Hello, Carystus, concerning this edit and this subsequent edit.1) in your edit, I felt there was too much chemical detail for the lede per MOS:LEAD and 2) the 'closely related' compounds are unsourced (as well as not being appropriate for the lede). It would be useful if you wrote a Chemistry subsection following the lede. --Zefr (talk) 01:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Zefr. About the closely related compounds, the were there in the lede before my edit, I only introduced the term seco-iridoid. You can have a point in that the chemical relations could have it's own section, but the raison d'être for my edit was to improve on the existing, as I found it to be negligent that there was no mention of it being a seco-iridoid, and I also find it wrong to state, as the article does now, that it is a tyrosol derivative, which it is not. These substances are in general not tyrosol derivatives, but phenethyl alcohol derivatives. I also felt it could be said in a more coherent way, which I offered. The article was very short before my edit, and not much longer after; if I had made a separate section for chemistry, there would be no lede left, and I had no intention to make a major contribution to the article. In general, a brief chemical overview is not misplaced in the lede of a chemical substance; it is rather a problem that the lede is so short, so it appears to focus on chemistry only. We have the process backwards, because the lede should be the head of a body, an introduction to the article proper, but the latter has not been written. My suggestion is, the article is reverted back to my edit with addition of your contribution, the leaching using lye, and a call for an expansion of the article. I will take it upon me to find a source for the related compounds. Carystus (talk) 13:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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As for the recent reverted edits of Jörmungandr, gandr meaning beast essentially only appears in Vanagandr (Fenrir) and no one knows why. Old Norse gandr is otherwise used as described in the Jörmungandr article, something often elonggated with relation to a living essence or magic etc etc, often a magic staff or similar. Gandr meaning beast is just an empty guess in an attempt to explain Vanagandr. Its possible Vanagandr is a post viking age title simply meaning heathen magic thing or creature. Interestingly fenrir is depicted as a snake wolf on the Gosforth Cross. Blockhaj (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]