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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Support per WP:COMMONNAME - specifically "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources". Should also note that the Cincinnati Reds official roster has "Shin-Soo Choo". Trut-h-urts man (talk) 04:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
NB. I'd suggest WP:RM/TR for moves over hyphen redirects for these 4x articles Cha-Seung Baek, Jae-Kuk Ryu, Jae-Weong Seo, Chan-Ho Park for clarity for American readers and indeed Korean-speakers reading in English, at the moment these names fail WP:PRECISION between 백차승 vs. 차승백 etc. Impossible to tell which is surname without the hyphen that, given baseball context, means it could be either order. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is the English Wikipedia, not the Korean Wikipedia. I'm sure that this individual should be named the Korean language equivalent of "Choo Shin-Soo" on the Korean wiki, and should be listed as "Shin-Soo Choo" on the English wiki, as this is the only way I've ever seen him referred to in English sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support – User who moved it claims that "he was born in Korea, raised in Korea, and spent most of his life in Korea" and therefore his surname should go first. This is false. WP should be following the common name of a player, which means the one he is commonly referred to in English. MLB.com refers to Choo with his surname last, just like it does with Chan Ho Park, Byung-Hyun Kim and Ichiro Suzuki (and not Suzuki Ichiro as it is in Japanese). —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I thought I already commented here, but that may have been the James Loney discussion, they all run together. Anyway, per the rationale above, I support the move back to the original title. GoPhightins!03:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Wow. You people (Eurocentrists) are quite amazing. Apparently, you believe the "English" language exists only in NA and Europe. Check this article written in English. [1]
That's the only requirement, correct? Any English paper written in East Asia will refer to him Choo Shin-soo. Ducati748 (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose move.WP:Naming conventions (Korean) states that "If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized"; in this particular case, "Shin-Soo Choo" is the established English spelling, so that clause does not apply. O.N.R.(talk)19:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. While I understand 162's reasoning that MLB.com, ESPN.com, and other similar sources have Choo's name capitalized as "Shin-Soo," those same sources do the exact same thing with other South Korean players' names (such as Ji-man Choi and Hyun-jin Ryu), yet as we can see, those articles' titles are capitalized the exact same way that Sawol proposes this one to be. In fact, looking through Category:South Korean expatriate baseball players in the United States, this article is the only case of a player in that category with a hyphenated given name having the first letter of the second part of his name capitalized. Also, I disagree with ONR's interpretation of WP:Naming conventions (Korean)#Given name, because this is a question of capitalization, not spelling. "Shin-soo" and "Shin-Soo" are the same spelling, but different capitalization, and "Shin-soo" is the capitalization that better follows MOS:CAPS. --Zander251 (talk) 01:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Choi's article, it appears that Sawol was simply trying to follow WP:NC-KO, as stated in the explanation for the move. In the case of Ryu's article, the move discussion was primarily dealing with whether his given name or his surname should be first in the article's title; the capitalization issue was not actually discussed, even if the move proposal was made with the J in "Jin" capitalized. I was not a registered editor on Wikipedia at the time when either of those moves were made, but these are the impressions that I get from looking at them now.
That being said, it might make sense to have a discussion on moving those pages as well, but we should probably at least wait until this present discussion is settled first, since it won't make as much sense to discuss moving those pages to capitalized versions if this discussion were to result in this page being moved to the lowercase version. Also, a discussion about those pages would probably have to also include just about all of the articles in the category I previously mentioned, since just about all of them (except for the few without hyphens in their names) would fall under the same type of issue. But based on my understanding of Korean naming conventions, the lowercase versions seem correct for both this article and all of the others. --Zander251 (talk) 05:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
