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Table of contents? Koro Neil (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from Rundata, inscriptions to be checked for pertho:

Sm 119 M ia=rnsto=rp 
Vg 86 M pætær * girthi mik 
Vg 129 M (æ)skil : læt st(i)n : th(æ)--- -(p)ris---(i)su(i)thurs---rasi---(u)------m * i(o)=nipris(th)fil--th(i)(s)p--r(th)us --tti thim : til r(o) : 
Vg 207 U futharkgw ******** hnijïp(z)... **** tbeml(ñ)(o)d ****** 
Vg 241 M (p)nm(u)ninth(p)hh 
Vg 269 $M §A b(æ)(t)a ÷ pa-iæ(a)-ia... §B ...-ibot------r--(a) 
G 9 †M §P [...k : stulpa : a(k)s nano...] §Q [...k : stulpa : afs-n-] 
G 44 †M [+ akopk : liat : kira ...nabu : than : sum : bithin : furir : imiana : itin : balir : -ni : runa : atbik : botuithi : -uli :] 
G 49 †$M §A [-i--in ÷ fyrir ÷ nikulasa ÷ sial] §B [it(o) uiki pas---] 
G 139 M §A si up at a=uhun : run §B ... §C ... 
G 148 M thioki * kaupi * a mik
G 381 M kaupi : skrifa=dhi mik 
DR 142 M asir (o)p... 
DR 169 M thorstæin bræ... ræist runar thessar a pikisdahum ... han -af(th)i mikit gama=n af tonom um mo=rhen(e)n th(e)r 
DR M19  asur pai i lundi 
DR M20  asur pa lunti 
DR EM85;133 $M iiithiithiiiiithiipiii 
DR EM85;434A M topi 
DR AUD1998;300 M? ?th=(k)is??? ¶ po=thu (:) ?ssn 
N 75 $M r : p : k ÷ iii sss ttt iii lll 
N 164 M ---r * (o)(n) * (g)ripr * (g)unar 
N 298 M ilo u(e)n(:)r tuan thr hulf oisk ÷ ok fpkl thr t(e)k tho(g)u 
N 299 M hip--- 
N 304 M hika ihkiporh (th) 
N 355 M pati 
N 392 M loka=r fa=l loka=r sin i loka=rspo=nom 
N 511 M ...- up(l)iotr| |ræist runa=r thesar 
N 720 M palne a 
N 765 M pona 
N A1 M §A --glamar(o)--(r)(a)(i)(l)-(i)naohao(o)(g)lama=rku §B -----tha-(m)thi--pppalfai-- §C + a + imisanma=ko=u §D + agl(a) ma=ræm(i)taim(æ)r-----f(o)glama=r-- §E agla m(o)=(r)mi(t)(a)imæ + §F airia ÷ miso=n 
N A5 M §A  ÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2÷2 §B (u)(i)olkp(u)sisteiust(y)isis §C - rku=(u)snukausmælkust §D itragramalonamui(n) 
N A59 M suanpora- 
N A88 M ur(th) * * b(u)ra=p 
N A121 $M §A ÷2 ka=th(a=n=n)`n´a=th`k´m`a´a=th`k´a=thth=ththntha=thnp ÷2 §B ÷2 nkhpna=tha=thn(a=n=n)my`k´rp÷2n÷2 §C (y) + kr`k´a=thka=thth=ththynhpnra 
N A292 M ...k * misak * eth aptinako 
N B200 M §A thorkæl anpiorh(s)ta=fan §B thor(i)r §C halstæin : anpion : guna-(r)- §C gu=nnar ÷ pupahæinrækirr(-=r)(u)n 
N B205 M §A ala=rthra=fbrimum ¶ fo=lkua=rthr : a=fa=kapma=rkua=rthra=f(b)a=u(u)(f)- §B ah(e) a=f a=l=labogo=k- 
N B288 M -s(e)ta * tho=rlæifr (i)sopr 
N B293 M th=tha=l(p)i 
N B308 M (m)ynta : (e)k : myklu o=pda=r miô=th:ra=nci koma na=la
N B314 M (a)-(-)-(k)(u)nt(e)k---(æ)-(k)-(u) * a(u)thun-p * 
N B391 M mtpkrgb  iiiiiii sssssss ttttttt iiiiiii lllllll 
N B436 M -(p)pppppppppp- 
N B485 M pkn
N B647 M (f)(a)(f)(o)-o-o--o--a---th-- §B fufafefifothothathithu §C fund ÷ pund ÷ rund ÷ gund ÷ lund ÷ hind ¶ sund ÷ thond
N B652 M §A kuthion §B pan 
IS IR;149 M? §A ... ...(l)ir hlad=kerdr thorlaks dot §B ... ...ir (*) ioceip * maknus * son (*) bid * fyrir 
Br OR2 $SENTIDA (n) (u)(k)(f) <(l)/(m)>(p)i-ii 

most of these are medieval (post-Younger-Futark) inscriptions, but some should be checked as they look old, especially

N 75 $M r : p : k ÷ iii sss ttt iii lll 
N B391 M mtpkrgb  iiiiiii sssssss ttttttt iiiiiii lllllll 

in rows:

Ög 178 $U [* tuwatuwa * futharkgw : hnijïpzs : tbemlñod]
Vg 207 U futharkgw ******** hnijïp(z)... **** tbeml(ñ)(o)d ******
Nä 10 U * (t)uwatuwa * futharkgw : hnijïpzs : tbemlñod :
Bo NIYR;7 M futhor{K}hniastbmlyøkhp : ion : a mik
G 88 U §A (f)utharkg(w)hni(j)pezstbemlñdo ? §B su(e)us

dab (ᛏ) 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't this postulate that the name is given in a form which somehow predates Grimm's *p > f, but *t > þ has happened twice? The toffart is a Germanic one, not a PIE one. Germanic *t is PIE *d or glottalised *t' (cf Greek πορδη). Koro Neil (talk) 10:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. A p in Old English is a p in Modern English. It seems to me that this "theory" has been conceived by someone who desperately needed a good laugh. Steinbach (talk) 22:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The correct translation of Peorð means a "Tanzbaum" (dancetree), a thing-tree . That is uralt traditional germanic ritual. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzlinde

A Tanzbaum is a old tree (different trees, Linde, Buche, Ahorn, Apple it is all the same) what stay in the middle of a litte village and the village people makes her fest (thanksgiving fest, Oktoberfest, Maifest, Marriage fest or others) around this tree. Sometimes it is a point for law and order. Irminsul and Donnarseiche was a Tanzbaum. -- 22:19, 20 April 2015‎ 2003:46:d35:5f4e:e4b9:763f:20e3:8d2e

Another theory out there somewhere is that it means "hearth" (heorð), with the /p/ added just because they needed to find a word that fit in there somehow. If this theory is true, the choice of peorð is as arbitrary as cweorð. However, this theory cannot explain Gothic pairþra, so at most it was a folk etymology, not a new coinage. —Soap— 18:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

it could be a chesspiece, since ferz is a word for the queen in chess. But this theory is also weak, since chess was not widely known in western Europe when runes were used, and the runic name would be much older than chess if it is ultimately the same word as ceirt . Basically, every theory has at least one weakness. —Soap— 13:04, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The word for chess-piece is ultimately borrowed from middle-eastern languages, and it's very doubtful whether Chess was known in rune-using areas by circa 500 A.D... AnonMoos (talk) 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]