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A fact from Phases of ice appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that ice in outer space is an amorphous solid, and this may be the most common phase of ice in the universe? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Phases of ice.

The result was: promotedbyRjjiii talk 06:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that there are at least 19 phases of ice, though only one is normally seen on Earth?

• Source: ^[1]

• ALT1: ... that a rare phase of ice can be present inside diamonds formed deep in the Earth's mantle?Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that iceinouter spaceisamorphous solid, and it is likely the most common phase of ice in the universe? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that one of the artificially produced phases of ice, ice XVII, could potentially be used for hydrogen storageinenvironmental technology?Source: ^[4]
• Reviewed:

Converted from a redirect by InformationToKnowledge (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

InformationToKnowledge (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article has been copied from a section in another and then expanded more that tenfold. No visible problems, good to go. I prefer ALT2. Cambalachero (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article has a lot of refs to one primary reference:

• del Rosso, Leonardo; Celli, Milva; Ulivi, Lorenzo (7 November 2016). "New porous water ice metastable at atmospheric pressure obtained by emptying a hydrogen-filled ice". Nature Communications. 7 (1): 13394.

This seems inappropriate for a short non-review source. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I didn't spot it at first because of how it and several other references were hidden behind that {{r| template, but now that I removed it to standardize reference structure, I see that the large chunk of that section is referenced to either that article, or its apparent 2017 and 2020 follow-ups from the same researchers. Clearly not ideal, but then again, this whole subject appears to have been niche enough that only a few researchers dominate the output at any given time.

Now that I completed the sequence of discovery dates in the table, this seems especially apparent: effectively, Bridgman discovered the first group of phases in the 1900s, then Whalley discovered several more in 1960s, a few more phases were discovered by various researchers in the 1970s-1990s, and then the bulk of recent discoveries appear to belong to Saltzmann and del Rosso groups. I am not sure if it's going to be easy to find many alternate references to balance out those sections. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 19:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems to contradict itself on whether the ice XI phase is hexagonal or orthorhombic. The phase diagram in the lead doesn't help, as there are two different phases labeled as ice XI. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The section on Earth has a paragraph about conflicting reports that appears to be WP:OR. That is the comparison and thus judgement of various primary references is done by a Wikipedia editor. I think the paragraph should be replaced by content from a review, eg

• Chaplin, M.F. (2024). Structure and Properties of Water in its Various States. In Encyclopedia of Water, P. Maurice (Ed.). https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1002/9781119300762.wsts0002

Johnjbarton (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dummy edits should be made to this article to link to specific versions of specific articles that were merged here. See: Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution for best practices, Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 12:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

…Kurt Vonnegut’s fictional version of Ice IX, an arrangement of water molecules packed so efficiently stable that any other water molecules it ever comes in contact with — like those in every living being on earth, instantly organize themselves into Ice IX also, leading to a chain reaction that freezes the entire world over. There could even be its own section about why the thermodynamics of this would be impossible. I think it was Cat’s Cradle where this made its appearance, but I could be wrong. 76.174.113.253 (talk) 08:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of crimes of omission, your references, required by WP:VERIFY and WP:PSTS, seem to be missing. Johnjbarton (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]