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There is only one source cited and it's a blog. No Reliable sources. I have searched and haven't found that number anywhere else. That number does not appear to be accurate. I think it should be removed or sourced better. 192.107.159.198 (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They are both reliable sources, so this is tricky. In this case, the $130,000 is from NCDC. Because the TCR didn't say anything about there being significant damage (and $200M is a lot, $25M is usually the cutoff for them), we should probably go with the NCDC report. However, the NCDC is a case of adding up damage totals (WP:CALC), while the other source explicitly credits Bertha to the $200M. I hope there'll be some clarity in the post-season, when we usually get individual damage totals, like some report on the 10 US landfalling storms. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
200 million is overkill. Anyway, this article needs to be expanded and cleaned up so it can be Ga within three months.~Destroyeraa🌀16:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So you've reviewed Dolores and peer-reviewed Barry along with Noah. I've learned many things about reviewing from you and Noah, and I hope I will give an adequate review. This is only my second review whatsoever, so I ask Hurricane Noah to give a second review for anything I missed.
FN 3 should be located after By that time, the trough extended across southern Florida into the western Atlantic Ocean, producing a widespread area of thunderstorms.
FN 11 and everything from NCDC - should be cite report, add should be something like "Event:Thunderstorm Wind [date and time]"
Is there a reason? Not all of the events are on a single date. Also, this is how I've been citing NCDC for years. Was there a discussion I missed? Is there something sub-par about the way it's referenced? All it's adding is the exact date and time. I'll change it if you think it's a major issue holding back the article, but I just wanted to see if there was some policy discussion on this. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FN 14 & 15 - see above. Fn 15 is the same thing as FN 11.
Are you sure about Fn 15/11? I went back to the edit history when you reviewed this, but I didn't see anything off with these refs, they're different on my end. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Title case is "Hurricane Barry Kills One, Thirty Rescued from Rip Currents" instead of "Hurricane Barry kills one, thirty rescued from rip currents". I cannot pass unless title case is fixed. Also, Hurricanehink, about NCDC - the title needs to be as specific as possible. Titles such as "Tornado Event Report" or "Tropical Weather Outlook" are way too vague, and need to be specified. For example for NCDC: title=Event: Tornado in County, State [14:35 EDT-4] and for TWO: Two-Day Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook: 8:00 EST July 5, 2020. I cannot pass unless these are fixed too. ~Destroyeraa🌀16:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the title case. As for the TWO, I disagree. The date shouldn't be in the title because they are already in the date parameter. Further, this article doesn't use the graphical weather outlook. The refs are different because they have different authors. And as for NCDC, I added the county and state, but not the date, as the event and county is enough specifity. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I corrected title case for everything, but I won't be adding the dates to NCDC or the STWO's, as you haven't convinced me it's necessary through any official Wikipedia policy that it's needed for a GA. As I said before, I didn't use the graphical TWO. If you won't pass unless the dates are added, I'll seek a 2nd opinion. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But the NCDC reports weren't published on the date that the event happened. They were published in 2020, which is listed. Everything else is done though. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I removed this. There's no evidence Bertha actually made it to the Sargasso Sea, which is bound by the Gulf Stream on the western side (and not the coast of the US). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That day, Tropical Storm Bertha formed east of Georgia → "That day, the disturbance consolidated into Tropical Storm Bertha east of Georgia". The current wording sound weird.
The storm and its precursor disturbance caused moderate flooding and flash flooding in southern Florida → "moderate flooding and flash flooding" is redundant. Remove "moderate flooding" and replace it with something else.
I just want to over my $0.02. We mention too much about the SpaceX launch. There isn't even a mention of how short the storm was. I'd at least want to see that.(And I did not make the comments above the line. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tropical Storm Bertha originated from a trough, or elongated low pressure area, that developed in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico on May 24. This is redundant. We know from the lede that it did. Try something like A trough, or an elongated low pressure area, developed in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico on May 24.
Put By that time, the trough extended across southern Florida into the western Atlantic Ocean, producing a widespread area of thunderstorms. ahead of The National Hurricane Center (NHC) first mentioned the system in a special tropical weather outlook on May 25, assessing a 20% chance for tropical cyclone development, due to expected strong wind shear, the proximity to land, and dry air. Since you were already talking about the trough, and remove By that time if you do move the sentence.
Add Subsequently before The NHC increased the system's development potential to 30% before it was expected to move inland. and remove before it was expected to move inland.
Early on May 27, the system developed a well-defined center underneath an area of organized thunderstorms. The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia.[1] This was confirmed by an offshore buoy recording tropical storm-force winds.[5] Put the third sentence ("This was confirmed...") before the second sentence ("The NHC estimated...") since the source says it was before the system developed. Also, replace "this was confirmed" with "In addition,".
After you're finished with the above, place this sentence: At 12:30 UTC, the NHC initiated advisories on Bertha in real time,[6] just after The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia.[1] and change "At 12:30 UTC, the NHC initiated advisories on Bertha in real time,[6]" to "Operationally, it was not until 12:30 UTC that the NHC had initiated advisories on Bertha.[6]"
I know this is a lot of work with the moving sentences and stuff, but it should be done to improve flow.
by which time the storm had reached peak winds of 50 mph (85 km/h); this was based on observations from buoys and the storm's well-defined curved rainbands near the center. → At 12:00 UTC, the storm reached its peak intensity with winds of 50 mph (85 km/h) and a pressure of 1005 mbar (29.68 inHg); this was based on observations from buoys and the storm's well-defined curved rainbands near the center.
Upon its formation, Bertha was moving northwestward around the western side of a ridge over the western Atlantic.[6] Move this up a few sentences to after "Upon its formation, Bertha was moving northwestward around the western side of a ridge over the western Atlantic.[6]" once you complete the above.
Change The precursor disturbance to Tropical Storm Bertha caused a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida, with accumulations of 8–10 in (200–250 mm) across several locations, and with a maximum 72-hour accumulation of 14.19 in (360 mm) in Miami.toThe precursor disturbance to Bertha Storm Tropical generated a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida. Accumulations of 8–10 in (200–250 mm) were reported over several locations, and a maximum 72-hour accumulation of 14.19 in (360 mm) was recorded in Miami.
I disagree with the wording of "Bertha Storm Tropical". How's:
"The precursor disturbance to Tropical Storm Bertha caused a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida, reaching 8–10 in (200–250 mm) across several locations. The peak 72–hour accumulation was 14.19 in (360 mm), recorded in Miami."
The precursor disturbance spawned an EF1 tornado in Aladdin City, which produced winds of 90 mph (140 km/h) and was on the ground for 4.83 mi (7.77 km). Change Aladdin CitytoAladdin.
Thunderstorms associated with the storm produced 1 in (25 mm) hail near Wellington, as well as wind gusts estimated up to 65 mph (105 km/h). → Thunderstorms produced hail up to 1 in (25 mm) in diameter near Wellington, as well as wind gusts up to 65 mph (105 hm/h).
Unsettled weather related to Bertha forced the cancellation of the planned Crew Dragon Demo-2 launch on May 27 from Cape Canaveral.[21] The mission was launched three days later. Why's this sentence all by itself?
NCDC didn't have anything that explicitly linked PA/OH/KY/NJ impacts to Bertha. The low dissipated over West Virginia into an approaching trough, and it would be a bit of a stretch linking those events to Bertha without any other sources. Ordinarily, there would be a rainfall map from the WPC, which I suspect will eventually come out, but given how busy the season was, it might take some time. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Happy to help. Also, I like hurricanes got a taste of what it's like to be in a GA review, it's good to have the bunch of editors we got this summer to experience the process. Anyway, I knew you were only planning for GA, but eventually this article may be nominated for FA, and adding some FA tidbits such as the alt text will help speed up the process Hink. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
There were some grammar issues, and those appear to be fixed. There were also some sentence structure issues, those appear to be resolved as well. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There was a bunch of issues with references, though the nominator is an experienced editor and did not agree with most of the reviewer's tidbits. Title case was later added, and the reviewer is surprised that title case was not initially present. The reviewer hopes that the nominator will remember to do title case in the future. Regarding dates, the nominator believed that dates were unnecessary in the title, which the reviewer is fine with if dates are included in the date parameter. For NCDC, the titles were initially vague, but the nominator changed those. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After a long and extensive review, I believe that this article now meets the requirements of good article status, and I am thus passing this article at 14:25 UTC on November 18, 2020. ~Destroyeraa🌀17:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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What is the source for the statement The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia? The TCR is cited, but the report only states that formation occurred by 06:00 UTC May 27, when the system was very near the Georgia and South Carolina coasts and separately, in a table, gives the coordinates as 31.5°N 78.8°W. Drdpw (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]