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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Richard Kline. This edit appears to constitute vandalism, and has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I noted your addition of US$atWollaston Unitarian Church. I think this represents a clear case of overlinking.

"An article is said to be overlinked if it links to words that can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia. Overlinking should be avoided, because it makes it difficult for the reader to identify and follow links that are likely to be of value."

I don't think any reader would believe that the purchase price of a building in the United States was in anything other than US dollars. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 15:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC) (if you choose to respond, please do so here.)[reply]

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Proofreading would be useful, but I suppose people shrink back from committing themselves, because this "stuff" supposes they are up to the complex subject matter. Just an educated guess... Aflis (talk) 22:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note about the term commonwealth, which you changed on Virginia today. The state is officially termed the Commonwealth of Virginia, a designation it shares with Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts. So before you change it on those pages, I wanted to point out that its part of the name, and as a proper noun, gets capitalized. The analogy I've used when this has come up before is with Washington, D.C. and referring to it as "the District", which also gets capitalized. Thanks, and keep up the good work!-- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 20:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC) Thanx, but that is incorrect. See the Wikipedia MoS. In the same way that "state" is not capitalized in the phrase "the state of Montana", the word "commonwealth" should not be capitalized in the phrase "the common wealth of Virginia". Unfortunately, the states, and many cities in the U.S., like to capitalize those words ... I think it's a form of self-agrandizement. In the same way that "Johnny lives in the city (not City) of Boston, he also lives in the commonwealth (not Commonwealth) of Massachusetts." See also: http://depts.washington.edu/engl/askbetty/faq.php CopperSquare 03:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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InWP:Job titles, it says "The correct formal name of an office can be treated as a proper noun, so it is correct to write "Louis XVI was the French king" or "Louis XVI was King of France". Exceptions may apply for specific offices.". It would appear that the full name of the office applies as the formal name; am I misreading it?

Furthermore, you decapped "state of Utah", yet that is its formal name, just as you wouldn't write someone as being from the "kingdom of Spain". They're from the Kingdom of Spain, and this is about the State of Utah. --Golbez (talk) 23:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to the MoS that I refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Titles_of_people

While this example is redundant, this should illustrate the idea:

Q: "Who is the governor of Utah?"

A: "That position is held by Governor Smith."

CopperSquare 23:16, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the capitalization of "state", type in the question "Should state be capitalized?" on Google, and you'll find numerous sources showing ::that state should not be capitalized. To try to clarify:

I live in the state of Utah. (correct)

I live in the State of Utah. (Incorrect. Somehow it would indicate that I live inside a government building.)

The states like to capitalize the word "state" when referring to themselves, although it is incorrect. There are a few instances, such as in legal ::writings in courts or by lawyers, where it is appropriate to capitalize State/City/etc; however, that is highly specialized writing which is also not normal English usage.

Does that help? :) Would you mind RVing your RVs?

CopperSquare 23:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Copper, please indent so people can follow the conversation.

Copper is thinking both the description and title should be treated the same. Also, from the very top of MOS:CAPS. "Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is a proper noun; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in sources are treated as proper nouns and capitalized in Wikipedia."

The title or position is capitalized (proper noun)... The Governor of Utah presided over

The description is not capitalized (adjective like/description)... He was a two-term governor of Utah.

General rule of thumb. If the title is stand alone or before a person's name, it is capitalized. If it after a person's name, it is lower case.

The State or state of is more complicated. It is often misused in journalistic circles and on Wikipedia.

When talking about official powers of an entity, then it is capitalized... The State of Utah jailed Bob Smith today.

When talking about the exact entity, it is also uppercase... I live in the State of Utah. Your reasoning above is incorrect. Utah is more than just government buildings. It is land, people, government, laws, etc. In this case you do live inside the State of Utah.

When talking about the entity in general terms, it is lower-cased.... The state of Utah has alot of Mormons.

See Chicago Manual of Style and Business writing among others.

So, lets see what Copper changed and if it should be capitalized or not.

The Governor of Utah is the head of the executive branch... It should be capitalized as that is position and proper noun.

appointed by the President of the United States... Should be capitalized as this is the title or position and proper noun.

There have been 17 governors of the State of Utah. "State" is capitalized because it is specifying the exact entity. "governor" is not capitalized as it talking in general terms and after the name (there).

Copper, please don't revert. It should stand as it was before you altered it. Please show specific examples and where they are located. If/When there is consensus, then changes will be made.

Bgwhite (talk) 07:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Part of this was my fault, by using the example of being 'from'. But when talking about the official entity of the state, it would seem proper to me to capitalize it, just as we would "Commonwealth of Virginia", "Islamic Republic of Iran", etc. If I were saying "The state of Utah has had x governors..." that would be fine. But to say "The State of Utah was admitted to the union..." would seem to demand the formal name, which is capitalized. As for the office, that link you give states: "The correct formal name of an office can be treated as a proper noun, so it is correct to write "Louis XVI was the French king" or "Louis XVI was King of France"." When writing about the subject of the article we are using the formal name, which is capitalized Governor of Utah. --Golbez (talk) 14:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are you aware that in British English "Government" as in British Government is a proper noun and should be capitalised. I only ask as frequently you seem to be changing it to lower case eg [1]. Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk 23:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Small blunder here, if you care to fix it. - 70.192.131.41 (talk) 22:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your style edits are well-taken except for the first: "State of New Hampshire" is its correct name, including the capital S. This is Wikipedia style; see the last bullet of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Institutions. Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Straight, not curly, apostrophes and quotes are preferred by MOS. You'll see this here. Please stop changing straight apostrophes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate, and thank you for your edits to Malleable Iron Range Company, why are you still replacing the straight apostrophes with curly ones? I had to manually undo the changes you made rather than reverting because I wanted to keep most of your other edits. Nyth83 (talk) 11:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I just want to let you know that I think you are wasting your time with the addition of unnecessary commas (ones which separate the subject and verb from the rest of the sentence just because of a proposition). I see nowhere in the manual of style where it states that what you are doing is correct or advised. - Hoops gza (talk) 01:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see now what you have been referring to in the MOS and I stand corrected. Sorry for the trouble. - Hoops gza (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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