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The lack of citations on this page is pitiful. Plenty of outlandish claims about rumours of elvis wearing a "device" of some sort, with no citation mentioned to back it up. Is this reference really needed? And if so, shouldn't it be sourced? --66.150.98.32 01:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The list shows Nat King Cole as appearing on the show in 1949, when the wikipedia page on Cole says he wasn't on until 1955.
"Jim Morrison, the band's lead singer, agreed but changed his mind after a quick band meeting and sang the orignal line instead with notice to the show's producers."
Shouldn't this be WITHOUT notice, or does this mean Morrison looked at the show's producers while singing the line? NjtoTX 12:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kudos to JillandJack. It captures the absolute essence of Ed Sullivan's television persona. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The line "Although Elvis' appearances are considered the most famous rock and roll performances on Ed Sullivan" seems kind of biased doesn't it? What about the Beatles' famous performance that was at least equally influential on rock and roll (if not more), but hey, I could be a little biased too. Nonetheless, any suggestions?
Thanks for the response. Here are a couple of sources:
1) Beatles' 'Ed Sullivan' appearance rated rock's top TV moment
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/25/tv.rocks.ap/
2) On Sunday, February 9, millions of North Americans waited in front of small black and white television sets in anticipation of seeing this new phenomenon from Britain. The audience for that show alone is estimated to be over 70 million people.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~faab/AbbeyRoad/sullivan.htm
3)"No televised musical performance ever packed more of an impact than the Beatles’ first time on The Ed Sullivan Show, and it seems unlikely another ever will." -- Colin Jacobson
http://dvdmg.com/edsullivanpresentsthebeatles.shtml
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone tell me when it was a ritual for families to gather to watch network broadcasts of The Wizard of Oz? I've never heard that before. -- Mwalcoff 02:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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There is a long list of performers who were banned from the show. Anyone up to the challenge of listing who and why?
From the Bo_Diddley article, Carreer section"
On November 20, 1955, he was the first African-American to appear on The Ed Sullivan Show, only to infuriate him. ("I did two songs and he got mad," Bo Diddley later recalled. "Ed Sullivan said that I was one of the first niggers to ever double-cross him. Said that I wouldn't last six months.") Bo Diddley was asked to sing Tennessee Ernie Ford's hit "Sixteen Tons". But when he appeared on stage, he sang his #1 R&B hit "Bo Diddley." He was banned from further appearances. The Doors and comedian Jackie Mason would later join Bo Diddley on the list of performers banned from The Ed Sullivan Show.
Sorry for the uncut quote, but I felt it was relevant. --Yue.san 09:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bo Diddley was by no means the first African American on Sullivan's show. It is highly unlikely that Sullivan used the word "nigger", although Diddley may have been quoted with that version of what happened. Not asking someone back is not, in my opinion, the same as "banning" them. Check the Bo Diddley article for references on previous appearances by blacks in case I don't get to it. In the meatime I'm going to delete those sentences since they are obviously incorrect. Steve Pastor (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not by a long shot. Count Basie was on the 8/29/1948 show. [1] Steve Pastor (talk) 18:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Louis Armstrong, Lena Horne, Cab Calloway, Eartha Kitt, there's quite a list of blacks who were on before Bo. Steve Pastor (talk) 18:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I came here trying to find out who performed with the Beatles on the show. I know Soupy Sales was on one of them. Is anyone planning on summarizing individual Sullivan episodes like people have done for other TV shows?? (Obviously, it's a gigantic job to do them all but maybe just the famous ones?)--Calan (talk) 17:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen plenty of 1950's kinescopes featuring broadway singers performing hits from their musicals. Since the claim that it was "rare" was both uncited and auguably biased, I removed the line, peeps! Retro Agnostic (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This page needs references. Does anyone know of any webpages that could be used? Ergito (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1) Concerning Elvis Presley's three Sullivan appearances, it has been claimed in the "Elvis Presley" section that only on the third show Presley was shown from the waist up only, but that he was shown in full during the previous appearances, as screenshots from a modern DVD prove. However, some published sources (books, newspaper articles) say otherwise. Query: is a modern DVD really a reliable source? Elvis’s performance was telecast live and kinescoped, as videotapes and DVDs were not yet invented in the 50s. The problem is that what you now see on DVD is not necessarily identical with the performance people saw on TV at that time. You can be sure that there were different cameras shooting the star and his band (some showing Elvis from the waist up, some in full, others showing the members of his band or the host), and someone from Sullivan’s team decided what went on air and what not. However, for producing a current DVD they have certainly used the best material available from the archived shots of all the different cameras, also material which was definitely not on air in 1956. The only conclusion is that what the modern DVD is showing now cannot be the only source for a decision as to whether or not Elvis was to be seen in 1956 in full or from the waist up only. This may also explain why newspaper reports or eyewitness accounts of the time and experts using the old sources seem to contradict what is now to be seen on DVD.
2) The same "Elvis Presley" section includes the following paragraphs:
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(see the help page).Query: As these paragraphs include no more than insignificant small talk between Presley and Laughton during the show, are they encyclopedic enough for a Wikipedia article or should they be rewritten? Any suggestions are welcome. Onefortyone (talk) 23:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He did what he did and said what he said. It is now a matter of public record after 50 years of only who knows who being able to look at and hear what was broadcast on those 3 nights. Reminds me of the "One small step for a man" quote. No matter how many times I heard it, I never heard the "a". And yet there it was in print, over and over again. (I think they are finally owning up to its not being htere.) Again, we have what we can clearly demonstrate, and then we have what people try to tell us he was thinking, what his motivation was, etc. I give more weight to what we can see and hear ourselves. BTW, shall I put in a picture of Elvis in a cowboy outfit along with the other comedians of the Steve Allen Show that was part of his appearance on the Allen Show? Or maybe he willingly participated in both that and Hound Dog because he wanted to be a star. He was not Elvis the megastar then. He was Elvis the up and coming young kid who grew up poor, etc. If these kinescopes were not available, we would not be having this discussion. And, BTW, far as I can remember, it was Scotty Moore who is on record saying that they were all angry. Is there a record of Elvis saying the same? There are a couple of interesting articles, one from American Music, the other from ??? that I've read on that subject. IF you are interested I can get you citations. Steve Pastor (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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was invoked but never defined (see the help page).In the article it states that maybe Sullivan felt it was time to retire. In reality he was furious that his show was dumped without warning. He felt it should have been allowed to go on another two years to make 25 - That was his goal. Health or retirement were not considered. Read up on it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.10.130 (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User DocKino has more than once removed a well-sourced addition to the article, accusing me of a subjective, idiosyncratic view per WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. To my mind, this user is wrong, as the statement by Rodriguez adds, for reasons of balance, an aspect to the article not mentioned before and is therefore fully in line with Wikipedia policies. The article says that
Therefore, there are good reasons to include this additional remark in the article,
for, some time ago, another user, Jaye9, cited Elvis himself saying,
This shows that Rodriguez was certainly right with his opinion, and for reasons of balance, his statement should be included in the article. Interestingly, some months ago, while removing the same commentary from the Elvis Presley article, DocKino said that Rodriguez’ opinion about a fleeting facial expression is “a clever, intriguing, plausible observation.” See [4]. So why should this “clever, intriguing, plausible observation” not be included in the article on the Ed Sullivan Show, especially in view of the fact that it demonstrates, for reasons of balance, that Sullivan’s words weren’t honest. If there is another source which shows that Sullivan’s words were indeed sincere, we may also add this opinion to the article. Onefortyone (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll continue to argue that we should stick to what actually happened rather than someone's interpretation of what happened. Steve Pastor (talk) 15:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Can anyone corraborate the Rolling Stones Nazi Uniform story with a internet verifiable source? Or at least have a better source ? I know the Rolling Stones history pretty well and I've never heard that factoid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.249.78 (talk) 05:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Rolling Stones appeared on the Sullivan show six times total (1964, 1965, twice in 1966, 1967, and 1969). Their last appearance was late 1969---the Stones were superstars at this point and Ed Sullivan actually walked to Mick Jagger and shook his hand---the Sullivan Show was cancelled a year and a half later. The Stones were never banned by the show. Mick Jagger appeared on their first show (1964) without a jacket and it is true that Sullivan was annoyed but he was still allowed to appear without a jacket on the air. The Stones second appearance---the group complied---all wore jackets. The Nazi uniform thing is an urban legend--never happened. Brian Jones wore a Nazi uniform for a magazine photo shoot as a "joke" in 1966. This is probably the origin of the urban legend. Jagger did not approve of the shoot. Despite their rebel image---the Stones were interested in making music and selling records and Sullivan had a huge audience.
The sections involving Buddy Holly and indeed most of the "controversies" section are badly in need of sourcing. 68.146.64.9 (talk) 08:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it really necessary to separate African-American artists into their own category? They could be included in the Non-African-American list while still mentioning the cultural significance of any performance. Anyway, I believe the term is hyphenated. Camo Shoe Club (talk) 00:29, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The DVD release of the Rolling Stones episodes says the "Sclrap-Flyapp" routine by the Muppets was performed on January 15, 1967, not Nov. 24, 1968 as listed. But there is another Muppets performance listed on January 16, 1967. So unless Sullivan aired two episodes on succeeding days that week for some reason, there's an error somewhere. I personally would side with the dates given on the official DVD release. 70.72.223.215 (talk) 15:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why did the show end? Will someone please add it to the History section? In Talk, someone mentions retirement, but the word retire is not in the article. Misty MH (talk) 12:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article says the show was once produced in Australia. The 1964 press claims this will happen in March 1965, but in 1965 Sullivan says he was not able to come. Does anyone have more? MartinSFSA (talk) 06:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The list of Prime Time Specials for the series only mentions a 1975 memorial to Sullivan and a number of more recent retrospectives; it omits the post-cancellation specials, most notably the 25th anniversary one. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I corrected a factual error (with video source) with regards to Bo Diddley. Diddley did not sing "Diddley Daddy" but rather his self-named "Bo Diddley" single. The cited news article is wrong. 136.159.160.121 (talk) 16:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]