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what happened in the second trial the the Myall Creek Massacre??? i need some info for my assignment i have got to reserch for it... yeah me too
In the second trial I think the 11 people go punished for the murder of the baby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.33.166.100 (talk) 09:04, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest these clarifications: First, to an obvious error. The massacre was on June 10, 1838, so the murderers could not have arrived on June 27. To call eleven of the men convict settlers is misleading. Some were still convicts, and some were ex-convicts who had served their time. Second, they were not settlers in the terminology of the time. They were employed by or assigned to squatters who were sending their sheep and cattle out on runs beyond the officially defined boundaries of settlement. The prosecutor's opening address to the jury in the first trial lists the eleven defendants' status individually as convicts or time-expired ex-convicts, and it also makes clear the massacre took place beyond the boundaries of settlement.
I have never seen a challenge to the claim it was the first time whites were tried, convicted and executed for the massacre of Aborigines in Australia. It's almost certainly the only time, also.
Those wishing to research the massacre will find value in the reports of the first trial published in contemporary newspapers and now available online from a Macquarie University Law School project, particularly the prosecutor's opening address and the witnesses' evidence. http://www.law.mq.edu.au/scnsw/Cases1838-39/html/r_v_kilmeister__no_1___1838.htm#bn1
This web pabe provides links to the second trial reports (in which the judge's sentencing remarks are worth reading), and points to the archival material available for even more advanced research. Grumpyoldjourno (talk) 23:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The event of the Myall Creek massacre shows the prejudice of the British towards the Aboriginals even thogh they had invede their land!
"This was the first time that the European legal system had been used to punish white people for crimes against Aboriginal people."
Is this true? Or is the more tightly worded sentance in the Significance section more accurate? Rich Farmbrough 00:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
*NEED TO BE ANSWERED PLEASE* I was researching this for a school project and was wondering, what where the stockmen actually killing the Aboriginals for? in a school textbook, it said that they where killed becuase an Aboriginal broke into a house and stole some food or something, (but was not from the tribe near the hut, some other tribe) so the stockmen just went and murdered the nearest tribe. i don't know if this is true, but i've looked all over the place and i just can't find a single thing. if this could be answered, that would be really helpful. Thanks, Puzzlled
The current article states "One of the jurors later told the newspaper The Australian...". The Australian was launched in 1964, so it can't have been directly told to that paper. The source just says that he was quoted in it. Billwilson5060 (talk) 18:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"They found many charred bones, with pieces of at least twenty different skulls, and other identifiable skeletal remains in numbers enough for Day to conclude that at least twenty-seven people had been killed there, three survived."
"Three survived" is a completely separate and independent sentence. It has a subject - "Three" (meaning "three people") and a verb- "survived". It is an important sentence which contains considerable impact because these three people were presumably able to witness.
Why has the writer of this sentence tagged it on, with nothing more than a comma, to a long sentence about the discovery of the charred remains? Is the writer telling us that the three survivors were still there, to be found among the remains, all those weeks later? The information about the survivors needs to go into the article somewhere! But not at the point at which you describe the finding of the bones. Amandajm (talk) 11:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of questions on this page reflect confusion caused by the persistent vandalism of the page. If something is unclear or ambiguous, it is probably a result of this vandalism. Please be bold in improving this entry's issues. DBaba (talk) 19:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SOMEONE please block this IP: 124.183.249.248 ← that IP has vandalized this page numerous times, and I can't keep on undoing them forever.... That would be much appreciated, thanks. WikiTome (talk) 10:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi WL Ross
Happy to discuss any of the issues you have with Myall Creek.
One small point to begin with, Bruce Elder is predominately a travel journalist. trying to hide this fact appears to be an attempt to beef up his "credentials" to give his point of view more weight.
There are several factual errors in this article that you seem determined to maintain.
Bill — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.200.169.159 (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC) (Transcribed from User Talk:WLRoss)[reply]
It would be good if someone could add an explanation of the legal status of the second trial. Was the first trial ruled a nullity by an appelate court? Did the legal system of the colony permit multiple trials for the same offence? Or, as the article currently hints in referring to "additional charges" but does not say explicitly say, was the second trial for different offenses? If so, how were they different? Was the first trial perhaps for the murder of a subset of the victims, the second trial for others?Bill (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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While I don't necessarily personally disagree with content the 'Reasons and consequences' section, it have a number of problems. First there is already a section titled 'Consequences'. How is this one different. But more importantly, it reads like a personal essay. Most of it is unsourced, except for a single line that has over a dozen sources, which is a red-flag that the section is WP:OR. Also, most of the section isn't about this massacre, but massacres of Aborigines generally, and history of the dispossession of their land, which seems to me belongs in a separate article. Ashmoo (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I think the following sentence is a bit too long and unclear; could someone take a crack at making it more clear?
"A group of eleven stockmen, consisting of assigned convicts and former convicts, ten of them white Europeans, the 11th, John Johnstone, a black African, led by John Henry Fleming, who was from Mungie Bundie Run near Moree, arrived at Henry Dangar's Myall Creek station in New England on 9 June 1838."
Cheers Unibrow69420 (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
