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Fifteen years

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I discussed this before (Talk:Rogue_One/Archive_2#Timeline) but I think it might need to be raised again

In the film Jyn clearly states that she has not seen her father in fifteen years. For a considerable amount the history of this article it said Bohdi defected fifteen years later but some editors are changing that to thirteen years for no apparent reason, which seems to contradict what Jyn says. (In the previous discussion an editor User:DonQuixote said he had not intentionally changed the figure from fifteen to thirteen but only done so accidentally while reverting other changes.) At one point an editor claimed in an edit summary that some unspecified a reference book said thirteen years, but they never attempted to clarify any further. No one has yet given good reason why it would make any sense to contradict the dialog of the film spoken by Jyn. -- 109.76.134.53 (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again editors are ignoring the dialog spoken in the film itself[1] for no apparent reason (promptly reverted[2] though, thanks). Please discuss and explain before making changes that contradict what Jyn says. -- 109.79.170.63 (talk) 03:10, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Almost all ancillary and official material, state the events in the prologue occur 13 before the main events and Jyn’s “15 years” statement is an assumption made by the character. To be specific: the novelization, junior novelization, visual guide, and Star Wars: Timelines state as such. If you want to ignore that, fine, but a note would probably be warranted. MontztheMan (talk) 08:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, Star Wars: Timelines (pgs. 128 and 129) places the prologue in “13 BBY” before the events of the Solo: A Star Wars Story prologue and after the events of Star Wars: Most Wanted (aSolo tie-in novel). The book also places the main events of Rogue One at the very end of the year “1 BBY” just before the events of A New Hope, which takes place at very beginning of the next year (pgs. 180-190). “BBY” stands for “years before the Battle of Yavin” (the one where the first Death Star is blown up). I would consider this a retcon however, so deal with that however a retcon is handled for film summaries. MontztheMan (talk) 08:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that the WP:FILMPLOT should be based on what is shown and said in the actual film itself. It was unclear why editors were attempting to contradict the primary source for no apparent reason. If based on other sources editors want to establish WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to make changes or add footnotes that would be reasonable to discuss. My personal preference would be to rephrase to avoid the very specific time reference and instead focus on essential of _the plot_ but it seemed necessary to keep it. -- 109.79.166.12 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Budget complexities

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The WP:LEAD section is supposed to summarize not supplant what is in the article body. The WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE is also to summarize the key facts of the article. Note that Template:Infobox film warns not to "cherry pick" budget figures. The article body does not yet discuss the various budget estimates that have been put forward for this film, as an encyclopedia should at least try to do. The complexities of the budget are not easily explained. Reliable sources differ, this information should be explained to readers not left out because it is inconvenient.

Caroline Reid, in February 2023 The Sunday Times reported on the UK film production tax breaks. The article explained that a production could write off "up to 25 per cent of the costs they incur in Britain" so there are at least records of how much was spent in the UK (and even then some costs are unclear as the rental cost of studio space is likely amortized across various productions) but it is highly unlikely that there were zero costs for the USA parts of the production. Caroline Reid, later wrote an article in Forbes magazine calling the Force Awakens the most expensive film ever and in that article there were graphic that specified that Rogue One had a gross total UK production cost $280.2 million (caveat: it was specified in US dollars, the UK £ sterling figures were not given, the time and rate used for currency conversion was not mentioned) and another graphic saying the net cost was $232.4 million (approximately ~20% reduction after in tax credits). Again this is only the UK production costs, and it would be strange to presume that the film had no other costs whatsoever in the US.

It might be appropriate to update the budget range to also list that higher total figure of $280.2 million that had to be spent (even if there were tax credits later, that much money still had to be spent up front) but it is not appropriate to oversimplify the intricacies of Hollywood Accounting and summarize the whole complex costs with a single figure, that is still unlikely to represent the full cost of the film. Especially not without a proper explanation in the article body. If editors again make good faith efforts to oversimplify I hope that others will restore preserve the necessary details and also eventually get around to explaining as best as possible some of the budget complexities in the article body. Budget figures are not as clear or simple as they might first seem. -- 109.76.192.96 (talk) 00:01, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


This review is transcluded from Talk:Rogue One/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 15:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Cambalachero (talk · contribs) 15:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Will continue later Cambalachero (talk) 15:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambalachero, I have answered all your concerns for improvement for now. Will improve on 94's suggestions tomorrow or after-tomorrow. Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment from an uninvolved editor: I feel like the Critical response section needs to be rewritten from scratch, as I'm seeing too many quotations (one of which is too long it should be rendered a blockquote) that could be paraphrased as well as haphazardly juxtaposed ideas; for example:

Peter Bradshaw, film critic of The Guardian said: "Rogue One doesn't really go rogue at any stage, and it isn't a pop culture event like The Force Awakens, in whose slipstream this appears; part of its charm resides in the eerie, almost dreamlike effect of continually producing familiar elements, reshuffled and reconfigured, a reaching back to the past and hinting at a preordained future. There are some truly spectacular cameos from much-loved personae, involving next-level digital effects—almost creepily exact, so that watching feels at various stages like going into a time machine, back to the 80s and 70s."[186] Mark Kermode also writing for The Guardian gave the film 4 out of 5 stars praising the diversity of the cast as "Rogue One offers a welcome reminder of sci-fi’s power to envisage worlds in which race and gender barriers do not apply". He compared the film positively to Aliens as both are sci-fi war films with a strong female lead. He also praised the cinematography of the battle scenes which he said evoked images of the Normandy landings and the Vietnam War.

While Bradshaw and Kermode belong to the same publication, their sentiments clearly differ from one another, in that the former talks about general critiques on the movie's charm, appeal, cameos, and visual effects, while the latter talks more about the diversity of the cast, comparisons to other sci-fi war movies, and achievements in cinematography. Each critic's sentiments should be placed in the relevant paragraph for thematic organization. Furthermore, I'm surprised the article doesn't touch on what the overall critical reception to the movie was. A quick google search yielded articles stating that the movie garnered generally favorable reviews from critics on release: Variety, Business Insider, TheWrap; I suggest you include this fact sourced in the article. The Business Insider and Variety articles even contain pieces of information that make for good topic sentences to expand on (paraphrased, that is):

Business Insider
Variety

As a final note, please read the WP:RECEPTION, an essay which, even though it should not be treated as a guideline nor a bright-line rule, makes a good point on how overlooked this section is on many Wikipedia articles. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy Thank ya for the additions, will look at it Wednesday or Thursday :) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I should also add that neither George Lucas's thoughts on the movie nor those non-critical reviews belong in the Critical response; they should be placed in another subsection. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is also somewhat of a drive-by comment, but if you want, I would be willing to help out with the Reception section. I've had a decent amount of experience with doing them and all too well understand the struggle of evolving it from quote and ratings-based to conveying proper commentary. @Cocobb8 If it's ok with you, I would love to assist in the Reception section while you focus on other aspects of the GAR. I'll ignore the other non-critical reviews and let you resolve them at your discretion. -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dcdiehardfan, would love your help indeed! Thanks for proposing! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will wait until that's done before closing the GAN Cambalachero (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dcdiehardfan: Thanks for offering to help the nominator, it would really make the nominator's job a little more easier. If you'd like an example for a brilliant model, the reception section in the Total Recall article provides one. Good luck on you two. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy Thank you for the help, I will definitely use that for help. @Cocobb8 And of course, my pleasure. I went ahead and did a preliminary edit and plan on parsing it out across a few edits. I'll let you know when I'm finished. -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick update, I'll get around to incorporating the other sources mentioned above by 1984 Guy soon. I would say I'm mostly done with my edits for the Reception, so feel free to do any remaining CE and other fix-ups in the meantime. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Dcdiehardfan! @Cambalachero, I am done with my other fix-ups, so let me know if there's anything else you want me to take a look at as I am leaving on a Wikibreak this Saturday.
Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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