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Talk:Soprano trombone

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Review: August 17, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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Useful mentions from books[edit]

Adding snippets for later use here.—Jon (talk) 01:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David M. Guion (2010). A History of the Trombone. Toronto: Scarecrow Press. ISBN 978-0-81087-445-9. OCLC 725775517. OL 24019524M. Wikidata Q111039945.

Sopranino and piccolo described as toy instruments only, built in "recent decades" (p3).
Praetorius never mentions a soprano-sized instrument in Syntagma Musicum (1614-20), using alt-posaun and deskant-posaun interchangeably to refer to the alto (p32).
The first mention in the literature was 1713 by Johann Mattheson, referring to large and small sizes of alto trombone (p35).
In their orchestration treatises, Adolf Bernhard Marx (1847) and Ebenezer Prout (1897) consider the soprano obsolete, but Charles-Marie Widor (1904) mentions that some manufacturers make them, while calling the alto obsolete (p52).
Curt Sachs stated without evidence in his Handbuch der Musikinstrumentenkunde (1930) that the soprano trombone existed in the 16th century, an error that persisted for several decades in subsequent texts (p48).

Trevor Herbert (2006). The Trombone. Yale Musical Instrument Series. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300235-75-3. OCLC 1007305405. OL 30593699M. Wikidata Q111039091.

Main discussion is a single paragraph: earliest surviving instrument thought to be from 1677; three early cantatas by Bach, but instrument not widely used, possibly due to the facility and common use of the cornett for the treble voice in ensembles; use in Moravian Church music, particularly in the US into modern times (p28).
Mentioned only to disambiguate it from the flatt trumpet being discussed, a form of slide trumpet (p125).

Sabine Klaus (2013). Ways to Expand the Harmonic Series. Trumpets and Other High Brass. Vol. 2. Vermillion: National Music Museum. ISBN 978-0-984-82692-6. Wikidata Q116447957.

These Trumpets and Other High Brass books are a monumental achievement, Sabine Klaus should get a medal or something. Early 20th C. slide cornets and subsequent instruments are covered in the second volume (p39-44).

Move to article space[edit]

I've asked for technical assistance with moving this draft into article space, without clobbering the existing redirect and potentially losing edit history at either end. — Jon (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Marshelec (talk) 03:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Marshelec (talk · contribs) 08:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to review this article over the next week. Marshelec (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Review comments
Review comments[edit] The lead[edit] The lead is a bit short, and currently doesn't include some interesting aspects covered in the body. I suggest additional sentences outlining recent use of Soprano trombone in jazz performance, and also the use as a training instrument for children, and for trumpet players. Although modern instruments are made, the soprano remains a rare trombone seldom written for, compared to the tenor, bass, or even the uncommon alto trombone. This sentence is doing too much, and is a bit hard to read, especially for content in the lead. I suggest a rewrite and split into two sentences for better flow. History[edit] The earliest surviving instrument was made in 1677, held by the Kremsegg musical instrument museum. Hmmm. Going to the page de:Schloss Kremsegg I find: "The Kremsegg Castle Musical Instrument Museum has been closed since December 31, 2018." So where is the instrument now ?? Johann Sebastian Bach composed three cantatas (BWV 2, 21 &38) around 1723, where four trombones are required; the highest part was written in ... this might be better as: "Johann Sebastian Bach composed three cantatas (BWV 2, 21 &38) around 1723, with four trombone parts; the highest part was written in ..." A possible reason for this was because the Stadtpfeiffer (lit. 'town pipers'), who were trained to play all instruments, may have found fast and high (soprano) passages easier to play .. may be better as: "A possible reason is that the Stadtpfeiffer (lit. 'town pipers'), who were trained to play all instruments, found that fast and high (soprano) passages were easier to play ..." ... while describing the alto as obsolete. add link to alto trombone Construction[edit] The B♭ soprano trombone is built with dimensions similar to the trumpet. perhaps I am a bit picky here, but I suggest『.. B♭ trumpet』for complete clarity. add link to "tenor trombone" ..built with a shorter slide of six positions rather than seven ... ideally we would not promote an article that included a ctitation needed tag Sopranino and piccolo trombones[edit] this section comes as a surprise on a first read-through. There is no mention of other sizes until this point. I note that much of the content is already in Trombone. One option is to remove the content from this article. An alternative would be to treat it the same as for Serpent (instrument), and have a heading "Sizes", to give a bit more lead-in.

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Review comments[edit]

The lead[edit]

The lead is a bit short, and currently doesn't include some interesting aspects covered in the body. I suggest additional sentences outlining recent use of Soprano trombone in jazz performance, and also the use as a training instrument for children, and for trumpet players.
Although modern instruments are made, the soprano remains a rare trombone seldom written for, compared to the tenor, bass, or even the uncommon alto trombone. This sentence is doing too much, and is a bit hard to read, especially for content in the lead. I suggest a rewrite and split into two sentences for better flow.

History[edit]

The earliest surviving instrument was made in 1677, held by the Kremsegg musical instrument museum. Hmmm. Going to the page de:Schloss Kremsegg I find: "The Kremsegg Castle Musical Instrument Museum has been closed since December 31, 2018." So where is the instrument now ??
Johann Sebastian Bach composed three cantatas (BWV 2, 21 &38) around 1723, where four trombones are required; the highest part was written in ... this might be better as: "Johann Sebastian Bach composed three cantatas (BWV 2, 21 &38) around 1723, with four trombone parts; the highest part was written in ..."
A possible reason for this was because the Stadtpfeiffer (lit. 'town pipers'), who were trained to play all instruments, may have found fast and high (soprano) passages easier to play .. may be better as: "A possible reason is that the Stadtpfeiffer (lit. 'town pipers'), who were trained to play all instruments, found that fast and high (soprano) passages were easier to play ..."
... while describing the alto as obsolete. add link to alto trombone

Construction[edit]

The B♭ soprano trombone is built with dimensions similar to the trumpet. perhaps I am a bit picky here, but I suggest『.. B♭ trumpet』for complete clarity.
add link to "tenor trombone"
..built with a shorter slide of six positions rather than seven ... ideally we would not promote an article that included a ctitation needed tag

Sopranino and piccolo trombones[edit]

this section comes as a surprise on a first read-through. There is no mention of other sizes until this point. I note that much of the content is already in Trombone. One option is to remove the content from this article. An alternative would be to treat it the same as for Serpent (instrument), and have a heading "Sizes", to give a bit more lead-in.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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