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Talk:Raymond McCartney

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Could someone please provide concrete, reliable evidence that the name Raymond McCartney is Réamann Mac Carthaigh in Irish. In doing so, they should take note that this is a) English-language Wikipedia and b) the WP:IMOS suggests that Irish names be provided when these were used by the subject, and c) that the Irish-language media in Ireland does not, as a rule, back translate names, unless these enjoy some measure of common currency. They should also note that this Hogan Stand webpage[1] does not provide concrete evidence that any English-language name "A" is "B" in Irish.--Damac (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strike one, two and three as unrelated to this subject. One is addressed by WP:IMOS, two WP:IMOS dose not exclude there use, and three is just comment and opinion of editor. As is there final point, which is not numbered. --Domer48 (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As Wikipedia WP:RS rules state, "material added to articles must be directly and explicitly supported by the cited sources". The claim that "Raymond McCartney" is『Réamann Mac Carthaigh』in Irish is not directly and explicitly supported by the cited sources.

This editor is again attempting to synthesize material to demonstrate the validity of their own conclusions by citing sources that when put together serve to advance the editor's position. The sources cited do not explicitly reach the same conclusion, and therefore the editor is engaged in original research.

All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. When content in Wikipedia requires direct substantiation, the established convention is to provide an inline citation to the supporting references.

Using the source provided (http://www.hoganstand.com/general/identity/names.htm) is problematic on a number of accounts:

1. the source does not state "directly and explicitly" state that the name "Raymond McCartney" is『Réamann Mac Carthaigh』in Irish;

2. the source has not been "thoroughly vetted by the scholarly community". It has not been "published in peer-reviewed sources, and reviewed and judged acceptable scholarship by the academic journals". (WP:RS);

3. the author, "Peader Lehane, Boardsmill, County Meath and a native of Ballyvourney, County Cork", is not a recognised expert in the etymology of Irish surnames and has never published in the field;

4. provides no sources for the information it contains.

Given these considerations, Lehane's information, while interesting, represents a Self-published source. It is not reliable and cannot be used to source Irish names.--Damac (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please ask if you wish to have names referenced. Will be referenced perWP:IMOS --Domer48 (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you've completely ignored the issues I've raised above, I've decided to started a RfC on the matter.--Damac (talk) 17:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]