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• The jazz standard PavanebyEumir Deodato

Can anybody confirm if this exists? A web search reveals that Deodato did a jazz version of the Ravel Pavane pour une Infante Defunte, but I can't find any mention of a jazz standard called "Pavane".

Insouciance 21:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've now removed that jazz standard bullet-point since nobody can confirm its veracity.

Insouciance 16:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignmentbyPrimeBOT (talk) 06:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for entering this without any prior discussion. If anyone has any comments, please direct them to me. Ck lostsword 20:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't much here and what is here is not well researched. 75.48.8.33 (talk) 23:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article says it is a 15th century form which first appeared in 1508. Is this self-contradictory? --Farzaneh (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article says it is a 16th century dance, which is perfectly consistent with it first appearing in 1508. It does, however, also say that it bears a certain resemblance to the basse danse, which was popular in the 15th century. I think this must be the source of your confusion.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes of course. --Farzaneh (talk) 01:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome, I feel very small questioning Alan Brown's research, but does he really give such a precise date for the appearance of the pavane? I mean (at the risk of being weaselly) wouldn't it be better to write ",,,around 1508", or "... first documented in 1508"? Nick Michael (talk) 08:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Joan Ambrosio Dalza's Intabolatura de lauto libro quarto, which Brown cites as containing the earliest extant example, was published in Venice by Petrucci in 1508 (not "around" 1508). It might be more accurate to specify that this is merely the earliest example known to exist, since that is what Brown actually says—not that Dalza actually invented the dance in that year, all by himself.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. A bit clunky, but perhaps other editors can find a more elegant way of expressing the same thing.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's perfect, many thanks and long life to you! Nick Michael (talk) 21:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be nice if the 1508 mention is labeled as music only... there is no choreography in 1508. Greg (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A perfect example of the arrogance of musicians, thinking that dance music exists independent of choreography! My fault, I see, and I have now corrected it.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 02:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]