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It is obvious, from the slanted content and unflattering photo of Star Jones Reynolds, that the person who wrote this article is driven by his/her dislike of Star Jones Reynolds. As other people have noted, this article reads like a tabloid, and it is not up to Wikipedia standards. I am relatively new, and I have just learned that 1. I should not keep deleting this person's biased and inflammatory version of events. 2. I should use this page to discuss the editing of this page. So, does anyone know what are the best steps to resolve the issue and get a more professional article (like the article on Rosie O'Donnell, who has also had her share of controversy)? Thank you!
The claim that Star Jones had a contractual agreement with the corporate sponsors of her wedding is not based on any fact provided by wikipedia. In fact, the source that supposedly verifies this relates in no way to the claim. For this reason, it should be removed or at least spelled out that this claim is NOT absolutely correct. Rather, it should read, "Some believe that Star Jones agreed to mentioned certain products on air for sponsorships."
This article is obviously slanted against Star and appears to have been written by someone she pissed off. This seems like something I would write about my wrost enemy and not something you'd find in an encyclopedia. It makes it look as if Star never did one thing good in her life. But why is this only up for discussion WIKI? Shouldn't you change this instead of just having people discuss what's wrong with it? It's obviously biased and after reading many other bios here I'm surprised it's here.
Conan O' Brien has been quite cruel to her... isnt that a bit POV? :-/ Redwolf24 05:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:58, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The "near-anorexic" comment is definitely not NPOV. I'm not sure if it should be deleted or just modified, but it needs to be fixed. JaeRae 23:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This was reported on media. (see news link) http://news.google.com/news?q=%22star+jones%22+bitch&hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d
I have absolutely NO opinion of Star Jones. I saw her featured on an MSN article today in regards to Rosie O'Donnell. So I decided to come here and see what kind of article on Wikipedia we have about Star Jones.
To my amazement (but not surprise), the article is 75% anti-Star Jones rhetoric (she has a lazy right eye??), and seems to be geared towards villifying her. Following the Wiki-rules that I have personally been critisized for, I see quite a few accusations and heresay and irrelevant commentary. Examples include:
"Many journalists and comedians have suspected him of being gay or on the down low." - that is not relevant in this article about Star Jones. This is a comment about what other people may or may not think. But more interestingly was the placement of the text. The neutral statment about her marriage is followed by the controversal statement about her husband. So I placed it amongst the controversies further down. I am curious to see who and what excuse will be used to justify this extremely biased article. There is certainly a lack of Neutrality when most of the article discusses extremely controversal issues of a personal nature in regards to Star Jones. I take it the lack of respect and dignity for this particular woman is "ok" because...? (Let's hear it). Oh and yes, I think there is a racial aspect to this, I'm sure you were waiting to hear it so you can deny it. --Zaphnathpaaneah 07:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to the article, after trying to sue PETA, "A judged ruled that she 'shut the fuck up and go eat some more cake'." Are there any additional citations (other than furisdead.com) or transcripts available to verify that?--Ryan! 06:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article is inflammatory, divisive, image violates copyright, lacks citation, original research, is sensational, and slanted. --prangel 01:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)Prangel[reply]
Folks...that was the BEST picture of SJR we could get?! Vikramsidhu 18:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So now the article has been "protected" and supposedly that protection is not an endorsement. I find it odd that the edits I made were not protected. My edits include: "Star Jones married banker Al Reynolds on November 13, 2004. The wedding was held at Saint Bartholomew's Church in New York City in front of 500 guests, and featured three matrons of honor, 12 bridesmaids, two junior bridesmaids, three best men, 12 groomsmen, three junior groomsmen, six footmen, four ring bearers, and four flower girls.
Jones Reynolds is known for her outspoken nature and controversial comments made on The View for which she has often been the subject of parody or mocking by comedians or television hosts. She is frequently mocked by host Conan O'Brien. She has been parodied on the television program Saturday Night Live by Kenan Thompson and previously Tracy Morgan, as well as Jim Rome.
Rosie O'Donnell, who was hired to replace former co-host Meredith Viera on The View, has criticized Jones Reynolds for not publicly admitting to having gastric bypass surgery. It was reported that Jones Reynolds' departure from The View was due largely in part to friction with O'Donnell."
However, the vandal or vandals who keep deleting my edits without giving any reason for their actions have been allowed to keep their biased and sensational version. My only edit that was allowed to remain was my addition of Star Jones Reynolds' official website.
I have done further research and have found that several Wikipedians of color (not just African Americans) have posted on their user pages that they find Wikipedia to be biased against people of color and to be driven by a progressive, white male worldview.
Based on my recent experiences, I would now have to agree with that.
For those of you who have stooped to attacking those of us who don't agree with your point of view, you may celebrate in knowing that I will no longer use my Wikipedia account, and I will not utilize these pages anymore. I am keeping my account active so that those who are interested in fairness and justice can read about my efforts to work within the system by clicking on my username.
I used to be a Wikipedia junkie, perusing through article upon article. I used to find Wikipedia so fascinating. Now, thanks to Administrator and user bias, accusation, and failure to uphold Wikipedia standards, I have kicked the Wikipedia habit.--prangel 02:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)Prangel[reply]
In my comment, "Needs Speedy Deletion", I did not originally sign my name. As I state in my comment below, "This article needs Speedy Deletion for these reasons", I did not understand that I have to sign my name after each post. I have made the correction. I have also observed that SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NOT SIGNED their name, but they have not had an adminstrator identify them and tag their post "Unsigned by.." as I had. I feel Wikipedia is being extremely unprofessional in refusing to uphold it's standards.--prangel 02:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did attempt to edit this article several times. The original article writer and/or others may have erased my edits, and have attacked people who disagree with their point of view. I got tired of having an editing war with this person or these people, so I started researching Wikipedia to find out my recourses.
In DOING MY RESEARCH, I discovered that erasing the SENSATIONAL, SLANTED, AND UNCITED portions of this DIVISIVE and INFLAMMATORY article, I learned that my action could be taken as vandalism. I immediately ceased doing so. I also learned that the talk page should be used to discuss the editing of this article, and I modified my actions.
I have spent SEVERAL HOURS, reading NPOV standards, and I stated on the request for deletion pages my reasons which include, the page has been flagged for lack of citation (verifiability), the page contains many references to tabloid reports (sensational and lack of original research), the page has gender biased, heteronomative speculation about the subject's husband's sexuality (which someone claimed to remove) and overall, the article has a tone which does NOT pass Wikipedia's test for fairness and a sympathetic tone.
For these reasons, I upgraded my request for speedy deletion.
Your statement "such frivolous nominations as yours will be ignored, except insofar as they might get you in a bit of trouble" was harsh, abrasive, rude, assumptive, accusatory, and threatening. I do not appreciate it. Just because Star Jones Reynolds happens to be in the media right now is NO EXCUSE for WIKIPEDIA TO LOWER ITS STANDARDS.
If the ADMINISTRATORS WILL take the time to read the talk page, you would see that several other people agree with me that this article is DIVISIVE and INFLAMMATORY.
Finally, it was my understanding that by signing into my account is was not necessary to sign my posts. Again, I understand that was in error. It was not attempt to hide, as you will see by my signature below..--prangel 01:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia’s value as a trusted resource has gone down. I began using Wikipedia for an “Epistemology of Knowledge” course; this article sounds like a tabloid.
Please edit or rewrite any parts of the article that seem to require fixing. The article as a whole cannot be deleted, but it can be improved. --TruthbringerToronto 01:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a bio of Star from ABC.com that includes more detail about her professional legal career as well as in television. http://abc.go.com/theview/hosts/jones.html --anon, 04 Aug 2006--
This Article definitely needs to be more factual and more focused. It contains so little information pertaining to the womans Early life, career, education and proffession and yet is filled with a section devoted to scandal and accusation. Definately Tabloid material. What should also be noted that there is not explanation of her career at the view other than scandal. There is not even one line stating what the view is. It is as though someone used the first header to summerize the bare neccesities to pass this off as a credible article and used the rest for slander. A joke! And sadly, a bad reflection on the relevance and objectivity of wikipedia. CanuckScience * Talk
Though not a heavily involved wikipedian[Clearly, I don't even have an account], I've found myself with an unexpected amount of time in which I can read wikipedia without it serving as really fascinating procrastination; that said, I've read a ridiculous amount of talk page text for various living bios and have seen some noteworthy ones wherein the subject is involved. So, when a user says, "hi, star" in response to what does seem some stilted assertion possibly in her favor, I wonder: has there been some confirmation, or even some sort of check, that would lead to suspicion of her anonymous remarking? It wouldn't be surprising, as this article does come up within five or six of the top results when you google "star jones" [another reason to hasten correction of whatever perceived and real issues from which the article suffers], so I'm curious.
Thanks for anyone who could answer that. 24.13.8.214 04:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC) russ.[reply]
There appears to be a dispute underway. To facilitate dialogue, I have temporarily protected the page. I would ask all interested parties to cite specific language within the article in need of revision, together with statement of why the revision is required. Please, everyone, be brief, polite, and focused on the article's actual text, not other matters. Thanks, Xoloz 02:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say just now that starting next week, Star Jones will be the new co-host of AOTS. Months ago we have been through a selective co-host audition, but this is a new surprise. I just hope that his is like that Vanilla Ice joke, because AOTS doesn't have enough money to afford a celebrity as a permanent co-host. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 23:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By Brill Bundy June 28 2006
Walters then turned to the camera and delivered the following statement:
"This is truthfully a very difficult day for us; and it is a sad day for us. If you were watching the program yesterday you would have heard Star announce that she's leaving 'The View' and will not be on the program next fall. We didn't expect her to make this statement yesterday -- she gave us no warning -- and we were taken by surprise.”
"But the truth is Star has known for months that ABC did not want to renew her contract and that she would not be asked back in the fall. The network based this decision upon a variety of reasons, which I won't go into now. But we were never going to say this. We wanted to protect Star, so we told her that she could say whatever she wanted about why she was leaving and that we would back her up. We worked closely with her representatives and we gave her time to look for another job, and we hoped then that she would announce it on the program and leave with dignity.”
"But Star made another choice and since her announcement yesterday she's made further announcements that have surprised us. So it is becoming uncomfortable for us to pretend that everything is the same at this table and therefore, regrettably, Star will no longer be on this program except for some shows that have been prerecorded. 'The View' helped make Star a star and Star helped make 'The View' the success that it is and we will never forget that. We wish her well in this new chapter of her life as we begin a new chapter on 'The View.'”
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-barbarawaltersstarjonestheview,0,24834.story This should be included when the page is revised.
... should not be the one currently on the page (the PR one). We shouldn't use a purposely horrible photo of her, but neither should we use this over-airbrushed, over-photoshopped, Glamourshots attempt to make her look like a 1940s movie diva. Star Jones's PR company (and they have my sympathies) is not a reliable source. Eleemosynary 01:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fine here. Eleemosynary 05:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm placing this image here as a placeholder until this page get unprotected. HeyNow10029 05:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone has deleted some sections of the talk page.
The article currently includes a reference to Meredith Viera which is a misspelling and redirects to the proper article title, Meredith Vieira. When the article is unprotected, this should be corrected. --Metropolitan90 18:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That information is nowhere in this article. The Career section says nothing about when she joined The View. Only when she was fired. Please fix! Moncrief 05:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hopiakuta 14:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_View >:
Starring Barbara Walters (1997–present) Joy Behar (1997–present) Elisabeth Hasselbeck (2003–present) Star Jones Reynolds (1997–2006) Meredith Vieira (1997–2006) Debbie Matenopoulos (1997–1999) Lisa Ling (1999–2002)
Okay, I'm not a big Star Jones fan, but I agree some of the comments in here are not NPOV, and could be far more neutral in nature. The past edits seemed to veer wildly from anti-Star comments within the article to gushing fan edits....so I agree it needs a LOT more balance.
Besides all of that, I'd really like to see a more structured article....something with a chronological order. The information/discussion about the most recent events regarding Ms. Jones Reynolds (ie, her departure from "The View") should really be more towards the end of the article. Information about her pre-"View" activities should be fleshed out, too. I'd be willing to help at such time should the protection of this page be lifted.
Just my humble opinion. Thanks! NickBurns 18:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I added some headings and moved some stuff around, and made other (hopefully) minor edits. Also, I assume in the absence of information to the contrary that she is still licensed as an attorney at law, even though she's not practicing law at this time. If that assumption is correct, she's a "lawyer," not a "former lawyer." Yours, Famspear 21:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think this article is in relatively good shape, compared to the problems it had been having. It seems more or less balanced and isn't ridiculously unflattering, but still alludes to her image problems and controversies. Does anyone have any thoughts?--Dmz5 22:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On the Law & Order: SVU episode, she is introduced on a talk show as a former Brooklyn ADA. According to this article, in real life she used to be a Brooklyn ADA. However, this article says she was not playing herself, but a fictitious character, also named "Star Jones". The justification for this claim is the following: "While her character was also named Star Jones, she was not playing herself, but rather a prosecuting attorney from Brooklyn."
First, this claim is not consistent with the episode itself. The article implies she played a current ADA, while it is clearly stated that she played a former ADA. Thus, the basis for the claim that she was playing a fictitious character is invalid, so I have to question if she was actually supposed to be playing a fictitious character. — 71.178.27.51 01:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tonight I tried to add a factual section to the controversy section about Ms. Jones. The section I added was properly researched, included references and citations, and was NOT slanderous. In a matter of seconds, both attempted edits were deleted and I was threatened with being banned from editing WikiPedia!
The editors who threatened me and deleted my factual edits were User:Alexfusco5 and User:Jonathan.
I will admit, my laptop crashed in the middle of my edits. If that inadvertently deleted some content, I apologize profusely. However, that does NOT explain why my edits were deleted and threats against my account were made.
I would like my content reinstated or at the very least, discussed here openly.
--Alphaman (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although critisized as being untrue, Star Jones truly has passed away. I'm not sure how many tv stations reported it, but NBC in Manhattan did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himfan2006 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article states that Jones was sued in small claims court in Detroit and the plaintiff was awarded $20,000. The maximum jurisdictional amount for small claims court in Michigan is $3000. 96.35.175.244 (talk) 17:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In The View paragraph it states verbatim:
In 1997, Jones joined The View as a co-host, a role that increased her public exposure significantly. On June 27, 2006, Jones officially reported that she would be leaving The View after nine seasons as co-host.
Why is the article spending 1 sentence introducing her to the show and treating it like it was a favor for her and the whole rest of the article is about her leaving? Also, the reason given is in dispute with the Rosie O'Donnell article which states:
In September 2006, O'Donnell replaced Meredith Vieira as a co-host and moderator of the The View, a daytime women-oriented talkshow. Star Jones, a co-host on the show, quit with some speculating Jones's conservative views would be in constant tension with O'Donnell's more liberal counterpoint. O'Donnell had also disputed Jones's route of rapid weight loss, alluding that it must have been gastric bypass surgery rather than dieting and exercise alone as Star had insisted which also fed speculation about certain tension between the two
This is some pretty horrific writing for Wikipedia... I'm placing a NPOV and Improve tag on the article. 97.85.168.22 (talk) 16:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
...what?? --75.67.189.29 (talk) 00:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Removed material about Reynolds coming out as bisexual ten years after they divorced; relevance unclear. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:47, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]