A fact from Rodwell–Hoskins mechanism appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 October 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and extensively sourced. Hook is interesting and cited in the article. No plagiarism detected on Earwig (some false positives though). I added ALT1, which is the same information but the wording is flipped around. qpq is done so this nom's ready. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
For a start, I would like to congratulate the contributor(s) on their general effort. I want them to be certain that no corrective comment made by myself is meant to offend them personally or diminish the importance of their contribution to the Wikipedia project. Having made that clear, we can now proceed to my comments and/or suggestions, formulated on the basis of the GA promotion criteria:
Theory, [...] attributed to the descent of air in the Hadley cell, which reduces its humidity
Comment: Seen contextually, "which reduces its humidity" feels a tad bit awkward.
May I suggest: "attributed to the descent of air in the Hadley cell, a global-scale tropical atmospheric circulation that features air rising near the equator; as a result, the air's humidity is reduced.
Theory, This descent occurs because the air is cooling through radiation and the energy loss is balanced by adiabatic heating.
Comment: In this instance, "because" strikes as somewhat simplistic, while present continuous is probably not suitable for the description of a casually recurring phenomenon.
Theory, The lack of vegetation due to the dryness increases the albedo of the ground and thus the cooling, acting as a positive feedback.
Comment: "Positive feedback" should be explained shortly, otherwise non-specialised readers shan't be able to understand the meaning of the sentence. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Theory, Air-sea coupling, in particular the upwelling of cold waters east of the subtropical anticyclones induced by their winds and the resulting impediment to convection performs the same role over the oceans
Suggestion: Explain "Air-sea coupling" and perhaps add a wikilink, also add a wikilink over "convection", for it is not one of the common physical phenomena. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Theory, However, the Hadley cell is weak during the summer months when [...] wet climates
Comment: Repetition of the conjunctive "and" should be avoided.
Suggestion: "However, the Hadley cell is weak during the summer months when the anticyclones still exist, dryness often reaches its peak in the deserts, and the latitudes of the Sahara coincide with these of wet climates." L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Theory, Mark J. Rodwell and Brian J. Hoskins in 1996 proposed that instead [...]
Comment: It would be better if the date preceded the names; it can come after them, but it would have to be done in a different way. It is certain, however, that in the sentence's current form, its components' order is problematic.
Theory, This involves similar processes as the Hadley cell theory but east–west horizontal advection modifies the energy balance, focusing descent at certain longitudes [...]
Theory, In the Rodwell and Hoskins 1996 simulation the location of the descent is controlled by orography just west of the descending region, which induce anticyclonic (clockwise) flow and thus southward movement of cold air to their east through the heating over the topography, although the direction of the mean wind modulates the longitude direction of the forcing.
Comment: It is not clear what "which induce" refers to: what are those "which" that induce?. Furthermore, this sentence is too long and it includes far too many pieces of information.
the orography anticyclonic (clockwise) flow and thus southward movement of cold air to their east through the heating over the topography, although the direction of the mean wind modulates the longitude direction of the forcing.
It feels as if a verb is missing between "cold air" and "to their east". It could be the case that this doesn't hold true, but in any case the sentence isn't comprehensible yet —some extra changes are required. L'OrfeoSon io18:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Theory, [...]eastern Mediterranean as otherwise the Indian monsoon is located too far south to induce a Rossby wave train
Comment: Comma missing before "as otherwise". The term "wave train" is not mentioned elsewhere; I reckon it means "wave chain reaction"? It is not clear, thus a short explanation has to be added. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Since the date is included in the citation, repeating it in the main body of the text impedes the flow of narration. Although I do understand this is a convention of expression, it also holds ture that『Ossó et al. 2019』is a publication, while『Ossó et al.』are a group of people. So,
Theory, Later research has indicated that the Rodwell–Hoskins mechanism can be induced by monsoons other than the Indian monsoon, for example the South American monsoon may induce subsidence in the Southeastern Pacific and western slope of the Andes, and the North Pacific High may be a product of the North American monsoon.
Comment: The sentence is too long. Repetition of the conjunctive "and" has to be avoided. The comma before "for example" is problematic, because the text that follows is a standalone sentence. The phrase "on the" is missing before the phrase "western slope".
Suggestion: "Later research has indicated that the Rodwell–Hoskins mechanism can be induced by monsoons other than the Indian monsoon. For example, the South American monsoon may induce subsidence in the Southeastern Pacific and on the western slope of the Andes; moreover, the North Pacific High may be a product of the North American monsoon. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Evidence, Other phenomena linked to the Rodwell–Hoskins mechanism are oxygen isotope variations in corals of the northern Red Sea which appear to correlate with the intensity of the Indian Monsoon,[26] the synchrony of Near East atmospheric circulation changes with the monsoon[10] and fluctuations in the intensity of the African monsoon after the onset of the Indian one which are mediated by dry air intrusions[27] and include a temporary weakening of precipitation.
Comment: This sentence is monstrous in size, spanning a whole paragraph.
Suggestion: The contributor(s) should split it to aid the flow of narration, thereby allowing the reader to understand the meaning of the text. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Implications, According to Rodwell and Hoskin 2001
Comment: In this instance, since the two scientists are the main contributors to the establishment of the theory, it would be more stylistically proper saying "According to Rodwell and Hoskins, the African monsoon..." and then citing the specific paper.
Comment: Again, this "Name Date" style feels ungrammatical when seen in the text's main body. Moreover, repeating the "Name Date" tag found in the corresponding citation is redundant.
Yes they are, but they are given as citations via the typical Wikipedia way for citing references. Seen as plain text, Enomoto 2003 recognized [...] is ungrammatical. Although I cannot find the specific Manual of Style rule for some reason, empirically speaking I don't usually come across such sentences on Wikipedia —although they are more than common in scientific journals. L'OrfeoSon io18:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Implications, Additionally, vorticity anomalies originating directly from the monsoon outflow may enter into the jet stream as Rossby waves.
Implications, Di Capua et al. 2020 noted that [...] & Wu and Shaw 2016 proposed
Comment: same as before.
Suggestion: "As stated in Di Capua et al. 2020/Wu and Shaw 2016", or "In 2020, Di Capua et al. noted that/In 2016 Wu and Shaw proposed that". L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Implications, by shifting its monsoon-related maxima
Paleoclimate, The strength of the Rodwell–Hoskins-induced descent is a function of the strength of the monsoon and climate variability impacting monsoon intensity can thus alter the descent as well.
Comment: Grammatically erroneous sentence.
Suggestion: I reckon a semicolon is to be placed between "variability" and "impacting monsoon intensity [...] as well.", i.e. "The strength of the Rodwell–Hoskins-induced descent is a function of the strength of the monsoon and climate variability; impacting monsoon intensity can thus alter the descent as well.". L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Paleoclimate, The climate effects of the Rodwell-Hoskins mechanism may have influenced oceanic climate during the existence and breakup of Pangea in the last 250 million years.
It is a lot more easy to understand now, thank you for your edit. However, I have to note that the tenses used do not match. I simplified the sentence, so that I can make it more clear:
When [they] reach, [it] may have induced, although [it] may have negated the drying.
I guess you mean "When [they] reach, [it] may induce, although [it] may negate the drying"?
Climate variability, may explain why: Teleconnections associated with the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD), in particular the development of Rossby wave trains.
Comment: "may explain why" does not match this sentence, and many of the sentences listed are also constructed in a manner that makes them irrelevant to the aforementioned "why".
Suggestion: remove the "why" from "may explain why" and the problem shall be solved for many instances. You can then modify the sentences constructed to match the "why" (e.g. the "During years where the monsoon is unusually wet [...]") accordingly.
Nice, but now you have to also modify some of the sentences so that they match the introductory phrase "The Rodwell–Hoskins effect may explain:".L'OrfeoSon io17:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Rodwell–Hoskins effect may explain: [...] *During years where the monsoon is unusually wet over Arizona, the Great Plains, Midcontinent and Pacific Northwest are unusually dry.
This sentence is grammatically erroneous.
You should make a change of this sort: The Rodwell–Hoskins effect may explain: [...] *The phenomenon in which during the years where the monsoon is unusually wet over Arizona, the Great Plains, Midcontinent and Pacific Northwest are unusually dry.L'OrfeoSon io17:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Climate variability, They may play a role in altering European climate according to Douville et al. 2000 and Gregory, Mitchell and Brady 1997
Correction: Missing "the" before "European climate" & "According to [& names]" should be placed at the start of the sentence, because it causes confusion in its current place. I would also suggest removing the date, it is redundant (see previous comment). L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative processes, [...] which is important in inducing the North Pacific High in response to the Asian and the South Atlantic High in response of the South American monsoon and are also connected to the low-level inflow of moisture into the monsoons.
[15]: sentence located in locus "2 MATERIALS AND METHODS, 2.1 Study area"; note that Moraes cites Garreaud et al. 2003, Rutllant et al. 2003 and Garreaud 2009 for substantiation. L'OrfeoSon io16:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[68]: The page provided does not totally correspond to the sentence substantiated by this citation. It seems as if the sentence is loosely connected to the text in this specific page. Maybe citing another page is required? L'OrfeoSon io16:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's A similar feature is also present in the LO2- RO2 response and may be a Rossby wave response to changes in the Indian monsoon circulation. Such waves have been iden- tified by Rodwell and Hoskins [1996Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Earwig's copyvio found up to 33.8% similarity. If I am correct in my estimate of the situation, this is due to the fact that certain scientific terms cannot be paraphrased. L'OrfeoSon io16:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus I think you should add a short sentence in the lead section referring to who Rodwell-Hoskins are/were, and when they formulated their hypothesis, even if there isn't a Wikipedia article on them yet —in that case, you might as well add red links. L'OrfeoSon io16:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting... I found their names after doing some research: One's Mark John Rodwell, a professor at the University of Reading, Department of Meteorology, the other being Brian Hoskins, who has an en.Wikipedia page translated in 3 languages and is a member of the CBE and a FRS. In the light of these discoveries, I must insist on including their names and the date when they first published the hypothesis, so as to give them all due acknowledgement. To help you, I tried to find a proper source: this one includes the label "First published", with an exact date, and also includes the names of the scientists along with their academic positions. It is the Royal Society of Meteorology, so it is trustworthy.
@Jo-Jo Eumerus, I see. In this case, you should add a picture of a characteristic feature of the theory, e.g. a monsoon, and then add a decriptive caption including how this feature is linked to the theory. In any case, since there are many pictures of such features, the article cannot be without any image. L'OrfeoSon io16:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article is new enough, long enough and extensively sourced. Hook is interesting and cited in the article. No plagiarism detected on Earwig (some false positives though). I added ALT1, which is the same information but the wording is flipped around. qpq is done so this nom's ready. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
