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Talk:Royce Clayton

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A fact from Royce Clayton appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 April 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Royce Clayton (pictured) idolized Ozzie Smith, the shortstop for the St. Louis Cardinals, as an amateur and took his job as a professional? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Royce Clayton.

Also, the person to who the Jorge Sanchez link in the article leads may not be the right person, since their article does not mention acting or that movie. --DAW0001 (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The result was: promotedbySL93 (talk) 23:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Royce Clayton warming up

• ... that Royce Clayton (pictured) idolized Ozzie Smith, the shortstop for the St. Louis Cardinals, as an amateur and took his job as a professional? Source: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that Royce Clayton (pictured) portrayed fellow shortstop Miguel Tejada in the 2011 film Moneyball? Source: [2]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nintendo Switch Sports
  • Comment: This began at 2396 B and is now over 12kb 17kb. If DYKcheck doesn't recognize it, it's likely because of this vandalism.
  • Now passed as a GA. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 19:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

• I will review this.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Overall: TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC) Good to go-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Royce Clayton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 16:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'll be reviewing this article to help reduce the backlog and gain points for the WikiCup. Although QPQ is by no means required, if you fancy returning the favor, I have a list of articles in need of review here.

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. noWP:OR () 2d. noWP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Middle name needs a reference (you wouldn't believe the edit warring that occurs without one)
  • I am aware from personal experience that people can screw around with middle names, but I don't see Clayton's middle name as Wikipedia:Likely to be challenged. All of the external links (MLB.com, Fangraphs, Baseball Reference) show his middle name as "Spencer". – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "where he succeeded childhood idol Ozzie Smith"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "and pursued variousormultiple business ventures"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "and raised in Inglewood, California" → "and was raised in Inglewood"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "and switched to playing shortstop" → "and switched to playing that position"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Period where there should be a comma after "St. Bernard High School"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "which Smith was known for" → "something which Smith was known to do"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• The link on "letter of intent" should be piped to National Letter of Intent, as currently it links to a non-athletics contract
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "to play" → "and play"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Switch the order of sentences to clarify that his .513 average is from his senior year of high school, not college
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Broadly, every level 3 subhead in this section would do well to have a date range after the team name for signposting
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Class A-Short Season" → "Class A Short Season" to avoid redirect in/for consistency with the link
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comma after "Clayton struggled initially"
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• The sentence beginning Starting the 1989 season is very long and can probably be split into two
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "33 steals" → "33 stolen bases"
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "and Shreveport won the Texas League championship" → "helping Shreveport to the Texas League championship in the process"
  • Done (helping Shreveport win the Texas League championship). – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Two paragraphs in a row begin with "After"; recommend changing the one about his salary, as that one reads slightly more awkwardly
  • How's this? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Link first instance of National League
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Kind of jumped out of nowhere that Smith was still on the roster, could use more signposting
  • I left out the detail that the Cardinals had tried to sign two free agent shortstops before trading for Clayton. Will add. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added that Ozzie had a perpetuating contract, that Greg Gagne and Walt Weiss passed on signing with the Cards because they didn't want the sideshow, and also more on why the Giants would trade Clayton (Aurilia, failing to come to terms on an extension). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "LaRussa" → "La Russa" throughout
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "LaRussa gave the starting role to Clayton. LaRussa gave Clayton the majority of the playing time." → "La Russa gave Clayton the starting role and the majority of playing time."
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "Cardinals' fans" → "Cardinals fans"
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• And what were those numbers of RBI and XBH?
  • Added – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• End sentence after "that nearly came to blows"
• "after Curtis insisted on turning off rap music that Clayton was playing whose lyrics Curtis objected to." → "Curtis objected to the lyrical content of the rap music Clayton was playing in the room and insisted on turning off the player."
  • That's the one piece of text from before my expansion that I forgot to touch. I think I'll tackle that part tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk)
  • Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "contract to be their new shortstop"
  • D'oh. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Link "errors" to Error (baseball)
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "Clayton struggled offensively"
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• " who acquired him to have him serve"
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Expand on retirement stats beyond hits and stolen bases. I'd include homers, RBIs, and maybe some defensive stats like fielding percentage, putouts, double players, errors, etc.
  • The reason that's all I had is because he's not the kind of player to have too many retrospectives, it seems. Those were the only stats Crasnick gave. I'll see what else I can find, or I'll improvise with B-Ref. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found and used this Perfect Game source for his BA and HR totals. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:38, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Split paragraphs differently so that one is on his coaching career (Little League & high school) and one is on his business investments
  • Done – Muboshgu (talk) 05:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Clayton credited Davies with teaching him to keep his legs in condition with the longevity of his baseball career double "with" creates confusing syntax
  • Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "It was a speaking part" is redundant with the next sentence
  • Removed – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Los Angeles Times is sometimes included with a preliminary The, sometimes not; for consistency with our article, it shouldn't have one
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "ESPN.com" is in the publisher parameter in [83] but is used as "work" elsewhere
  • Not sure which option is best, but right now they're all in "website". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• [93] is missing a work
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove the ".com" in Ventura County Star.com in [98]
  • Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Images are properly licensed and relevant
• No stability concerns in the revision history
• Earwig score looks good; high numbers are due to proper nouns

Putting on hold to allow nominator to address comments. Please feel free to ping me with questions, and let me know when you're finished! — GhostRiver 17:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting to me to see what little things I missed in my expansion. I'll probably be finished with this tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GhostRiver, I believe I've addressed all points. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All of my comments have been addressed, happy to pass! — GhostRiver 19:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]