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One street or two?

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It seems odd to describe West Broadway as being two streets. Is Broadway two streets because it's interrupted by Union Square? Nareek (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This NYPL map shows disagreement with Moscow. Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2017 (UTC)Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, you're saying that Moscow says its called "College Place" between Barclay and Nurray, and the map shows it being called "College Place" between (at least) Barclay and Chambers? Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:43, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the text, see what you think. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems Moscow was right. The best summary I have found is:

Chapel Street. [] This name refers to the chapel of King's College. It was used by 1767 for what is now West Broadway from Barclay to Reade Street. As the city grew, the street and the name were extended to Canal Street. In 1831 the two blocks of Chapel Street between Murray and Barclay Streets were renamed College Place. For nearly 20 years thereafter, mapmakers and directory publishers appear to have been confused over which name to use and how much of the street it applied to. Chapel Street was gone by 1850, superseded by College Place from Barclay to Chambers Streets and by West Broadway from Chambers to Canal Streets.… College Place. [] A former name for what is now West Broadway from Barclay to Canal Streets. It originally (1831) applied to what had been the two blocks of Chapel Street between Barclay and Murray Streets. By the 1850s College Place appears to have supplanted Chapel Street as far north as Chambers Street. There it became West Broadway as far as Canal Street. College Place was merged into West Broadway in 1895. See also Laurens Street and Concord Street.

—Gilbert Tauber (compiler and annotator). "'C' Streets of New York". NYC Streets: A Guide to Former Street Names in Manhattan. Archived from the original on June 6, 2016. Retrieved February 12, 2017. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

The line, "A former name for what is now West Broadway from Barclay to Canal Streets," doesn't seem consistent with the rest. (By the way, the map, which may be irrelevant, is from 1852, not 1832.) Vzeebjtf (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. 1852 is after Moscow says that the entire street was renamed "West Broadway", so should the article be reverted to its original form? Or, let me make a change and see what you think. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article is fine for now. When I raised the issue I thought there was a simple answer, but it's more complicated than I realized. I will research the matter as time permits. Vzeebjtf (talk) 09:18, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk)

I have not been able to discover exactly when Chapel Street officially became West Broadway nor exactly when the two blocks between Murray and Chambers Street officially became part of College Place, but it looks like both Moscow and the 1852 map are correct; i. e., that the second change took place in between. The research has produced enough information, however, that I am able to draft a more detailed section, which I will post today or tomorrow, incorporating this conclusion. I hope you like it. Vzeebjtf (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I look forward to seeing it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me - good research. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Vzeebjtf (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]