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Some alchemists (e.g. Paracelsus) adopted the Hermetic Qabalah assignment between the 7 vital organs and the 7 Classical planets as follows:^[1]

- Benjamin Franklin 75.74.130.115 (talk) 16:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This may very well be relevant to the article, but I would need a proper source to add anything like this. Do you have a link to a secondary source? -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 18:10, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Currently a redirect to this page. See view stats: [1] Best, Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 19:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The current arrangement makes sense to me. An article entitled "Organ" would be fine, except that the Organ (musical instrument) is fairly popular, and it shows respect for other uses of "Organ" to call this article "Organ (anatomy)."— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

However it is far less popular (fixed link to page view count [2]) Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 05:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• SupportasCFCF states organ (anatomy) receives more views, which implies more readers would be searching for it. I also think the organ is the primary term rather than the instrument. That said before this is moved this may require wider participation via requested moves (Note - I mainly edit anatomy articles so may have a skewed view). --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Organ (anatomy) → Organ – Primary topic as suggested by CFCF and and supported by Tom (LT). Link to pageviews in previous section. Iztwoz (talk) 16:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, based on the "long-term significance" aspect of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, where Organ (music) also has a comparable long-term significance to Organ (anatomy). There is also probably a good reason reason why Organ (music) is currently listed first on Organ.[3] Several dictionaries also list the musical instrument definition first.[4][5] Furthermore, the page view counts could be heavily skewed due to recent news spikes, especially during disasters when there are pleas for organ donors, among other recent news. Or because more recent college students want to study anatomy/biology instead of music. But just like Apple (the example cited in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC), recent traffic due to recent trends may not neccarily override long-term significance. Zzyzx11 (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Per User:Zzyzx11._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: as a frequent disambiguator of this term, a substantial majority of instances linked in Wikipedia are for the musical instrument. bd2412 T 02:02, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: A much stronger case could be made to move Cell (biology)toCell; virtually all disambiguation fixes for "cell" are to the biological term. bd2412 T 17:41, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – page views are not a compelling reason to determine a primary topic. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – both uses go back to the Ancient Greek "that with which one works", as in a tool. The two chief uses were musical and surgical instruments, from the latter arose the anatomical meaning. See the OED second edition. Music therefore has a slight historical edge. In current usage I am certain that it depends upon an inquirer's background and recent experiences. There is no primary topic, keep the disambiguation page "Organ". What would be an improvement is adding the etymology on the "Organ" page given its use for two superficially unrelated meanings. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Martin of Sheffield makes a good point. I support retaining the disambiguation page.--Tom (LT) (talk) 10:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also like to point out that although the word for the musical instrument may (??) have preceded our English word for the structural unit, the concept of a localised functional unit (named, eaten, used for divination, etc.) far precedes our invention of the instrument. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Certainly the instrument in its modern form, but the ancient Greeks used ὄργανον for a musical instrument. See Wiktionary:organ. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:13, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - per Zzyzx11 and bd2412. I'm unconvinced that this is the primary topic. Guettarda (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The instrument is just as primary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe it would be nice to devote a paragraph or two on the topic of vestigial organs. Kalimi (talk) 02:55, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]