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On 6 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from List of United States Ambassadors appointed by Joe BidentoList of ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden. The result of the discussion was moved.

Even though Biden is keeping on the Trump appointee John Sullivan, shouldn't Russia be listed in the table at least?

Hey so at first glance the nominees who have been highlighted red looks like their nominations were rejected since red has that connotation. I feel that the color for "Confirmed appointees who are Career Members of the Senior Executive Service" should be one of a more positive/less confusing color like blue or gold since red has been used in Joe Biden's political appointees as officials whose nomination was rejected by the senate. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that pink is confusing. Gold seems to be used in other appointment lists for acting appointees though. White is apparently is used in the Trump ambassador list for Senior Foreign Service appointees, but is also confusing as it denotes appointees who do not require senate confirmation in other Biden appointment lists. A related issue: currently the appointees in pink are all Senior Foreign Service, instead of Senior Executive Service as described in the color key. However, the only SES appointee confirmed (Ostfield) is in green. So two new color schemes are actually needed, one for SES and one for SFS. --Sierra1000 (talk) 10:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sierra1000: How about light purple and blue? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just an observation: recent State Department official portraits seem to have a blue background, so it may need to be light blue. --Sierra1000 (talk) 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sierra1000: Of course, I meant to say light pink and light blue. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the move request was: Moved to List of ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden: Discussion has established removing the "United States" qualifier should be part of the move. (non-admin closure) Spekkios (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States Ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden → List of United States ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden – Per MOS:JOBTITLES, here 'ambassadors' acts as the name of an office, not as a title, so it should not be capitalized. Frenzie23 (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden per WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE. Unlike "United States Attorney", "United States Ambassador" is not a title and not a proper noun. There is no need for "United States" either as a part of the ambassadors' title or for disambiguation, since all ambassadors appointed by Biden are naturally ambassadors of the United States. Station1 (talk) 07:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps "United States" is not needed in the title, but "List of" most certainly is, as this is clearly a list-class article. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: As proposed, referencing MOS:JOBTITLES. List of ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden would work for me too. He isn't appointing any other country's ambassadors, but it should probably follow the format of similar lists. SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:10, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support (and remove unnecessary precision): It should not be capitalised when plural (per kings of France example at MOS:JOBTITLES). Per Station1, "United States" is unnecessary over-precision and the title should be made more concise. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS:Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (lists), they are conventionally formatted "List of X" but this is not mandatory. It would be more concise without it and plural "ambassadors" clearly indicates that it is a list.Cinderella157 (talk) 00:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All list article titles would be more concise without the standard "List of" formatting. That's not a good argument against using it. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• MovetoList of ambassadors appointed by Joe Biden. It is a list and Biden doesn't appoint ambassadors from any other country. Not any form of official title, so doesn't need capitalisation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support the switch to lowercase, neutral on dropping the United States part.--Woko Sapien (talk) 22:22, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The ambassador to Colombia is missing. Dlambe3 (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Russia is not in Europe its in Asia. 2600:6C5E:5B3F:D0E0:88CD:C845:340C:DFB5 (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]