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1 GA Review  
93 comments  


1.1  14 March comments  



1.1.1  Personal life  







1.2  NPOV/Tone issues  





1.3  Continuation of review  





1.4  Notes from off-wiki discussion, 16 March 2010  





1.5  Personal Life  





1.6  General comment re. referencing  





1.7  Arbitrary section break inexplicably entitled Sausages  





1.8  GA Checklist  
















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< Talk:Nicol David

GA Review

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Starting review, per off-wiki chats on improvements; in progress.

14 March comments

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NPOV/Tone issues

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I have changed most of the career details to past-tense, per discussions.

I am now concerned that some parts are not conforming to a neutral point-of-view. To try and explain, I will show some examples below, from "2000–2004: Early professional career";

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Nicol joined WISPA and turned professional in 2000; she quickly[neutralityisdisputed] won her first WISPA tour title.

[...]

In 2001, Nicol, who has played under Dunlop Sport sponsorship for most of her junior career and burgeoning[neutralityisdisputed] WISPA career, signed a two-year deal to play with Head rackets with major[neutralityisdisputed] local conglomerate Mulpha Sports. In July, Nicol won the World Junior title for a second time. She earned her second title by easily[neutralityisdisputed] beating Omneya Abdel Kawy in just 17 minutes with a score of 9–2, 9–4 and 9–2 in the final.

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I hope that the above illustrates the problems. Perhaps you could work through the article, trying to remove non-neutral wording; if necessary, I can highlight all of the specific problem areas, but I thought at first, if I explained the problem, you might be able to work on the neutrality prior to my re-checking.

I will continue to review other aspects of the article in the meantime.  Chzz  ►  23:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done but need some rechecking Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Continuation of review

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(moved down from above, as only remaining outstanding comment)

How should I write it out? Can you provide example? (2) means she wins it (the award) for the 2nd time, (3) for third time and so on. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 11:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking, at the time, of;

...etc.

However, having looked again, I really don't think that it is necessary at all. It is obviously five years in a row, so I see no need for the extra in brackets. Also, thinking more, perhaps the repetition is entirely unnecessary. Do we need to separate 'WISPA' and 'other awards' at all? Could it not be written in prose, rather than bullets - for example;

Nicole has obtained the WISPA Awards Player of the Year on five consecutive occasions, from 2005 until 2009.

...and then combining it into 'other awards', possibly re-titled just 'awards'?  Chzz  ►  00:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Added some text about WISPA awards on the "Awards and recognition" section; added succession box on the award at the bottom of the page. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Added references on Tun Abdullah being a Penagite. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notes from off-wiki discussion, 16 March 2010

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Some of these issues may have been resolved already - if so, please mark them off.

 Done for [1], others are still  On hold since I would not be here for a few days. In the meantime it would be great if someone can help to do some for me. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
no No action I've checked the references and I think there's nothing wrong with the date being in bracket or not. The date will automatically be in bracket if there is/are author/s. I don't know, maybe you should ask someone to tweak the {{cite}} template? Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 On hold Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Possible I can't see any references on tennis GA biographies as well but will possibly add references to it anyway. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life

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Nicol is the Chindian daughter of Ann Marie David, a retired Malaysian Chinese school teacher, and Desmond David, a Malaysian Indian engineer,[19] who is also a former state athlete and footballer.[18][20]

 Done Removed Chindian. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's "state athlete" and not "star athlete" and I don't see "state athlete" as non-neutral. Well, Penang is a state in Malaysia, and I think the usage of "state athlete" in this case is acceptable. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She has two sisters, Lianne Marie and Cheryl Therese,[21]

 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a youngster, Nicol enjoyed reading,

 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Will be done  Later since I won't be active on wiki for a few days. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

General comment re. referencing

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The section "Awards and recognition" begins with this paragraph;

On June 7, 2008, Nicol David was honoured with the Order of Merit (Darjah Bakti) or D.B. in conjunction with the birthday of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin. She was the first recipient of the award which was established on June 26, 1975. The award is limited to 10 recipients who have made significant contributions in the arts, sciences and the humanities.[24][25]

In this paragraph, there are three sentences, and many facts - but there are only two references at the end of the paragraph. This makes it difficult to see which sources support which facts. For the article to be classed as a 'good article', I have to ensure that it is 'factually accurate'. To do so, I need to check which parts are referenced from which source. As shown in the comments for the previous section, currently there are statements of fact that lack sources.

 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 13:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Therefore, please could you carefully check through the article, and ensure that the referencing is valid.

I am also concerned that some of the sources may not be reliable sources. For example, squashweb.com here does not look like a "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" - perhaps these are acceptable as trusted RS within the world of squash; I'm not sure. I'm asking on RSN, here - let's see what they say about that.

 Done Removed references from squashweb.com Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 14:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the meantime, if you could address the other issues, that would be great.

I have not looked in detail at the lede section at this stage, simply because, as a summary of the whole article, I like to address the lede last.

Also, I have not yet worked on improvements to the grammar, because I want to know that the information is well sourced first.

Best,  Chzz  ►  04:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 On hold I need to put this on hold for a while. Will start working on it within a week time. Any help would be most welcome. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem; please let me know when to come back to it; thanks,  Chzz  ►  04:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 14:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

From ref no. 19? "about the world number one squash player who is also half-Chinese." Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Accepted, thanks

 Done

 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(rest of this section looks OK, but could do with improvement to the prose; I can do that, perhaps, once that last fact is sorted out)

Awards and recognition

Changed back to Yang di-Pertua Negeri since Tun Abbas is only the head of the Penang state not the whole country. Agong is for the head of country. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pre–2000: Junior years

 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 12:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitrary section break inexplicably entitled Sausages

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 Done "Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin" changed to "His Majesty Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin" and "of the Penang Yang di-Pertua Negeri Tun Abdul Rahman Abbas" changed to "of the Penang State Governor Tun Abdul Rahman Abbas." Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 11:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't get any additional description from the image, so I removed it Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Rephrased Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Rephrased Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Change to "twenty one". Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to "Nicol ended the year on a low". Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 20:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To indicate the number of title; other GA article eg Juan Martin del Potro and Leander Paes also did that. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate further? I cant understand it. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 20:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Screendump here  Chzz  ►  08:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Removed Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Chzz  ►  09:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Checklist

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1. Well-written:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable:

(c) it contains no original research.

3. Broad in its coverage:

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day-to-day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:

This article has passed the GA review process, and I will promote it to GA status --  Chzz  ►  13:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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