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Early comments[edit]

This was added to the page, and I suppose it has something to do with the "opposite of paranoia" bit at the bottom of the article, but I have no idea what it means or how it is relevant, so I am removing it and placing it here. Adam Bishop 17:38, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dear Adam, pronoia is not merely a system of provisions, it is also a language, involving the establishment of property, and to be more precise, the evolution of a type of community economics which came to the fore during the 20th century. I suggest you do a search on the noetic cafe and also The Well discussions about pronoia. Tjerefore, I'm reposting it, but leaving it open to discussion.

This should be on a separate article such as Pronoia (psychology) with a disambig. It would appear to be a different meaning to what this article is talking about (and therefore putting them in the same article doesn't make sense). —Lady Lysiŋe Ikiŋsile | Talk 17:54, 2004 Jun 30 (UTC)

• Except for the fact that Pronoia [psychology] also turns into a debate about property rights in the 21st century, along with the much vaunted, "death of distance", implosion of space, and collapse of time as we know it. I suggest we edit the article by suggesting a topic: Pronoia at the dawn of time?

It seems that pronoia, aside from being a system of provisions, took on a practical psychological role during the mid-Twentieth Century. At first various people, like John Perry Barlow (Grateful Dead) and Jules Marshall (Mediamatic), tried to attribute pronoia to an open conspiracy involving Wired Magazine. Pronoia is not merely the opposite of paranoia, but the belief that others are conspiring behind your back to help you, or the idea that the universe is a conspiracy on your behalf. The conspiracy took a turn for the worse during the nineties, when the digital elite realised they could use pronoia to steal property and provisions from technopeasants living in the third world. This ideology of "helping themselves" to land and possessions, was similar to the earlier incarnations of the pronoia system. The final straw came when a techno-peasant revolt came into being as a result of outsourcing pronoia to the fringes of society. The technopeasants, sick and tired of being landless and ignored for decades by the media, rose up in defiance of the pronoia laws.

Finally, as millions of pronoid technopeasants living in India were being marketed as "Zippies" by the new Pronoia Gentry, the landless masses in Africa found out the truth. Practitioners of Pronoia and marketers of the mainstream in America had effectively stolen the future, and would have to pay in order to use the new demographic. Zippies, otherwise known as Zen Inspired Pronoia Practitioners, rejoiced, because they realised the time was approaching when dystany would precede our destination and finally we would all be able to eat food, clothe ourselves and afford shelter and health care. http://deity.digitalzones.com

• The Outsourced Zippy and Pronoia Page http://deity.digitalzones.com

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Pronoia is the belief that everyone is for you, the reverse of paranoia.

External links pronoia.net

...pronoiars began to extract rents from the paroikoi, turning back to the old Thema system. Making the corelation that the Pronoiars where homogenous to the higher officers of the thematic system, the above would prove to be false as these did not tax soldier-tenants under there leadership. If by the statement it is meant that the Pronoiars where akin to the soldier-tenant, albeit the more prominent ones, taxing any tenant of there own (wich would prove to be a quagmire of legal ownership, considering that the military tenants would be renting land not of their own) this should be specified due to its rarety in the height of the thematic system. This system seems similar to the feudal practice of "Bookland".--Dryzen 14:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]