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The contents of the Valmet M76 page were merged into RK 62 on 1 August 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
What is source of this "RK 2000" claim and whats it's relation to the Rk 62? I don't believe that Sako would any more start manufacturing assault rifles after discontinued Rk 95 and it's last finnish (sort of) weapon manufacturer. It's almost sure that future weapon of FDF will be import of some foreign assault rifle.--81.197.218.6201:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rk 2000 was as of 2002 the project name for an update of domestic assault rifles (would apply mostly to Rk 95). You are correct in that Rk 95 is most probably the last version to be manufactured, as Rk 2000 was about adding upgrade kits or various accessories such as picatinny rails etc (and these would most probably due to budget cuts etc only see international service or be used by special jaegers in small numbers). With the possible advent of increased Finnish participation in international peacekeeping/enforcing missions would increase the need to modernize equipment further (asuniforms etc do now). Any info on Rk 2000 or what variants/customs it may lead to would as of yet border on original research and should not be included here, but to go as far as to say that there will not be any future versions (however unlikely) would be misleading. A sentence such as last major versionorlast manufactured version would probably do though. Scoo10:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that explained it. Couple pics of Rk 95 with different sights:
Please check see the way the infobox works before changing things, like "part_length" to "barrel length": the infobox is designed to take the field named "part_length" and display it is "barrel length" if this is marked as a "ranged weapon". Also please do not confuse calibre with cartridge.
Also the standard name seems to be "Rk" and not "RK".
As for the name, "7.62 RK 62" is the official (alphabet soupish) designation of the weapon by the Finnish military. The Finnish naming convention is calibre {in millimetre}, type, year adopted. Thus the MP5 in Finnish service is called 9.00 KP {KonePistooli, machine pistol} 2002, while a 122mm howitzer is called 122 H 63A. Can't really say, but I'd use Rk over RK. Scoo12:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see the designation on the Finish military site ("7.62 RK 62") so I guess it might be more accurate, but we have a slight problem now in that it seems to be more commonly known as just the "Rk 62" and that is also the article/page name so it looks a bit strange? Perhaps the intro can rather read:
"The Rk 62 (also 7.62 RK62 etc. )?
(also, don't forget to indent ":" and sign "~~~~" you comments), thanks...
Well, fellow historian, I do believe I signed ;) My above comment was not meant as criticism of your edits, rather I wanted to shed some light one the official naming convention. Your proposal for the intro is sound, it is a bit cluttered as of now. Scoo13:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I must have been confused with another discussion page where someone didn't sign their comment :)
Yes, the current intro section is a bit cluttered. You think my idea is a good one? Cool, I will change it and then we can see what it looks like, feel free to revert or modify again. --Deon Steyn07:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The proper term for the rifle is 7.62 Rk 62, as noted here. The Finnish Army is somewhat inconsistent in its approach to names when it comes to compound words. Rynnäkkökivääri is Rk, but Aliupseerikoulu is AuK. Go figure. The rifle can be called Rynnäkkökivääri m/62 or Rk m/62 too, if that isn't confusing enough. Then again, the m/xx denomination is usually seen with clothing and other such kit. What I don't know what the upgraded 1995 models should be called in English.Ruo-kone21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rk 62 doen't use the same bullet as AK 47. Check again :)
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Sure there is 7.62 RK 62 TP which has folding stock, but it certainly is not "naval version", only people i ever saw using it was Military Police NCO's and it would make sense that its used by crews of AFV's but i have no certain information for that, but for naval troops and sailors, we used regular 62's.
To quote this same article in finnish wikipedia:
Taittoperäisiä kiväärejä on käytössä pääsääntöisesti vain valmiusprikaateissa, tietyillä aselajijoukoilla kuten panssarijääkäreillä, sotilaspoliiseilla ja taisteluläheteillä, erikoisjoukoilla (LjK) sekä Suomen rauhanturvajoukoilla.
rough translation:
Folding stock rifles are used mainly by readiness brigades, certain kinds of troops like armored infranty, military police and combat messengers, special forces (paratroop) and finnish (UN) peacekeepers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.217.247 (talk) 18:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Current FDF abbreviation nomenclature uses only completely uppercase or completely lowercase abbreviations; also, rynnäkkökivääri in the name is a common noun ('assault rifle'), so there are no grounds for capitalising just the first letter. The correct abbreviation for the 7.62 rynnäkkökivääri 62is7.62 RK 62 as mentioned in all current FDF manuals (Taistelijan Opas 2013, Kevytasekäsikirja 2019 etc.); the initial historical abbreviation was 762 RK 62 (without the decimal dot), and the lowercase 7.62 rk 62 was used in between as well (eg. in Kevytasekäsikirja 2004). No FDF sources I could quickly find have ever pointed to the 7.62 Rk 62 being used. --XoravaX (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Section needs Updating! New Finnish Army Changes to create the: RK 62M
I saw a mention under the WIKI page "Equipment of the Finnish Army", that the Finnish Army was going to transition to the RK 62M. But when I came here, I found no reference to the "M" model at all.
Out on the Web, there are some very recent articles (August 2015) on this. Apparently there was a decision made by the Commander of the Finnish Army, Lieutenant General Seppo Toivonen, that the Finns would not replace their main battle rifle with a new weapon of 5.56 x 45mm (.223") NATO caliber. Instead they would "upgrade" the existing 300,000 very finely built RK 62's, and keep on with these for another 15-20 years. I read one comment that Beretta was lobbying hard for them to take their brand-new, very interesting ARX-160.
The Upgrade, as best I can figure it, is to change the outside "furniture" on the weapon, while keeping the receiver, gas mechanism, barrel, magazine, etc. (all of which are excellent!) unchanged. The outside furniture will make for a better stock, and change the top by adding a rail to accept scopes, sighting devices or other extra items, as well as a new fore-end to take attachments on the side for things like laser range finders and flashlights. The one thing I did not see mentioned was a grenade launcher attachment (usually underneath the barrel), but I did not look that deeply into this matter, and again, the ability to read Finnish would be a big help!
I will give you here one website to get you started, but with some effort and particularly with knowledge of the Finnish language, you could do much better... My problem, is that I do not speak Finnish, and I do not understand the rules for a legal reference on WIKI, that does not violate copyright protection!
Once you make the updated entry, go back to the "Equipment of the Finnish Army" page, and under the "Assault Rifles" category, put in the correct link back to this page and the new paragraph/section for the updated information on the "M" model!
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I've went ahead and merged the content because this discussion hasn't gathered much interest in 2,5 weeks and seems fairly uncontroversial to me. There wasn't much salvageable content because the M76 article was almost completely unsourced. --Pudeo (talk) 07:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC) Pudeo (talk) 07:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – While at first glance it might seem reasonable that it would be kept as a separate article - there actually is no clear division between the RK 62 and Valmet M76 as a separate entity from the RK 62, not even by the intellectual property holder of the rifle, Finnish Defence Forces, nor by the chief manufacturer and initial designer Valmet (or later Sako). FDF considers all main variants of the rifle as variants of the RK 62 - the stamped receiver variant is the RK 62 76 - and Valmet, while the most common rifle sold under the name M76 was a stamped steel .222/5.56x45 rifle in contrary to only milled variants sold under the name M62, Valmet also manufactured and sold milled receiver rifles under the commercial name M76. To all my knowledge it seems that the use of the commercial names M62 and M76 (and later M83) was completely incoherent, without any division to stamped or milled receivers. Valmet also sold the late production stamped as well as latest production milled rifles under the name M83, so there is no logic in that either. To me it would be most logical to merge the Valmet M76 article to this, and just dedicate a chapter to the stamped receiver development as well as an exhaustive list of names under which variants of the RK 62 was sold or produced. After all, FDF which owns the intellectual property to the Valmet assault rifle design, considers them as versions of the same rifle. M76 is just a commercial name to an incoherent bunch of RK 62 variants. --XoravaX (talk) 12:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge No reason to have a separate article for the M76 variant, even if some of its sub-variants are distinguished by having the 5.56 NATO caliber. There is no separate article in the Finnish Wikipedia either. --Pudeo (talk) 06:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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