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I noticed that these templates use different ways of ordering the IPA consonant symbols:

• some are row by row according to the standard IPA table
• others are alphabetic, with special symbols arranged by likeliness to letters

Would it be better to align all to one way? And how about the vowels? I tend to go for alphabetic ordering, because these templates are meant for easy lookup by non-experts, who are not likely to recognise the logic of the IPA table ordering.

Another way to improve overview for Italian and Russian might be to split off a column in the consonant table for the doubled/palatalised symbols. That way there is more chance that the whole help page would fit on one screen.

−Woodstone (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on alphabetic ordering. In regards to Italian, I'm wondering if the doubled entries can't be eliminated and instead a note saying that all consonants but [blank] can be doubled. As for Russian, could you show a sample of what you mean? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 10:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I mean like this:

−Woodstone (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have started aligning the IPA help pages. I saw that some use bolded IPA symbols. That is unusual and may hamper seeing them clearly. I propose to make them not bold, but slightly bigger than the normal font. Then the rule set could be:

• IPA symbols centered, <big>, not bold
• IPA symbols ordered alphabetically, slotting in special symbols with similar letters (as in help:IPA)
• example words left aligned, not italic, rendered letters bolded
• place footnotes only in the example column (to avoid misalignment)
• use double column if major pairing of symbols occurs (doubles in Italian, palatilisation in Russian)
• transparent background in outer table

−Woodstone (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IPAhelp2col has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DePiep (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Arabic, Catalan, Valencian, Chinese and German need wikilinking. Sicilian might be part of Italian item/entry. --5.43.73.144 (talk) 13:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Equating a standard variety with the entire language would be stepping on thorny grounds and is better avoided. Especially Mandarin with Chinese. "Dialects" in Help:IPA/Italian dialects refers to varieties of the Italian language, not Italo-Dalmatian languages. Nardog (talk) 14:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zhuang and Kurdish are for bracketing after Chinese and Turkish, former and latter is order... --5.43.73.144 (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They are not. They don't even share a language family. Nardog (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the template to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IPA keys → Template:IPA keys help-pages – Current title for template is misleading, actually wrong while transcluded in Help: namespace and as whole–check content and compare it with title-/template title vs template items/entries meaning plus content of those help pages/ 5.43.73.144 (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. We have a number of navigation templates, like {{Basic information}}, {{List navbox}}, and {{Writing guides}}, that do not indicate non-main-namespace use by name alone. And the nomination rationale is barely intelligible. Nardog (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello Mister, there is No Sinhala IPA(Help:IPA/Assamese) page in wikipedia, to expand the knowledge of sinhala language we need to create a Sinhala IPA page, so allow us to create Sinhala ipa page Hiniya (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Be bold. Nardog (talk) 10:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Brother Please, Allow me to to add "Help:IPA/Sinhala" in "Template:IPA keys" it will enhance the learning of Sinhala language Hiniya (talk) 10:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have to first create it. Nardog (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]