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Talk:Pannonian Avars

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In the article it is mentioned that the Göktürks had called the European Avars also Varchonites (?). I'm not sure what is the source of this or what is the etymology of the exonym, however, it sounds suspiciously similar to the Slavic вьрхонити, which literally means "mountaineers" and figuratively - "people of high heritage" (stemming from varch < vьrхъ). Coincidently, the Caucasian name Avars has exactly the same meaning, i.e. "people of high heritage" or more literally - "mountaineers". On this account, is it possible the names of the Caucasian and the Pannonian Avars to have the same semantics?

The map is very very wrong as it shows Illyricum also in the areas of Greece 46.199.6.116 (talk) 13:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone find something on the etymology of Avar? What with the alleged love for gold and hoarding of Huns and Avars, an exonym from avarus immediately comes to mind. I couldn't find anything about that though. In fact, I couldn't find any etymology ideas for Avar whatsoever. Giray Altay (talk) 13:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These are really the Pseudo Avars not Pannonian Avars. Before Wikipedia popularised the term Pannonia Avars to distinguish them from Caucasian Avars and Juan Juan, the academic term was always Pseudo Avars or simply Avars if there was no need to distinguish them from Caucasian Avars. Their realm was much greater than Pannonia which was really only the western part of their realm. 149.50.160.94 (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]