Either the section could be inclusive of all available engines but specify their availability, or leave it empty of specifics and merely state there are gas and diesel engines, blending with the ealier text of the article. Just my thoughts. TimothyPilgrim 13:56, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Does Mercedes still make chassis cabs and in what contries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.201.136.122 (talk) 05:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about you guys, but I think that picture of what is supposedly the new G-Class looks like a Photoshop fake. Should I take it down until a better picture is found? --ApolloBoy 06:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Official photos by Mercedes show the car called GL-Class. Should a dedicated article be created ?Hektor 13:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldnt this article be under Mercedes-Benz Geländewagen? --Dahlis 13:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The W460 was popular with military and off-road enthusiasts, with more than 50,000 built in the first decade. Mercedes-Benz initially did not sell the model in the United States, but by means of "casual importation" grey-market in the mid-1980s, importers sold some G-Wagens, mostly W463s, which had been modified to meet the specifications by the US DOT, at about $135,000." Isn't this incorrect? If the W463s were not produced until the 90s, how were they "grey market" imported and modified for USDOT standards in the 80s? I think they may have meants W460s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.184.250.10 (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing the owner's list at the end of the week as it was discussed in the Maserati MC12 article that came to light in the Ferrari Enzo page, which although referenced, but when submitted for peer review, several people said to remove the list. If there is any objections feel free to mention it here. Willirennen 11:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was there ever a ute verson released (tray back)? I am in Melbourne, Australia and have seen one that had a sticker on the back "Engineering Evaluation Vehicle". I have only seen it at night, it appears to have a long wheel base and sits very high off the ground. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.206.127 (talk) 12:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I can't find any info in the article. Miq (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is incorrect. The Mercedes UNIMOG has been in continiuos production for much longer - needs checking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.87.115 (talk) 19:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Unimog is a series of different cars, whereas the G is still of the original design.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Found an MSN references that supports this claim. Warren (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed several uses of the word "jeep" which is a proprietary Chrysler brand name and would urge future fellow editors to exercise the same level of care in this regard. If it is necessary to use a generic term I'd suggest "4x4" or "four wheel drive vehicle" - always assuming that the civilian G-wagens still have all wheel drive capability. Though I imagine the Russian military's civilian-derived G-wagens do... 87.115.30.59 (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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From 1988 to 2014, a German named Gunther Holtorf traveled across the world in a model 300GD, reaching all five continents and covering nearly 900,000km. His vehicle was later sold to Mercedes-Benz.^[1][2]

Does anyone know the definition of "trivia" that would warrant this removal? Mighty Morphin Army Ranger (talk) 22:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• This article is about the car, not about people who use it, with the exception of motor sports. If enough people here support adding it you might be able to get it into the article, though (see WP:CONSENSUS), but there has to be consensus in favour of it first. Thomas.W ^talk 22:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mercedes-Benz bought this particular G-Wagen for their museum, and they intend to showcase it across Europe. Why? Because of what it has demonstrated about the ruggedness and reliability of the model. They also paid for it to be shipped back from Australia to Germany for the model's 25th birthday celebrations (which I guess would be 2004 - this article says nothing about what them - was that deemed trivia also?). If that doesn't make this addition about the car, as opposed to just people who use it, then I don't know what would. Mighty Morphin Army Ranger (talk) 22:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MB bought the car in order to use it for promotion/marketing, and it's also in MB's interest to see to it that Gunther Holtdorf gets as much media coverage as possible, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a vehicle for promotion/marketing, so if MB/Gunther Holtdorf want free marketing space they'll have to look for it elsewhere. Thomas.W ^talk 23:04, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, what a surprise. I wondered when the baseless accusations of promotion would surface. Why is it none of you even bother to do the most basic of research before coming out with this crap? According to the sources, which trump whatever people here want to come out with, Gunther Holtdorf didn't do any of this for publicity, and he has no intention of even writing a travelogue, even though he could clearly make lots of money from it. If you had any sense of ethics you'd retract that blatant slur. And is it seriously supposed to be news to anyone here that MB bought the car for publicity? Really? This next revelation might shock you - but companies like MB only engage in motorsport for publicity. Why does it get included in an encyclopedia? Because people other than the company writes about it, and they say lots more about it than 'don't these people make fast cars', that's why. The same thing has happened here too, hence why it too is also 'encyclopedic' (and one of these days I'll find someone here who can even unambiguously define that word, given how often you act as if it's a definitive point you're making by using it all the time). Anyway, I'm glad we finally got to the real reason - promotion. I just knew it wouldn't be trivia. Mighty Morphin Army Ranger (talk) 00:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gunther Holtorf probably didn't do it for publicity back then, but both Holtorf and Mercedes-Benz, or at least MB North America, are using it for publicity now. And the article you wrote about Holtorf was totally unencyclopaedic, with far too much detail for a non-notable individual, and everything directly or indirectly sourced to "ottosreise.de", Holtorfs own web site. Thomas.W ^talk 10:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who's writing that it's a compact suv? It's not, the compact Mercedes suv's are GLK and GLA. Enough vandalizing and misleading our readers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.234.241 (talk) 08:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Mercedes is somehow getting people to part with $130,000 for an experience that I'd liken to an old Jeep with a 454 V8 greased-and-rammed into the engine bay. Oh, hell yeah it rips if you jump on the throttle. But it can't corner safely, it's not comfortable, and just about everyone is laughing at you or giving you the finger when you roll by. Yep, there's some praise....

A more focused look from CR:

Snow traction (best listed first)

Rank Make & model

1. Subaru Outback

2. Subaru XV Crosstrek

3. Subaru Forester

4. Audi Q5

5. Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL

6. Jeep Wrangler

7. Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon

8. Jeep Grand Cherokee

9. Toyota 4Runner

10. Ford Expedition

11. Volvo XC60

12. Ford Edge

13. Volkswagen Touareg

14. Buick Enclave

15. Lexus RX

16. Toyota Sequoia

17. Volvo XC70

18. Acura MDX

19. Lincoln MKX

20. Jeep Cherokee

21. Dodge Durango

22. Mercedes-Benz M-Class

23. Chevrolet Traverse/GMC Acadia

24. BMW X3

25. BMW X5

26. Ford Explorer

27. BMW X1

28. Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class

29. Honda Pilot

30. Chevrolet Equinox/GMC Terrain

31. Toyota Highlander

32. Toyota Venza

33. Ford Escape

34. Mercedes-Benz GL-Class

35. Hyundai Santa Fe Sport

36. Toyota RAV4

37. Buick Encore

38. Honda Crosstour

39. Hyundai Santa Fe

40. Volkswagen Tiguan

41. Honda CR-V

42. Ford Flex

43. Nissan Murano

44. Mazda CX-5

45. Mazda CX-9

46. Cadillac SRX

47. Acura RDX

48. Infiniti JX, QX60

49. Nissan Pathfinder

50. Kia Sorento

51. Hyundai Tucson

52. Nissan Rogue

53. Nissan Juke

Note that the the G-wagen came in behind some sedans.... Anmccaff (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Does the W461 still exist? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 01:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The G-Wagen has a very interesting history in reaching North American consumers. Good information, but sprinkled haphazardly throughout the article. A section that focuses on that fascinating story would be useful. PLawrence99cx (talk) 20:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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