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The modern Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters 靺鞨 is, indeed, Malgal; however, the final "l" sound is derived from a glottally stopped entering tone in older and Southern Chinese dialects which was stopped with a "t" [ㄷ] sound. The t-glottal stops changed to "l's" [ㄹ]in Middle Korean. So while Korean is usually a better reflection of the sounds represented for non-Chinese words in old documents than Mandarin dialect Chinese, we need to keep the above sound change in mind. The t-stops are preserved, moreover, in Japanese--reflected as an additional syllable, "-matsu" (マツ) [靺鞨=マツカツ」. So, the more accurate Korean reading for these characters would be Matkat rather than Malgal. Doc Rock
First of all, I was discussing the pronounciation of an old Chinese term, and only ancillarily discussing Korean; however, for the record, I studied Korean for a year at the US Army Language School in Monterey in 1961. I later earned a BA from Indiana University with a major in Korean Studies and a minor in Japanese in 1966. I received a Masters degree in Korean Studies from Princeton University in 1969 with minors in Chinese and Japanese. I later earned a PhD in Korean literature in 1981, also from Princeton (Dissertation: The Sijo Poetry of Pak Nogye). I was a Fulbright Fellow in Korea 1967-1968 and during that time I studied Middle Korean with Professor Kim Minsu [김민수 金敏洙][1](高麗大), Old Korean with Professor Yang Chudong 梁柱東 (東国大), and Classical Chinese (in Korean) with [Im Ch'angsun 任昌淳][2]. I've taught Korean language, literature, and history at Indiana University and Japanese language and literature at Colby College. I have worked most of my life as a Korean teacher and translator. These are my Korean language bona fides. Now would the Hairwizard91 wish to discuss specifics about my earlier comment or just throw unsupported insults? --Doc Rock 02:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a series of maps that cover history from 1300 BC to 1200 AD, including several maps that show "Mohe Tribes". But I don't have any more information than that! I'd love to include borders for the Mohe and any official Kingdoms they ruled. Anyone have any info? Thomas Lessman (talk) 08:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.iacd.or.kr/pdf/journal/04/4-02.pdf is a totally bogus article. It's making statements based on vague resemblances of words, not considering even phonetic changes during times and other factors. "Because "Mogher", "Merjie" and "Mo-jie" are all pronounced much like "Magyar", it can be deduced that the Mo-jie fu of the Bo-hai (渤海) kingdom was probably the residence of the remaining tribespeople of the Mogher, a majority of whom had moved to the west and kept the name "Magyar".". Seriously, is this considered a scientific approach? Teemeah 편지 (letter) 13:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Balhae was an ethnic Mohe Tungusic ruled Kingdom with some Korean subjects. The royal family was Mohe.
"Should Balhae be viewed as Korean because its founder and many of its subjects had been subjects of Goguryeo? Or, because its founder was a Malgal, should it be viewed as an Inner Asian state, more like the Xianbei, Khitan, Jurchen ... Treating it as part of Korean history is much like treating the Xiongnu and Mongols as part of Chinese history" - Pre-Modern East Asia: A Cultural, Social, and Political History, pg. 111
"[Parhae] did occupy the northernmost parts of what is now Korea, including the modern Hamgyong Province, and its ruling dynasty of non-Korean ethnic origins proudly laid claim to Koguryo's heritage. The rulers of Parhae often referred to their state as the successor to Koguryo, and many of the leading families traced their ancestry to that state. But Parhae's population was predominately of groups different from those that evolved into modern ethnic Koreans." - Michael J. Seth, in A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present
Rajmaan (talk) 02:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked through both sources, and unsurprisingly, the authors give no reference to their notion that Balhae's founder is of Mohe stock. Which historical texts state Dae Joyoung is Mohe/Malgal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inaevyn (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
