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I deleted that it was "written while the pope was alive" as it could not have been, not in finished form: in Canto 19 of the Inferno Pope Nicholas III predicts the death of Boniface, and also notes when Clement will arrive in the Bolgia of the Simoniacs. Also in Canto 27 of the Paradiso, Peter makes an oblique reference to Clement and his successor. Ellsworth00:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
that wasn't the answer to the question??? was the papal seat moved to Avigon because Clement was French and not Italian... wasn't there much debate between Italian and French cardinals about the appointment of a French pope, maybe the location followed the papacy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.198.151.129 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 10 October 2006
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot07:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
O have retrieved the recently deleted sections and entered then at
Franco-Mongol alliance; they'll need some editing there to settle ther information into place. Finally, the concise summary here should be checked that it accurately represwents the moved text. I saw no reason merely to discard carefully edited, illustrated and sourced text, simply because someone felt the subject was obver-represented here. --Wetman (talk) 02:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved a detail about the court being in Carpentras out of the introduction, as it seemed to give a minor point undue weight. I've also re-structured the Biography section, to make it more navigable. I trust that is OK with everyone. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article has this:
"(The move to Avignon) marks a point from which the decay of the strictly Catholic conception of the pope as universal bishop may be dated".
How so? I would have thought moving the papacy out of Rome would emphasize the church's univerasality, not diminish it. Is that what the source actually says? Or is it post hoc ergo propter hoc?Moonraker12 (talk) 14:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and he even prophesies that the "Holy Father" will soon be dead and sent to Hell. According to some researchers, Inferno had been published by 1313, which would make it a real prophesy and not simply a literary device inserted after the event (in the fictional frame, Dante's journey through the underworld takes place in the spring of 1300, but he began composing the poem only several years later). Dante certainly disliked Clement and saw him as an unworthy pope. Strausszek (talk) 07:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
" Bertrand de Got was actually a subject of the King of England"
No, he was actually a "subject" of the Duke of Guyenne, who happened to be the King of England, and who was vassal of the King of France for this Duchy ....
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