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1 Track Pic  
1 comment  




2 Someone submit it for review.  
2 comments  




3 Over $200M damage?  
8 comments  




4 GA Review  
93 comments  


4.1  Sources  





4.2  Lede  





4.3  MH





4.4  P &I  



4.4.1  Preparations  





4.4.2  Florida  





4.4.3  Carolinas  





4.4.4  Elsewhere  







4.5  Final  







5 Source question in MH  
1 comment  













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Good articleTropical Storm Bertha (2020) has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassessit.
Good topic starTropical Storm Bertha (2020) is part of the Off-season Atlantic hurricanes series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 18, 2020Good article nomineeListed
December 31, 2020Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article

Track Pic

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Hello there! Does anyone have a picture of the track of Hurricane Bertha? Thanks so much! CodingCyclone (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Someone submit it for review.

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Someone submit the article for review. It looks good Destroyeraa (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did it. Now it is accepted. Destroyeraa (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Over $200M damage?

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There is only one source cited and it's a blog. No Reliable sources. I have searched and haven't found that number anywhere else. That number does not appear to be accurate. I think it should be removed or sourced better. 192.107.159.198 (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

http://thoughtleadership.aonbenfield.com//Documents/20200810_analytics-if-september-global-recap.pdf

This says that bertha's damage was over $200 million, but the article says only about $130,000. Which one is it. Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ThoughtLeadership is not a reliable source. It is $130 thousand. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then why is it used so much? Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It used to be used a lot, but then the TCR came out. Look at it for the (official) damage. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They are both reliable sources, so this is tricky. In this case, the $130,000 is from NCDC. Because the TCR didn't say anything about there being significant damage (and $200M is a lot, $25M is usually the cutoff for them), we should probably go with the NCDC report. However, the NCDC is a case of adding up damage totals (WP:CALC), while the other source explicitly credits Bertha to the $200M. I hope there'll be some clarity in the post-season, when we usually get individual damage totals, like some report on the 10 US landfalling storms. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
200 million is overkill. Anyway, this article needs to be expanded and cleaned up so it can be Ga within three months.~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
$200 million is overkill but $130,000 seems low. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Review transcluded from Talk:Tropical Storm Bertha (2020)/GA1

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Destroyeraa (talk · contribs) 00:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hink,

So you've reviewed Dolores and peer-reviewed Barry along with Noah. I've learned many things about reviewing from you and Noah, and I hope I will give an adequate review. This is only my second review whatsoever, so I ask Hurricane Noah to give a second review for anything I missed.

@Destroyeraa: Is it ok if I can help? I might do some of these while Hink does other things, such as FL hurricanes. I like hurricanes 03:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@I like hurricanes: Sure! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I like hurricanes for taking the lead on this! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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 Done - I like hurricanes 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I like hurricanes 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I like hurricanes 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I like hurricanes 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I like hurricanes 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kinda need help with these, so can you help me, Hurricanehink?I like hurricanes 18:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, Destroyeraa what did you mean with this one? I upper-cased "hour", if that's what you meant. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason? Not all of the events are on a single date. Also, this is how I've been citing NCDC for years. Was there a discussion I missed? Is there something sub-par about the way it's referenced? All it's adding is the exact date and time. I'll change it if you think it's a major issue holding back the article, but I just wanted to see if there was some policy discussion on this. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources need a lot of work. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: Title case is "Hurricane Barry Kills One, Thirty Rescued from Rip Currents" instead of "Hurricane Barry kills one, thirty rescued from rip currents". I cannot pass unless title case is fixed. Also, Hurricanehink, about NCDC - the title needs to be as specific as possible. Titles such as "Tornado Event Report" or "Tropical Weather Outlook" are way too vague, and need to be specified. For example for NCDC: title=Event: Tornado in County, State [14:35 EDT-4] and for TWO: Two-Day Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook: 8:00 EST July 5, 2020. I cannot pass unless these are fixed too. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the title case. As for the TWO, I disagree. The date shouldn't be in the title because they are already in the date parameter. Further, this article doesn't use the graphical weather outlook. The refs are different because they have different authors. And as for NCDC, I added the county and state, but not the date, as the event and county is enough specifity. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure all STWO and NCDC have dates. Also, make sure that everything is title cased. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also Hurricanehink, I'm doing everything that Hurricane Noah has told me to do on Hurricane Barry (2019), including the title case thing and the GTWC and the NCDC adding dates things. Different reviewers have different styles, and some, like me, won't pass unless title case is fixed.~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I corrected title case for everything, but I won't be adding the dates to NCDC or the STWO's, as you haven't convinced me it's necessary through any official Wikipedia policy that it's needed for a GA. As I said before, I didn't use the graphical TWO. If you won't pass unless the dates are added, I'll seek a 2nd opinion. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: What I mean is that make sure all NCDC and STWO have the |date= parameter. I will check when all is done. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:00, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But the NCDC reports weren't published on the date that the event happened. They were published in 2020, which is listed. Everything else is done though. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Good to know. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

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 Done I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done. Not sure if what I put is better or not. I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded it, mentioning it moving into NC at the start of the sentence. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to over my $0.02. We mention too much about the SpaceX launch. There isn't even a mention of how short the storm was. I'd at least want to see that.(And I did not make the comments above the line. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneTracker495: Already mentions it was a short-lived storm, and this is for the lede, where they only put a sentence for the disruption of the SpaceX launch. I like hurricanes 19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MH

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 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done. Was removed. I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't say, so I removed it. I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of work needed too.~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is it fine now? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

P &I

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Preparations

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 Done per Hink. I like hurricanes 03:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nova Crystallis: Is there a source? Looked on the article page, and the source only talks about moving the event to Charlotte, not postponing it. I like hurricanes 02:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@I like hurricanes: HereNova Crystallis (Talk) 02:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I like hurricanes 03:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Florida

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  • I disagree with the wording of "Bertha Storm Tropical". How's:
  • "The precursor disturbance to Tropical Storm Bertha caused a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida, reaching 8–10 in (200–250 mm) across several locations. The peak 72–hour accumulation was 14.19 in (360 mm), recorded in Miami."

Carolinas

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 Done I likehurricanes 16:57, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere

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This section needs expansion. I know there was some kind of impact in Pennsylvania, Ohio, maybe Kentucky and New Jersey. Canada possible too. @Hurricanehink and I like hurricanes: Try NCDC. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NCDC didn't have anything that explicitly linked PA/OH/KY/NJ impacts to Bertha. The low dissipated over West Virginia into an approaching trough, and it would be a bit of a stretch linking those events to Bertha without any other sources. Ordinarily, there would be a rainfall map from the WPC, which I suspect will eventually come out, but given how busy the season was, it might take some time. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: The are impacts. The reviewer should look for them, as I learned from Barry. NCDC isn't the only source. This section is way too small and I will not pass unless it's expanded. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I added Ohio, and I also found a bit for western PA. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final

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Is there anything else Destroyeraa?Hurricanehink (talk) 02:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: Make sure all images have alt text.~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a requirement for GAN, but I added it anyway. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Well we all want to bring these articles to FA class, right? Alt text is a requirement for FA, I believe, as Noah told me. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was only planning for GA. Thanks for the review though! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Happy to help. Also, I like hurricanes got a taste of what it's like to be in a GA review, it's good to have the bunch of editors we got this summer to experience the process. Anyway, I knew you were only planning for GA, but eventually this article may be nominated for FA, and adding some FA tidbits such as the alt text will help speed up the process Hink. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

Agood article is—

  1. Well-written:
  2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
    (c) it contains no original research; and
    (d) it contains no copyright violationsorplagiarism.
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  9. [4]
  10. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  11. [5]
    (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]
Result
  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) There were some grammar issues, and those appear to be fixed. There were also some sentence structure issues, those appear to be resolved as well. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (b) (MoS) Passes the manual of style. ~' Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) There was a bunch of issues with references, though the nominator is an experienced editor and did not agree with most of the reviewer's tidbits. Title case was later added, and the reviewer is surprised that title case was not initially present. The reviewer hopes that the nominator will remember to do title case in the future. Regarding dates, the nominator believed that dates were unnecessary in the title, which the reviewer is fine with if dates are included in the date parameter. For NCDC, the titles were initially vague, but the nominator changed those. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) The references for the article all were to reliable sources. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (c) (original research) There was no original research present. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) There were no copyright violations or plagiarism. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) The article lacked some details initially about impacts elsewhere. However, Hurricanehink added some information. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (b) (focused) There was a tidbit about the SpaceX launch, though it was not deemed off-topic. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    There were not issues with neutrality. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    No edit wars that I know of. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) All images are appropriate and are fair-use. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] Pass Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) Captions are suitable. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply] [[File:|16px]]
Result Notes
Pass Pass After a long and extensive review, I believe that this article now meets the requirements of good article status, and I am thus passing this article at 14:25 UTC on November 18, 2020. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations Hurricanehink and I like hurricanes!~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Source question in MH

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    What is the source for the statement The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia? The TCR is cited, but the report only states that formation occurred by 06:00 UTC May 27, when the system was very near the Georgia and South Carolina coasts and separately, in a table, gives the coordinates as 31.5°N 78.8°W. Drdpw (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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