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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
Certainly passed.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
The large majority of this article are from academic sources.
This article is close to passing all GA criteria, but I have some slight concerns with two of these criteria, which is possible complications. and plagiarism/direct copies from the sources to the article.
That's my assessment. This is based on my quick review of the article - please note that I will probably miss some of them. I don't give any suggestions regarding the GA, it will be done by LightandDark2000. MarioJump83!03:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if it's accurate to say it's an oscillation? The article states instead: The PMM appears to be mainly a consequence of stochastic (random) climate forcing in the extratropics. A lot of these stochastic modes of variability used to be called oscillations, but no evidence of dominant frequencies / cyclicity was found, leading to an awkward name (have been reading about the Atlantic multidecadal oscillation recently, where current evidence does not support internal cyclic behaviour). I checked the source by Stuecker, which consistently calls it a mode, which is a term encompassing both stochastic and oscillatory modes of variability. The Amaya source doesn't call it an oscillation either. FemkeMilene (talk) 20:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC). The definition of a[reply]
The Pacific Meridional Mode is a form of coupled variability between the latitude of the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) and north-south sea surface temperature (SST) gradients in the subtropical Pacific Ocean -> Don't understand. How can something be a variability between a place and a gradient?
not sure about glossing decadal as 10-year, as that implies an 'exact' frequency, instead of a broad range of frequencies. Maybe tens of years instead?
The second sentence will be easier to understand if you focus either on the positive or negative phase. It's positive phase is characterised by weaker trade winds in the north-east Pacific ..., and visa versa for its negative phase
I don't think it would, considering you end the sentence with visa versa (or the reverse). I don't have the mental capacity to follow these sentences as you need to remember that positive came first for another three effects. And I've probably got more experience reading these type of sentences than most of our readers. FemkeMilene (talk) 11:04, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The PMM is not the same thing as the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is it necessary to say this? I'm assuming this article will mostly be read by postgraduates that now and so is a tropical oscillation.
Agree with not assuming readership too much. For the people that don't quite know what ENSO is, would they jump to the conclusion they are the same? If you mention how they are related, you already state they are not the same, so I maintain this is redundant. FemkeMilene (talk) 11:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't assume that people will read it that way. And I am sure I've seen publications which specifically differentiate between the two. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article uses to many lists. The last list element of the triggers section seems to be an effect rather than a trigger: Simon Wang, Jiang and Fosu (2015) proposed that ENSO triggering can occur through an Indian Ocean-West Pacific-PMM route, but the mechanism is unclear
I see, but I don't think these things lend themselves well to a prose only presentation unless 2021 sees additional sources published with which some of the dot points can be expanded to paragraph length. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The PMM can induce mainly warm events -> The PMM induces mainly warm events
I'm not saying they know; but I don't think Modoki El Nino is a familiar phrase at all, so I feel it's the introduction of jargon that's not used further in the article. FemkeMilene (talk) 11:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tuo, Yu and Hu (2019) discovered that PPM modulated the activity of mesoscale ocean eddies in the South China Sea, and its southern hemisphere equivalent,[54] until 2004 when the relationship largely ceased -> are statistical flukes due? That list is already quite long.
Aye, I am pretty sure this one is comprehensive. The main reason I am sending it to GA rather than FA is because a lot of the sources are "hey, I found a PMM teleconnection!" rather than review articles; that's why there is so much in-text attribution and I am not sure if either is OK at FA level - none of the FAs I've written is sourced like this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will also review this article. In addition, I will try to grab one of the other senior editors with more of a background in meteorology (such as Hurricane Noah) to ensure that this article is accurate and comprehensive in coverage. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try review this article next weekend, when I have more time. Anyway, I'm glad to see that one of the other reviewers feels that this article is quite comprehensive. I always look for comprehensive coverage and solid writing, even in GA candidates. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:10, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
associated with PMM are: Change "with PMM" to "with the PMM".
"Tropical cyclone" should be lowercase.
2013–2015 North Pacific marine heatwave The link for this phrase is very problematic, and must be corrected. It currently links to "The Blob", a 1958 film, which is completely unrelated to the subject matter at hand. I assume that the intended target is The Blob (Pacific Ocean)? If so, please correct the link.
induce anticyclonic atmospheric circulation anomalies over China characterized by descending air over eastern and ascending air over northern China.. This phrase has two problems. It is a run-on, and it is also confusing in part of the sentence. Add a comma after "anomalies over China", and change "over eastern" to "over eastern China".
while during summer low atmospheric pressure over the northern and high atmospheric pressure over the eastern United States favour precipitation in the Midwest. Another phrase with run-on and ambiguity issues. Change to "while during the summer, low atmospheric pressure over the northern United States and high atmospheric pressure over the eastern United States favor precipitation in the Midwest." Also, link "northern United States" to Northern United States, link "eastern United States" to Eastern United States, and link "Midwest" to Midwestern United States.
Amazonian South America and PMM. Change "and PMM" to "and the PMM."
Bolivian climate and PMM. Change "and PMM" to "and the PMM".
ENSO variability by the PMM Add a comma after "the PMM".
and westerly wind bursts and also modulate sub-surface ocean heat content associated with El Niño development. This is another run-on. Add a comma after "wind bursts".
They further suggest PMM might influence the seasonality of El Niño events, as PMM events occur mainly during spring. Change to "They further suggested that the PMM might influence the the seasonality of El Niño events, as PMM events occur mainly during the spring."
between west Pacific accumulated cyclone energy and PMM.There are a few problems here. Change "west Pacific" to "West Pacific", for consistency. Add "(ACE)" after "accumulated cyclone energy", since this is a common abbreviation for this term. And also change "PMM" to "the PMM."
The earliest typhoon genesis is also earlier Change "is also earlier" to "also occurs earlier".
not by the eastern subtropical Pacific, Change to "by the eastern subtropical Pacific manifestation".
Atlantic Meridional Mode This subject does not have an article and is currently a red link. Unless it will get an article in the near future, it should be unlinked.
Liguori and Lorenzo (2018) proposed the effect would become noticeable by 2020. I won't require this for a GA promotion, but since it's currently 2021, has this prediction been verified yet? I think it would be a good thing for readers to know.
during the few decades preceding 2020 and according to Liguori and Lorenzo (2018) may explain an increase in ENSO activity until 2100, This is a run-on. Change to "during the few decades preceding 2020, and according to Liguori and Lorenzo (2018), may explain an increase in ENSO activity until 2100,".
Change『2015-2016 El Niño』to 2014–16 El Niño event. You can link directly to the article.
delaying the onset of warming there. What kind of warming? Oceanic warming? I assume that this phrase refers to oceanic warming. Please be more specific here.
the onset of Central Pacific El Niño events Add a comma after "events", before the reference tag.
the increasing trend to central Pacific El Niño events Change "increasing trend to" to "increasing trend of".
I won't require this change for a GA promotion, but since this article is very technical in nature, I think that it could use some more images and/or diagrams. It would really help the readers who aren't professional meteorologists.
These are all of the issues that I have identified. While the article is quite comprehensive and well-written, there are a handful of issues that need to be resolved before it can be promoted to GA status, including an severe hyperlink issue. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 23:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to red link policy, red links should be present only if new articles will be created for those subjects. If new articles will be created for those topics in the near future, then I guess I can tolerate them. Otherwise, I think that this article is ready. I also got an informal review from Hurricane Noah off-wiki, and he believes that the article does not have any major issues. I'll let MarioJump83 make the call to promote this article, since he was the original reviewer. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 03:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MarioJump83 Can you tick off above that there is no plagiarism or copyvio? I did not find any on a quick look with the Earwig tool. If not can you explain any concern or question? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is no much other than this article passes the 3b criteria since the first assessment, so I don't have any comments other than this passes for GA. MarioJump83!03:54, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
More graphics might make this easier to understand[edit]
As someone who has never heard of the subject before I found this article very encyclopedic but rather hard to understand. I wonder if more graphics, or even an animated graphic, might help.
@Chidgk1:A lot more graphs would certainly help, but we'd need some pretty precise ideas as to what they would show. Which questions would in your opinion be best answered by a graph? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Please correct me if I have misunderstood as I am completely new to the subject. But if I understand right this is a variation over the year, a snapshot of which is shown in the existing diagram. So how about if you ask the graphics wizkids to make an animation showing how it "develops during the winter months and spreads southwestward towards the equator and the central and western Pacific during spring" as you descrbe? Presumably they would just need to vary the direction and length of the wind arrows and the color of the sea under your instructions? And the animation would name the changing months of the year. Also when I first glanced at the diagram I thought the arrows were the actual wind speed - but now if I understand right they are a variation on the average wind? I had to look up the meaning of "regression pattern" but I am not sure how to best describe that so people understand. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good understanding. I haven't seen a source that shows a graphical progression, though, so I am not sure whether someone could make a graphic. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is a queue of requests for the graphics wizards so it may take a while. But once they are on the case I have found them very good. I did not find anything very close but there are a couple of existing animations which you might refer to when explaining what is needed (see right) NASA Finds 2011 Ninth-Warmest Year on Record (hd video) and Wind vectors and monthly average CO2 concentrations in 2003 and there are a lot of video diagrams on Wikimedia and UK Met Office on Youtube. As you have such a good understanding of the subject I am sure with the aid of the article and perhaps a few rough sketches you could explain what might be useful. When you say "and the reverse during its negative state" is that simply a matter of reversing the arrows and colors on the diagram? If you are going for FA in future I think it would be worth a try. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect by the time the animators have done their stuff the result will be sufficiently different from the template images for copyright not to be a problem. When the final version is put on Wikimedia Commons it could be described as "adapted from ....." in order to credit them. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
