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This looks promising. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BuySomeApples (talk) 04:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Withdrawn by nominator. Pilaz (talk) 15:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: TompaDompa (talk · contribs) 16:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 16:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The West Wing(1999-2006)), italics and capitalization for titles (e.g.
Hotel Rwanda (2004)and
The 2017 New Zealand documentary My year with Helen), and use of MOS:CURLY quotes (e.g.
“world freedom of the screen, along with radio and the press”). Other issues relate to prose quality such as tone (e.g.
At any rate, the advent of the Cold War [...]) and redundancy (e.g.
On the topic of the peacekeeping missions of the United Nations, Paul Cowan's documentary The Peacekeepers (2006) sheds light on peacekeepers [...]). I'll bring up more examples in the sections below.
Done The listed date of April 2019 was incorrect, so I changed it to September 2019. However, the "Hajjami 2019" and page number shortened citations are fully compliant with WP:CITESHORT. Pilaz (talk) 14:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pending.The United Nations (UN) has been depicted in several films, television, literature, and other media which shape popular culture.– starting the list with a plural ("several films") and then using singular produces a jarring effect, as one would expect the following terms to also be plural (i.e. parse it as several films, [several] television, [several] literature [...]). This can be fixed most easily by making the first term singular (
depicted in film, television, literature [...]). It could also be fixed by making all terms plural (
several films, television shows, works of literature [...]– which one would parse as
several films, [several] television shows, [several] works of literature [...]).
Frequent depictions of the UN involve the organization itself, UN bodies and agencies, the UN headquarters, peacekeeping activities and UN peacekeepers, and UN workers.– it's unclear to me what is meant to be conveyed here. It seems borderline trivial, though perhaps there is something I am missing?
Hollywood established an early relationship with the UN during its inception.is ambiguous—it refers to the UN's inception rather than Hollywood's, but could be parsed either way by a reader unfamiliar with the topic. Try to rephrase it.
Hollywood and other European film centersseems to incorrectly imply that Hollywood is a European film center.
The synergy between the world of cinema and the UN– "synergy" has a very specific meaning, namely that the combined effect of two (or more) things is greater than the sum of their individual effects. Is it really the right word to use here?
In the award-winning film The Glass Wall (1953)– MOS:PUFFERY.
Of all the films of the period featuring the UN, the one to have perhaps best survived in popular culture is Alfred Hitchcock's North by Northwest (1959).– "survived" is an odd word to use here and "perhaps" seems like editorializing. More pressingly, this assessment of pop-cultural longevity needs to come from the sources (it is not verified by the first cited source after this sentence, a few sentences later).
In the film, the protagonist (Roger) travels– saying "protagonist Roger" seems more natural than "the protagonist (Roger)", but referring to characters by first name only is rather nonstandard, so it should probably be "protagonist Roger Thornhill" (and just "Thornhill" for any subsequent mentions).
Hitchcock was allegedly not allowed to film inside the UN building– why "allegedly"? The cited source doesn't use that qualifier. Is this a matter under dispute?
had to publicly protest in 1955 due to the difficulty of obtaining a passport due to anti-UN sentiment– avoid saying "due to" twice in a single sentence.
accusation of being a Communist fellow traveler– why the capital C? The next paragraph says
accusing the UN of being a communist frontwith a minuscule c.
CBS declined to participate citing that it would violate CBS policy– suggest "their policy" instead.
the United Nations television film series, which aired four television films– I'm fairly certain that the film series did not air the films. This is also a terribly redundant phrasing.
Done. This may require your attention, as I lengthened the sentence quite a bit to also accomodate the concerns raised below. It now reads: The depiction of the UN in the 1960s was significantly impacted the United Nations television film series. Set to be aired to an American audience, the series comprised four television films which portrayed the United Nations– Pilaz (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ultimately only leaving ABC to air the UN film series– this reveals a rather unfortunate WP:AMERICENTRIC bias—what about all television networks outside of the US? The explanation is of course that this was from the outset a US project, but the article neglects to mention that rather important fact. "the UN film series" is also a somewhat conspicuous phrasing to use when simply "the series" or "the films" would do.
Done. Added Set to be aired to an American audience,to the second paragraph, and added
in the United Statesafter
ultimately only leaving ABC to air the UN film series. Please let me know if this is redundant. Also changed
the UN film seriesto
the seriesto avoid redundancy. Pilaz (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Set to be aired to an American audienceand
in the United Statesis a bit redundant, but they are far enough apart in the paragraph that I find it to be acceptable within WP:Good article standards. TompaDompa (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All four movies received mixed reviews; in spite of this, The Poppy Is Also a Flower [...] won one Emmy Award and was released to theaters in Europe and the United States.– there are three parts to this that are all unsourced: (1) all movies receiving mixed reviews, (2) The Poppy Is Also a Flower winning an Emmy and being released to theaters, and (3) "in spite of this".
Done. (1) is an assessment made at United Nations television film series#Critics' response, reproduced under WP:SUMMARIZE. (2) and (3) are now cited to the same sources of United Nations television film series#Critics' response. The sentence now reads: All four films received mixed reviews; The Poppy Is Also a Flower won one Emmy Award for best supporting actor, and the film was released to theaters in Europe.I have also added an additional citation which verifies that the production won one Emmy Award for best supporting actor. Pilaz (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
co-written by Ian Fleming and directed by Terence Young, who had previously directed several James Bond films– it's a bit odd to mention Young's connection to James Bond but not Fleming's. On the other hand, why mention this aspect at all?
UN narcotics agents on the hunt against a heroin distributor– hunt for, not against.
The United Nations also find their place– treated as plural here but singular elsewhere. I'm fairly certain it should be singular. This is also not a particularly encyclopaedic way of phrasing it.
On the inclusion of Superman's speech at the UN, the Christian Science Monitor quipped: "even superheroes like media attention".– the name of the newspaper needs proper capitalization and italics, but why is their quip included here when only sourced to the newspaper itself?
Needs discussion. Italics and proper capitalization corrected. I've changed the sentence to In a review, The Christian Science Monitor belittled the speech at the United Nations by comparing it to superheroes wanting media attention., which I think is a bit more explicit than the previous sentence, but I'm eager to hear feedback on this (the CS Monitor review reads:
He makes a speech to the United Nations (even superheroes like media attention), and then carries out his plan.) I think this comment criticizes the inclusion of the UN in the film by equating it to a press release. I don't disagree with the assessment, I just think that it's a worthy comment about the representation of the UN in this film. Pilaz (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As the world transitioned from a bipolar to a multipolar order after the end of the Cold War, the United Nations saw a revival of its functions, with depictions of the organization proliferating.– this is the kind of WP:ANALYSIS that really needs to come from the sources.
The 2000s, in particular, saw a multiplication of films depicting the UN.– "multiplication" is an odd word to use here. If the intended meaning is "increase", say that instead. This also needs to be sourced properly.
Of note is the first film ever allowed to film on UN grounds, Sydney Pollack's political thriller The Interpreter (2005).– let the facts speak for themselves. Saying that this is "of note" is MOS:EDITORIALIZING.
The film notably casts a UN interpreter– "casts"? Also MOS:NOTABLY.
The United Nations setting earned broadly positive reviews– this needs to be backed up with sourcing that verifies this general assertion, rather than (as is currently the case) just examples of such reviews.
Rolling Stone noted– MOS:SAID. I would also link Rolling Stone (and the same goes for Variety (magazine) later on).
its film debut — a smashing one — in The Interpreter– normalize dashes per MOS:CONFORM.
with A.O. Scott deploring that ethnic conflicts and geopolitical alliances were not touched upon by the film, preferring instead to limit the exposition of the UN to its architecture– "deploring" is a rather strong phrasing. The current phrasing also says that Scott is the one preferring to limit the exposition in this way, rather than the film.
Caryn James questioning why the UN was needed in the first place, as it adds "little except self-importance" to the film– this puts James' opinion in WP:WikiVoice.
Other reviewers echoed– "echoed"? This is followed by quotes from the "other reviewers" in question.
"the lack of disappointingly slim grasp of UN life"– this is a misquote. The source says "we get a disappointingly slim grasp of U.N. life."
and the fact that the movie was "so lofty as if it were made to be screened at the United Nations".– that's not a fact, that's an opinion. This is also a misquote; the source says "The Interpreter is so lofty it feels as if it were made to be screened at the United Nations."
The seemingly controversial political satire The Dictator (2012)– "seemingly controversial"?
The role of the UN in the Rwandan genocide and Bosnian genocide, where the UN sent blue helmets but failed to prevent the violence– "X did Y but failed to Z" needs a source making that same point.
References must be cited in context and on topic.TompaDompa (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the 2001 Oscar-winning Bosnian film No Man's Land– up to this point, the years for films have consistently been given in parentheses rather than as descriptors, so this rather sticks out. "Oscar-winning" should be removed.
the New York Times– The New York Times.
the Academy-nominated Hotel Rwanda (2004)– "Academy-nominated" is a nonstandard term. Assuming that it refers to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the term should either be "Academy Award-nominated" or "Oscar-nominated", but this is of course another example of MOS:PUFFERY that should be removed altogether.
the UN commander's representation has been criticized as historically inaccurate– the source says "Another historical inaccuracy in the film concerns its portrayal of the leader of the UNAMIR mission. In Hotel Rwanda, he is Colonel Oliver, a fictional character based on Lieutenant General Romeo Dallaire." To my eye, describing that as criticizing historical inaccuracy is overly strong phrasing. The section on historical accuracy begins with "The history of the peoples of Rwanda and its neighboring countries is complex and disputed, so inevitably this movie contains some simplifications." That's acknowledging historical inaccuracy, but hardly criticizing it. Saying that the source criticizes the representation of the UN commander as historically inaccurate while omitting that the source describes the commander as a fictional character based on a real one is to my eye straight-up misrepresenting what the source says.
the films contrasts the impotence of Dallaire with the unused potential that the UN had in affecting the genocide and saving lives, among other actors– "among other actors"?
sheds light on the trauma– unencyclopaedic phrasing.
a Bosnian UN translator– Bosniak seems much more relevant than Bosnian, though the cited source doesn't verify either.
UN field workers and peacekeepers have also become increasingly the protagonists of their own films beyond genocide.– this is the kind of WP:ANALYSIS that really needs to come from the sources.
The UN has continued to progressively open its locations to representation by the film industry.– source?
The United Nations Office at Vienna was chosen as the location for the signature of the Sokovia Accords, in Captain America: Civil War (2016), which is bombed during the signing of the Accord putting the Avengers under UN authority.– this needs copyediting for grammar and readability.
The UN subsequently became the subject of several pieces exploring its role– I had to look at the sources to figure out what this was trying to say (namely that real-world think pieces weighed in on which role the UN should play in the fictional world of the movie). The sentence needs to be rewritten for clarity.
mirroring the factions of the film– if you're going to say that the think pieces mirrored the factions of the film, you need a source that explicitly says that the think pieces mirrored the factions of the film.
The academic-oriented international law blog Opinio Juris– "academic-oriented international law blog"? Opinio Juris (blog) should probably be linked if it isn't deleted.
in his quality of king of Wakanda– in his capacity as?
Early years: 1945–1960,
Pushback, gridlock and Cold War: 1960–1991, and
The multipolar years: 1991–present) a standard one used by sources on cinematic depictions of the UN? TompaDompa (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The headquarters of the UN as depicted in the 1959 film North by NorthwestofAlfred Hitchcock– the title should be in italics, and "of" should be "by". TompaDompa (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Documentaries about the United Nations frequently document the work of individuals within the organization, the peacekeeping activities of the United Nations, or ridicule the organization.– source?
Needs discussion Do you want me to source this statement to the television series described later in this section, since this is a descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge, per WP:PRIMARY? Happy to drop the
frequentlyif necessary. Pilaz (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Changes in bold: My Year With Helen follows the unsuccessful bidofHelen Clark to become the first female UN Secretary-General.Pilaz (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
whereas Cahal McLaughlin, Siobhán Wills's It Stays with You: Use of Force by UN Peacekeepers in Haiti (2017) investigates [...]– this is ungrammatical and difficult to parse. Is it supposed to say that (1) the film by McLaughlin and Wills investigates, (2) that McLaughlin investigates in the film by Wills, or (3) something else?
Done. Rephrased in order to clarify that the subject of the sentence is the documentary: whereas the documentary It Stays with You: Use of Force by UN Peacekeepers in Haiti (2017) of Cahal McLaughlin and Siobhán Wills investigates civilian deaths at the hands of UN peacekeepers in Cité Soleil, Haiti, between 2004 and 2007.Pilaz (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the documentary U.N. Me, influenced by Sacha Baron Cohen's interviewing techniques– all three cited sources make comparisons to Michael Moore and only one to Sacha Baron Cohen. Why is Cohen mentioned here but not Moore?
Done. It would make more sense to have Moore than Cohen mentioned in the article indeed, but going back to one of your recurring questions: why bother mentioning this? Removed influenced by Sacha Baron Cohen's interviewing techniques, since this removal doesn't negatively impact the article. Pilaz (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Needs discussion. I only see THR Staff listed as author under the byline. Is 1) the author named somewhere else, 2) is it a punctuation problem, or 3) does THR Staff need to be removed since it is not an identifiable physical person? Pilaz (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
offers a critique of the United Nations through the travels of its filmmakers, who seek to expose its shortcomings and scandals– the first "its" refers to the film and the second "its" to the UN. Try to rephrase to avoid this.
Done. Paraphrased.the United Nations and the United States, where the protagonists hail from– is this meant to say that the protagonists hail from the UN and the US?
Israeli-Palestinian conflict– Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
The circumnavigation of the UN Security Council– circumvention?
the misrepresentation of the role of the UN Secretary-General– in what way?
Done. Added, in parenthesis: (who is implied to be in control of the peacekeeping operation)Pilaz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the role of UN peacekeepers "botching" their mission in Rwanda is a subject of scrutiny– who is this quoting and why? This expresses the viewpoint that they mismanaged their assignment, using informal and somewhat inflammatory language in quotation marks, without attribution.
Done – rephrased to in particular, the shortcomings of the UN peacekeeping mission in Rwanda are a subject of scrutiny.Both sources mention this: The Guardian less directly (
one particularly harrowing scene involving UN peacekeepers shows that honourable intentions are not the same as fair and just results., with the A.V. Club being much more explicit (
There’s very little wrongdoing that Black Earth Rising doesn’t attempt to address, from the United Nations botching its peacekeeping mission in Rwanda) Pilaz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Animated cartoons– is there any other kind?
Needs discussion. Yes, non-animated cartoons? Cartoons aren't always animated according to Cartoon, and Animation also has the term cartoon bolded in the lead. Animated cartoon seemed like a good compromise to me at the time. I know we have comic books as a subsequent section, but I wonder if readers will expect comic books to be under cartoons. Any thoughts about how to best go forward on this? Animation perhaps, or just simply cartoons? Pilaz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the United Nations play an important role as they are depicted– treated as plural again.
wiping off humanity's dignitaries– wiping out?
In the superhero cartoon series Young Justice, the Justice League is forced to deal with UN sanctions, as control over the United Nations remains an important theme throughout the series, and is also hampered by the election of nemesis Lex Luthor– "as" control remains an important theme? Who or what is hampered? This needs copyediting.
Done. I split the sentence in two, and added one Polygon piece. The passage now reads: Throughout the superhero cartoon series Young Justice, the Justice League is forced to deal with UN sanctions and to struggle for influence over the United Nations. The Justice League is also hindered by the election of nemesis Lex Luthor to the position of UN Secretary-General.Pilaz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the election of nemesis Lex Luthor to the position of United Nations Secretary-General– this is the seventh time the Secretary-General is mentioned in the article. Not linking the term until here seems rather late.
the Isaac Asimov short story Shah Guido G– titles of short stories are presented in "quotes", not italics, and Isaac Asimov should definitely be linked.
one of the leaders of the expedition on Mars recalls his counterparts to their duty, stating that their will is dictated by the United Nations, which represents 10 billion people, versus the ten thousand that they represent– "recalls his counterparts to their duty"?
Unsurprisingly, extraterrestrials often expect– don't use "unsurprisingly". A more relevant link than extraterrestrials would be Extraterrestrial intelligenceorExtraterrestrials in fiction (take your pick).
the UN is defined as "alienating, oppressive and militaristic"– "defined"?
the world currency has become the UN dollar; and the organization overcharges– using a semicolon here does not seem correct to me.
in French sci-fi novelneeds a definite article.
the UN votes adopts a law to kill newborns– anacoluthon.
at times capable of raising armies– I would parse "at times" as "some of the time in a given work", though the intended meaning is presumably "in some works". "Sometimes" or "occasionally" would be better.
The architecture of the Assembly also leaves characters divided: admirative for some, and disenchanted for other.– I'm not sure what this is trying to say. Also, the last word should be plural.
More often than not, the Secretary-General mirrors the real world, in that it is represented as a male or female political figure with a nationality, ranging from the idealist to the cynic.– as opposed to what? Also, the last two definite articles should be indefinite ones.
Finally, science fiction depictions of the United Nations depict it as a bureaucratic institution, as a corrupt institution, and underline its legal formalism.– is this generally true, or should there be a qualifier along the lines of "some"?
depict it as a bureaucratic institution, as a corrupt institution, and underline its legal formalism.– is this three different ways of depicting it or three different aspects of the same depiction (or something else entirely)? Either way, it needs copyediting for clarity.
Dick, Barjavel and Dantec describe the organization as a bureaucracy.– maybe there's something I'm missing, but this seems rather trivial?
In Dick, Bordage and Dantec, UN officials engage in acts of corruption– if this is true of multiple works by these authors, write "In the works of", and if it applies to specific works that have already been mentioned, give the titles. Either way, avoid the metonymy of using the author's name to mean their works.
in Haldeman's Forever War, the only way to make the organization incorruptible would be to automate it, depriving it of its humanity.– this is rather unclear. Does this assertion come from the book itself or is it analysis of the book?
Beyond science-fiction, other representations– it is debatable whether "science fiction" should have a hyphen when used attributively (e.g. "science-fiction novel"), but it should not have one when used as a stand-alone term.
other representations of the UN have also seen the light in fiction– "seen the light" is not exactly the most encyclopaedic phrasing.
the protagonist works for the League of Nations, the predecessor of the United Nations– I would link League of Nations, but why is this included at all? This is not actually about the UN.
offers a fictional critique of the organization– what is meant by "a fictional critique" in this context?
offers through fiction insights– clunky wording.
Iron Man is seen giving a speech at the United Nations– what about it?
the UN disavows the Avengers' charter– this is entirely devoid of context that would make it understandable to anyone not already familiar with this storyline.
an incredibly powerful corporation– don't use "incredibly".
given that the "world's problems" have been "outsourced" to him– overuse of direct quotes. Paraphrase instead.
Done. Split in two sentences, removed direct quotes, paraphrased, added two sources to support the description of the organization he heads, and the fact that he is granted a seat at the Security Council: InCall of Duty: Advanced Warfare (2014), game nemesis Jonathan Irons, leader of the world's largest private military company, is granted a seat at the UN Security Council. In a speech to the UN, he declares the organization obsolete due to the world having delegated its problems to him.Pilaz (talk) 10:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Rephrased and inserted at the end of the first paragraph (as opposed to its own paragraph): The protagonist of Deus Ex, JC Denton, similarly works for the fictional United Nations Anti-Terrorist Coalition (UNATCO), a militant police force which is prominently featured throughout the game.
United Nations later released a second album, featuring the United Nations's cease-and-desist letters on its cover.– I would replace the first "United Nations" with "The band" and remove the second one outright (leaving "[...] featuring the cease-and-desist letters [...]").
the band's lead singer stated that the UN official who was behind the lawsuit had been recently fired– what of it? Why are we repeating what appears to be hearsay here?
Done Removed. Although contextually interesting and properly sourced per WP:NPOV (biased sources are not inherently disallowed based on bias aloneand WP:SUBSTANTIATE, this sentence does not significantly improve the understanding of the representation of the United Nations in popular culture. Removing it does not degrade the article, so I'm happy to remove it. Pilaz (talk) 09:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
@Pilaz: I'm putting this on hold. The list of issues above is not exhaustive, but a sample of issues I noted while reading through the article. I anticipate that bringing this up to WP:Good article standards will take a lot of time and effort on both our parts (I would have to take a much more thorough look at the sources, for one thing). I have a few different things—both on Wikipedia and off—that I would like to spend time on, so I want to know how to prioritize my time. If you are willing and able to commit large amounts of time and effort to improving this article in the near future, please indicate so and address this first batch of issues I have brought up. Otherwise, I will close this nomination as unsuccessful in about a week or so (in which case the article can of course be re-nominated at any time). TompaDompa (talk) 23:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TompaDompa: Hello TompaDompa, thank you for the GA review. I'll be going through your points in the next few hours, and will ping you again once I have addressed those. Pilaz (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More than a week has passed and several major issues remain unresolved. I'm closing this as unsuccessful. I have added strikethrough markup to resolved issues, replied to some of your comments, and added a couple of additional issues I spotted. I will also add some maintenance templates to the article itself.
The core issue that permeates this article is that it does not read like a Wikipedia article. Rather, it reads more like a secondary source. This is not trivially fixable, because it is not merely a question of individual sentences being problematic. There are several components to this, one being the writing style/language use, the many WP:Words to watch in particular. It comes across as persuasive writing, for lack of a better term. An essay or assignment, perhaps. Another is sources being used to verify facts without proper consideration for context or relevance. As WP:No original research says, References must be cited in context and on topic.
I've brought up a couple of examples above, such as the Emmy for The Poppy Is Also a Flower and The role of the UN in the Rwandan genocide and Bosnian genocide, where the UN sent blue helmets but failed to prevent the violence [...]
. I would expect sources to be used in this way somewhere where original thought is allowed or even encouraged. Again, perhaps an essay/assignment. Yet another component is the very construction of the article. To a large extent, it consists of examples that neither come from sources on the overarching topic nor serve as examples to illustrate analysis from such sources. In some cases the analysis is absent, in some unsourced, and in some sourced to sources on the examples themselves. I said before that it's plain to see that quite a bit of research went into this, and I stand by that. However, the research appears to have mainly focused on reviewing sources on individual examples, rather than surveying the literature on the overarching topic. The end result is that this article looks more like a source we should be citing for a Wikipedia article than a Wikipedia article in itself.
The article needs to be based on sources on the overarching topic of the article (or at least major aspects thereof—I haven't looked into it in detail, but Sluga and Hajjami seem like adequate sources for this purpose). Sources on the examples (i.e. individual depictions) can absolutely be used to supplement sources on the overarching topic (a good example of how this can be done: North by Northwest is used as an example on the basis of being discussed in a source on the overarching topic, while the source for the sentence Hitchcock was not allowed to film inside the UN building [...]
is a source on North by Northwest itself), but they cannot serve as the basis for the article. The essay WP:CARGO explains this fairly well.
This may be renominated at any time (as discussed above, preferably in the "Language and literature" category), though if that is done before the issues above have been resolved it will of course qualify for a WP:QUICKFAIL. TompaDompa (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
