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Talk:Robert Hazen

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@Akrasia25: Rather than tag bombing this page, please consider reducing the number of tags to just one or two and explaining on the talk page why you added them. (See also Over-tagging.) My reactions to the tags follow:

• Cleanup - what do you mean by "duplicates like his wife"?
• Advert and Like resume - how exactly does it look like these things? I have worked on a lot of bio pages and made every effort to conform to the standards for a good bio on this page.
• The documentation for this tag says "if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article." I have already posted a COI disclosure on the talk page, so you need to do more than just repeat that information.
• More citations needed - seriously, dude?

RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved one fact about hist wife to another section. I think the other mentions are OK. Also I removed excessive tagging. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Graeme Bartlett: Thank you. I see that you left a new one - tone. Where do you see a problem? RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 03:16, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Due to using quotes to supply text. I have already redone most like that though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right about the ones you replaced. But a few well-chosen quotes can be useful for getting a sense of the person, for example, "the art of science isn't necessarily to avoid mistakes; rather, progress is often made by making mistakes as fast as possible, while avoiding making the same mistake twice." RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 04:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Graeme Bartlett: Is there anything more that needs doing before the tag can be removed? I'm just not seeing the departures from encyclopedic tone. RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 21:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GeoWriter: One of your edits comes with the comment "seems trivial - it didn't make him become a composer of concert pianist" in the subject line. Actually, in addition to his science job, he was a professional trumpet player in various orchestras for fifty years (see this link). I haven't gotten around to adding that. Does that make the childhood memory less trivial? RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 14:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That was not me, it was user:GeoWriter. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I got mixed up! I changed the ping. RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 00:15, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The quotation I removed was "His father practiced piano for hours each night, and he recalls falling asleep every night to its sound". This quotation tells the reader nothing about the effect that his father's piano playing had on Hazen's musical activities. I assume the reader is meant to assume that the effect was positive and inspirational, but I think this is an unreasonable expectation placed upon the reader. Any impact on Hazen's later life is missing from the quotation. I think for any quotation about his father's piano playing to be relevant, more context and life impact is needed, with Hazen stating something like "... and this childhood experience inspired me to become a professional trumpet player". Although mentioning Hazen's professional trumpet playing would establish his musical ability, I think this new information would not make the childhood memory less trivial if an explicit connection to the piano listening in childhood was still missing. Without any piano-listening-trumpet-playing explicit connection, the quotation merely reports an experience that many musical and non-musical children have had, which is not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. (By the way, there was a typo spelling error in my quotation removal edit summary. It should have read "... it didn't make him become a composer or concert pianist."). — GeoWriter (talk) 12:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

O.k. I don't think there is any quote that makes the connection. RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]