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@CherryPie94: There's not much I can do at the moment. These edits aren't in line with Finrell ausi's editing pattern and the disruption isn't frequent enough to justify page protection. On a side note, can you please use the {{np}} template instead of linking disruptive users. By doing so, they get a notification of discussions about them and can learn to evade detection in the future by changing their behavior. ƏXPLICIT00:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
After being warned for edit warring, User:Lizzydarcy2008 is back again removing any negative text about the series and filling the top section with only praise. I'm tired of coming each day and fixing the page so that it is neutral (mentioning both positives and negatives). This editor re-added the puffery arguing "In any case, Korean industry insiders have already conceded that local viewership is not anymore a key metric in evaluating the success of Kdramas so talking too much about ratings here when there is already a Ratings section is redundant and excessive," which seems like original research, and saying the criticism is "making it appear Wikipedia is ramming that fact down readers' throats." See User_talk:CherryPie94#More_changes_to_The_King_Eternal_Monarch. Also User:Syntyche S might be sock puppet as they both try to claim that it is he most-watched Netflix K-drama in the world in 2020 and claiming the rating system has changed in Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_King:_Eternal_Monarch&diff=971976909&oldid=971971465CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 12:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I published my proposed changes to the second paragraph of this topic in its Talk page before I updated it. I have also discussed, several times in User:CherryPie94's Talk page, all the reasons I updated this topic, but it seems my reasons are being ignored. User:CherryPie94 is making me out to be a crazed fan which shows some bias. All I want is a FAIR page on this topic. I admit I admire this show which is why I looked it up on Wikipedia and was dismayed at the negative lean of this page. No other drama, even those that have incurred much higher production costs, have such information pointed out on the second paragraph. It is not even relevant anymore considering the production costs have been recouped even before the drama aired. And considering the production company's own words that their stunning second quarter performance is largely due to the success of this drama, repeating the discussion about the production costs in the second paragraph when it is already discussed in the Production section is not only unnecessary and excessive, it reeks of smear campaign. This topic, or any topic for that matter, deserves a page that is not sloppy and pathetic. The controversies and criticisms are already mentioned in the Reception and Controversy sections. As aforementioned, the production budget is already covered in the Production section as well as in the summary at the right side of the page. Finally, quoting newspapers just because they put the one word "hit" to describe the show is pathetic. I cringe whenever I read that sentence. Pages of other kdramas with second paragraphs before the Table of Contents usually just have a brief summary of how the drama performed. I have been reading encyclopedias even before I went to school (I started reading at four) and this page reads more like a tabloid than an encyclopedia. No topic deserves this.
Lizzydarcy2008 (talk) 17:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Lizzydarcy2008: "I published my proposed changes to the second paragraph of this topic in its Talk page before I updated it," you did not even wait for a few hours until other editors replied, that is not how things work on Wikipedia.
"And considering the production company's own words that their stunning second quarter performance is largely due to the success of this drama" Studio dragon never said that, that is a claim by Hancinema.
Also you say "Pages of other kdramas with second paragraphs before the Table of Contents usually just have a brief summary of how the drama performed" but then removed this well-source "brief summary of how the drama performed", "Despite hailing as one of the most anticipated series in the first half of 2020 due to its ensemble cast, renowned screenwriter, extensive publicity and more than 30 billion Won (US$25 million) production budget, the series received criticism for its screenplay, directing, editing, and various controversies leading to lower-than-expected TV viewership ratings in Korea. Contrary to that, the series has maintained the No.1 spot on the weekly Wavve drama chart for eight consecutive weeks since its first airing, and was termed as a "hit Netflix drama" by GMA News Online, and South China Morning Post also mentioned it as a "hit Korean drama series" due to its popularity overseas." and replaced it with this misquoted and badly sourced using the unreliable flixpetrol, "The drama maintained the No.1 spot on the weekly Wavve drama chart for eight consecutive weeks since it first aired. It ranked 9th in the World Ranking chart of Global Hallyu Issue Magazine vol.37, the only Korean drama in the global Top 10 list. [Unrliable as the data is from flixpetrol which was deemed unreliable by Wikipedia] It dominated the Top 10 lists in several countries including Hong Kong, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore while it was airing. [Unrliable as the data is from flixpetrol which was deemed unreliable by Wikipedia] Due to its international success, its producer, Studio Dragon, declared it likely deserving of most of the credit for the production company's record-breaking second quarter earnings. [Production company never said that, they just reported the numbers. Only 1 website claiming this and there is no way prove it is factual.]
If this is not only keeping the positive, then I don't know what is neutral and balanced articles are anymore. You make it seem like you only have an issue with the top paragraph, but you fail to mention that you deceivingly go between your many edits and change the wording of the criticism in the reception section to "surmised", "beset with controversies and criticisms" and "hounded by controversy and criticism" to discredit the criticism. Since you don't like the bad TV rating being mention, you remove everything claiming Korean don't rely on it, but then add that the series broke the record in its time slot (isn't that hypocrisy?). This proves that you don't accept anything negative on the page, claiming it is not fair (per your fan standers) and deliberately try to remove it. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 17:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I have tried to get the attention of those I thought could resolve this tug-of-war before and did not get a reply for months, so I figured people have more important things to do than babysit a page on a kdrama. I waited a day for response to my proposed changes to the second paragraph, not a few hours. When I did not get a reply, I arrived at the same conclusion Lizzydarcy2008 (talk)
And yet there is a negative quote by HanCinema in the Reception section. So, negative quotes are ok, but not positive quotes? Lizzydarcy2008 (talk)
Here is a well-sourced sentence, "Russia Approves Possible Coronavirus Vaccine Before Completing Clinical Trials" sourced from NYTimes, no less. But should we include it here because it is well-sourced? Being well-sourced is not the only criterion for including something here. The context matters. And I have pointed out several times why the discussion about production costs does not belong to the second paragraph. Lizzydarcy2008 (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Please see my note above about HanCinema the site that reported this. Also please see all my discussions about this page. Encyclopedia is about presenting facts about a topic. And the second paragraph should present the most important facts. I have already pointed out several times why production costs, at this point, have become a non-issue and therefore a discussion about them in Production section is adequate. Lizzydarcy2008 (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Lizzydarcy2008: No one removed your Hancinema statement, go read: On August 6, Studio Dragon announced their financial performance over the second quarter with a record-breaking 135 million dollars in total sales,[50] a 25.9% increase over the same period of time last year,[51] accrediting the boost to license sales of works such as Crash Landing on You, The King: Eternal Monarch, and It's Okay to Not Be Okay,[52] with Hancinema claiming, "'The King: Eternal Monarch' likely deserves most of the credit, as it is the only one of these dramas to have aired entirely during the second quarter." What I removed is you claiming Studio Dragon said that, which is false. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 18:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Lizzydarcy2008: If your issue is with the budget, we can easily remove it and keep: Despite hailing as one of the most anticipated series in the first half of 2020 due to its ensemble cast, renowned screenwriter,[10] and extensive publicity, the series received criticism for its screenplay, directing, editing, and various controversies leading to lower-than-expected TV viewership ratings in Korea.[13][14][15] Contrary to that, the series has maintained the No.1 spot on the weekly Wavve drama chart for eight consecutive weeks since its first airing,[17][18][19] with GMA News Online terming it as a "hit Netflix drama" due to its popularity overseas.[20] CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Lizzydarcy2008Here is a well-sourced sentence, "Russia Approves Possible Coronavirus Vaccine Before Completing Clinical Trials" sourced from NYTimes, no less. But should we include it here because it is well-sourced? That's a silly comparison. It's completely irrelevant to the article in discussion, why on Earth would it be mentioned? Alex (talk) 18:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Calling me deceptive for using more accurate words, e.g. "surmised" instead of "stated", clearly shows your bias. When IBTimes said that "the development of the plot, the editing, and the forced scenes were the reasons the series failed to increase its ratings", nobody could be sure why the ratings were low. Now, the low ratings have been largely attributed to the popularity of Netflix. Thus, the above sentence was not factual, i.e. IBTimes was surmising rather than stating a fact. I could have used "claim" as well, but I already used that term in an earlier sentence. All the criticisms were not factual, yet i kept them in the section, though the words "claimed", "opined", "observed", "noted" were more accurately used to indicate personal opinions. Had I really not wanted any negativity on this page, I would have removed the criticisms instead of improving their construction. Also, if I had just wanted positive comments on the page, I would not have proposed those statements claiming the drama to be a "hit" drama to be removed. I changed the construction of sentences and removed redundant phrases and sentences to reduce sloppiness.
The Hancinema article I mentioned was the one I proposed to put in the second paragraph. As you've said, the statement should be attributed to HanCinema, not Studio Dragon. I agree, and since a criticism from HanCinema is included in the Reception section, there is no reason why a statement from the same source cannot be included anywhere else in the page. This is the kind of important information relating to the drama that deserves to be in the second paragraph.
The construction of the second paragraph itself is off, it is jarring. Starting the second paragraph with "Despite" makes the reader wonder about the defensive tone. Add to that the "Contrary" sentence and you get a paragraph that sounds more like it belongs in a tabloid than in an encyclopedia. In keeping with the format of pages of most kdramas with second paragraphs, this should be brief, containing only the most relevant information about the drama's successes like the second paragraph of Crash Landing On You and Mr. Sunshine. A proposed text is, "The drama maintained the No.1 spot on the weekly Wavve drama chart for eight consecutive weeks since its first airing.[1][2][3]. It was an international success on Netflix and was reported to likely deserve most of the credit for the spectacular second-quarter earnings of its production company, Studio Dragon."[4]
The example about well-sourced sentences was an analogy to drive home the point that being well-sourced is not the only criterion for including a piece of information in the second paragraph. This is a summary section, meaning only the most important and relevant information should be in here.
Lizzydarcy2008 it is still a silly comparison. The article you mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with The King: Eternal Monarch so quite obviously would not have been mentioned just because it is reliably sourced. Alex (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: Lizzydarcy2008 means that even if criticism is well-sourced, is a fact, and is relevant to the topic, it should not be included because she doesn't like it. What nonsense it this. Since when is Wikipedia a fan website that censors anything that hurts the fans feelings and criticize a series. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 18:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee:@CherryPie94: CherryPie94, you are deliberately distorting what I have been trying to say since we started discussing this topic several months back and what I just wrote here. Please re-read all my comments. I said just because an item is well-sourced does not mean it should be in the second paragraph which is a summary section so only the most important pieces of information should be there. You can put those well-sourced items in their relevant sections. May I re-iterate, I just want this page to be FAIR to this topic, not a tool for a smear campaign. Look at the pages of other kdramas and see if there are others half as critical as this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizzydarcy2008 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Lizzydarcy2008 and CherryPie94: It would be great if you two could use the preview button before saving your edits instead of leaving me 42 notifications and clogging up the page history. You are in a content dispute, which requires dispute resolution. These issues should be raised on the article's talk page, not here. You can ask for a third opinion, take it to the dispute resolution noticeboard, or submit a request for comment (in that order if should it escalation be required). You two are currently edit warring, which can result in temporary blocks to both of your accounts for disruptive editing. Discuss before making your edits. Making changes preemptively will cost you in the long run. ƏXPLICIT06:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about the notification, I requested a third opinion and tried as much as I can to restructure and re-phrase the top sentence without censoring facts and keeping "but received lower-than-expected domestic TV viewership ratings due to criticism of its screenplay, directing, editing and various controversies" as the only negative statement. Also I finally got to work on adding mentions of the directors in the production section as they did not even have sources verifying their involvement anywhere on the page. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Deletion of photo Irene Lilenheim Angelico filming in the Negev
Hi Explicit,
I am just trying to navigete this complex Wiki system, so pease excsue this if its in the wrong place.
You deleted the photo I submitted, because there was not proof of copyright. But the photographer Toben Neidik , who was doing sound on our shoot in the Negev, has sent Wikipedia permission to use the photo since you wrote. Can you please reinstate it.
@Ireneangelico: Hi, has the photographer received any response to the email he sent to verify the permission? Specifically, they should have at least received an automatic response with a ticket number. This can help in sorting out the matter faster. ƏXPLICIT12:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Los Feliz Boulevard
I see you deleted an article by this name in November 2019. Could you 1) restore the article to my user space and 2) point me to the AfD that directed you to remove the article. Trackinfo (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
@Trackinfo: Hi, Los Feliz Boulevard was actually deleted as a resulted of an uncontested WP:PROD. There was no AFD discussion. I have restored it under its original title, but if you feel that it is best to be worked on in your userspace, please feel free to move the page there. ƏXPLICIT12:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Deletion of Sugar Boxx
Hi Explicit! You deleted Sugar Boxx right as I was finishing contesting the PROD. Would you mind if I restored it? I found enough sourcing to justify an AFD discussion at the very least. Thanks, Eddie891TalkWork12:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Explicit! I felt that it's more appropriate to address this concern about File:Emmanuel Pelaez.jpg on your talkpage than at UNDEL requests. Here is the concern:
File was deleted as unused non free photo. Nevertheless, per the upload log of its uploader, it was identified as coming from OVP (office of the vice president). To quote: "== Summary == Source: Office of the Vice President of the Philippines <br> http://www.ovp.gov.ph <br> Open to the public ==Licensing== {{PD-PhilippinesGov}}" Hence it is effectively PD as a work from the Philippine government and is 100% OK at Commons. I already moved one related file from the same uploader, File:Salvador laurel.jpg, to Commons, removing non-free templates, changing it to the relevant Commons PD license Commons:Template:PD-PhilippinesGov upon the transfer process (through FileExporter). I also added a note on File:Salvador laurel.jpg's talkpage on Commons to indicate the rationale behind its eligibility for PD as a work of the Philippine government.
I just wanted to thank you for handling the deletion of File:Sainte-Mère-Église Window 2a.jpg. As I had mentioned, I had reached out to the town's tourism bureau for information and not heard back. I was about to delete it but you had handled it. I'm sort of glad you did - I really enjoyed the trip and I was proud of that photo. I understand entirely why it had to go and it would have been tough to delete it myself.
The page ' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Freeman ' you monitored just got deleted before I started updating the proof of Dr. Joel Freeman's work and notability. He is now 66 years of age and most of what he has accomplished with the National Basketball Association (NBA) and other things happened back in the pre-digital era. So, therefore, his digital record is not as robust online as it should be. Kindly restore the page.
The K-12 Black History 365 curriculum is now gaining a lot of attention from public schools across America. And since Dr. Joel Freeman is the Co-Founder and Co-Writer of the curriculum, his name is associated with all of the recent online activity surrounding the curriculum. And they are planning a lot of future events that will show up online. This project can actually become one of the leading aspects of his profile.
The ISBN number for his books is ISBN:9780989850490 with the title "Black History 365: An Inclusive Account of American History (Texas Edition)".
IMPORTANT POINT: Mr. Joel Freeman has coauthored a Black History 365 textbook and curriculum for public schools across America. There are over 15,000 school districts in America. This curriculum is already being adopted by many schools across the country.
It's a major accomplishment. After putting in 12-16 hour days for 2+ years He has co-authored (with Dr. Walter Milton, Jr.) a 1,248-page textbook for 9th-12th Grades. Plus, they will have the K-8 curriculum ready for January 2021.
You can go to their website to get the right wording, but he is thinking that the main information on that page can be redirected to this Black History curriculum -- www.BH365.org
And here are some other links that corroborate the reality of the Black History 365 curriculum project :
The Black History 365 curriculum project is a comprehensive solution for the education gap in America.
BELOW ARE SIX ADDITIONAL LINKS with additional corroborated items to include in the biography:
You can check these 6 links to understand that he is an expert in Black History.........own a comprehensive Black history collection (3,000+ documents and artifacts, oldest piece is dated 1553......Documents and artifacts from his collection have been showcased at the United Nations, Clinton Presidential Library, US Department of Justice, White House Communications Agency, Secret Service......has co-written a book, Return To Glory with a foreword written by NBA star, Julius "Dr. J" Erving.... has developed a presentation titled: "A White Man's Journey Into Black History".....
[Copyrighted text redacted] ( www.FreemanInstitute.com/WMJstory.htm )
2.... United Nations exhibit (mentioned in second and fourth paragraphs...Joel Freeman of the Freeman Institute Black History Collection, Mr. Freeman, Freeman Institute Foundation)-- https://www.un.org/press/en/2011/note6296.doc.htm
@Amitbjadhav: Please do not directly cut and paste copyrighted text anywhere on Wikipedia. Doing so both violates policy and infringes on the author's work. I have removed the offending excerpts and hidden revisions from public view. This is a serious legal issue which can lead to an immediate block of your account should you commit the act again. I have restored the article upon your request in line with WP:CONTESTED. ƏXPLICIT00:10, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
@Explicit:, ¡muchas gracias por el borrado de "Latin American Spring"! Y perdón, no encontré -técnicamente- donde más dejarte mi agradecimiento. Cordiales saludos, --NewAngus (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
@Sumanuil: It became unused when the article was deleted in February. It was just an hour ago that the article was undeleted. I have gone ahead and restored the image as well. ƏXPLICIT00:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
ShakeDeal
Please restore ShakeDeal. ShakeDeal is one of the best B2B sourcing and selling platforms in India. Before Publishing I already have done multiple reviews to avoid promotional language. If you require any additional information or news references please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shameemadhikarath (talk • contribs) 19:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Explicit, Thankyou for the suggestion. I have edited the content. Before publishing can you have a look at it, please? I have copied the contents here. Also Please find more sources here. Many thanks, Regards Niclepo (talk) 11:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
He would you mind undeleting Elijah Olaniyi? He meets GNG and I'm sure he would pass an AfD. Thought it was on my watchlist but I guess it wasn't, as I would certainly have deprodded it. Thanks. ~EDDY(talk/contribs)~ 15:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Explicit! Image usage might as well be a foreign language to me, so any guidance is appreciated. Can you restore the image "File:James Henry York.jpg"? It was deleted because it was orphaned when the page it was on was draftified. I moved that article back to mainspace & was hoping you could restore it. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
James Gallagher now meets notability requirements for page creation
Hello Explicit. The page for the MMA fighter James Gallagher was deleted back in 2017 due to lack of notability. Looking at the guidelines for notability, it appears to me that those requirements are now met. Gallagher has now fought 8 times in Bellator, which is listed as a notable promotion. The creation of the page is currently locked. But as I understand it, with those requirements now being met, undeleting/re-creating is justified.
Hello! I am writing on behalf of Phase One Network. We noticed that you submitted deletion of our Wikipedia page and we would like it to be re-published or undone. We noted that the reason it was deleted was due to lack of significant coverage. Please see the below links to demonstrate our visibility on the internet. If you need further proof, please let us know.
You deleted this on 18 February 2020 on these grounds: Expired PROD, concern was: No evidence of notability and has been unreferenced since 2009.
I can appreciate the reasons for you making this decision at that time. Unfortunately there are not many contributors about solitaire games who are active editors; I'm working hard to correct that. So in this instance the issue isn't that this solitaire game isn't notable, the issue is rather that people in a position to verify notability aren't active on Wikipedia.
I can confirm that Salic Law is included in David Parlett's important book Penguin Book of Card Games on page 431. I have the book (and others like it) and am happy to include a reference to this when the Salic Law page can be restored.
I'm currently working on adding references to other solitaire games as well, and it would be good if this one could be restored, since it is covered in this and other works. Gregorytopov (talk) 10:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thank you! I've done a revision of the page, and included reference to the source. Thanks again for the speedy response! Gregorytopov (talk) 00:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Request for Undeletion of the Page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescendo_(Visual_Novel)
Hello,
Thanks for your review of the Wiki Page for Crescendo- Visual Novel. I noted that you mentioned in your comment for deletion as: "concern was: Article has had zero references, with ongoing notability concerns, since 2010. Google brings up nothing to suggest that this passes WP:GNG"
I looked at the web archive of this page, and agree with your concerns. I would like to place a request for an un-deletion. However, before posting a request, I wanted to state a few points for consideration:
1. Visual Novels are a niche genre, and hence while there is a lack of coverage of Visual Novels, Crescendo is a fairly well know and high rated among the Visual Novel Gamers. Here are a few places where it is covered:
Would request you to consider the request. I am happy to improve the restored article with references and notability so that it meets the Wiki Standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidvanhalen (talk • contribs) 05:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to request the reactivation of the Evan_Eckenrode Wikipedia article. There are a few main reasons for this. Evan is the only internet influencer with dwarfism and can provide immense information in regard to his situation. He has 130k follows on twitter, arguably one of the most followed persons with dwarfism. In the article entitled List_of_people_with_dwarfism he is listed amongst his peers (many who have less notoriety than himself) and there pages have not been deleted. The fact that he is in the category of persons that he is, its a very peculiar situation that has put him in the position he is.
I recently found two IP addresses which are used by a same person. 116.93.120.231 and 116.93.120.17. I also found that these IP addresses have made distruptive edits on Kim Soo-hyun's page : [1], [2]. I also suspect 123.215.16.234 to be used by the same user as their edits are very much similar. And moreover I find their link with an user Myhometownkorea, whose article I nominated today for deletion. As I found there have been investigations on that user related to sockpuppetry; I thought to inform you about this. -ink&fables«talk»19:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@-ink&fables: Yup, I had suspected that first IP was the sockpuppet three weeks ago when I blocked it. I've semi-protected Kim Soo-hyun as that is the only article that merits it right now. If you come across any similar behavior in the future, please let me know. ƏXPLICIT00:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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@Govvy: Well, WP:NFC#CS only allows the use of one non-free item in an article, which is generally placed in the infobox. This particular file was the second non-free item used in the body of the article. Looks like a clear violation to me. I could also get into how it fails to meet WP:FREER because of how incredibly similar it is to the infobox logo, where the text adequately conveys the information, but my first point should suffice. ƏXPLICIT12:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I really do query that because clearly written in the article is; On 15 May 2017, the home shirt for the 2017–18 season was revealed, featuring the logo of new sponsors Fun88. The shirt was shown to include a gold and silver commemorative crest to mark the club's 125th football season, based on the city's coat of arms. It was also announced that the kit would feature red numbers for the first time since the 1992–93 season.(cite:77) Then the logo is there to show the differences they did for the 125th year. I've seen a lot of football logo deletions and at times, I really don't think people are analysing the articles and how they are used. I question the method in which these get deleted and if I see what I believe might be wrong I will point that out. I am just trying to established, when, how and why. I don't see any real issue why it should be deleted other than wikipedia's own policies! And it's not like the club has sent Wikipedia a cease and desist letter! Govvy (talk) 12:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) I think when you say I don't see any real issue why it should be deleted other than wikipedia's own policies!, you pretty much are answering your own question. Pretty much the only reason anything ever ends up being deleted on Wikipedia is because it's deemed to violate some Wikipedia policy or guideline. Unsourced content or otherwise inappropriate content often ends up removed (i.e. deleted) from articles because it violates some Wikipedia policy or guideline. Articles and other pages often end up deleted because they violate some Wikipedia policy or guideline. Even editors can end up "deleted" (figuratively speaking) when they violate some Wikipedia policy and guideline. The same goes for images and files. Commons doesn't accept an non-free content per c:COM:FAIR even though it probably could because it's not deemed compatible with Commons policies and guidelines. Wikipedia does accept non-free content when it's deemed not to violate Wikipedia's non-free content use policy.
Just by going on based upon what you've posted above and looking at the logo in the source you've mentioned above, I'm not so sure the reader would necessarily need to see both logos to understand the differences between the two. Is showing the anniversary logo a clear copyright violation that would cerainly lead to a DMCA takedown notice from the team? Probably not since it would likely be considered a case of acceptable fair use. Would showing both be considered a violation of WP:NFCCP? Probably yes because of not only FREER and WP:NFCC#8, but also WP:NFCC#3a. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy was purposely set up to be more restrictive than fair use per WP:NFC#Background and its this policy that matter when it comes to Wikipedia.
Somebody tagged the file for speedy deletion (probably with {{Di-disputed fair use rationale}}) , but I can't see who. The uploader of the file was notified here, but that notification was added by a bot. It doesn't look like a {{deletable image-caption}} was added to the file when it was tagged for deletion. Such a thing isn't necessarily required, but it often helps let editors other than the uploader know when a non-free file has been tagged for deletion so that someone who wants to challenge the deletion can. If I were to have seen this being discussed at WP:FFD I would've !voted "delete" based upon what I've posted above and that's what I think the consensus would've ultimately ended up as, but that's just my opinion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
A while ago you didn't approve the entry of Video Game "SamuTale" on Wikipedia. The reason was: "Non-notable video game sourced by blogs."
I can agree it was not that notable at the time, but things have changed a lot and the game has been covered by a huge variety of game portals and I would like to place a request for an un-deletion.
I hope you will consider the un-deletion of the SamuTale Wikipedia page and I would be happy to improve the restored article with updated information and references so that it meets the Wiki Standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R0yall (talk • contribs) 16:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Sacred Heart Pioneers men's ice hockey used to be it's own separate page with information specific to the ice team, additionally, there was a also a page List of Sacred Heart Pioneers men's ice hockey seasons. I undid the revision from Graywalls to the main page (which was deleted without any debate, undone by someone else, then deleted again, as you can see in its page history). I cannot undo the deletion to the season-by-season list myself so I would appreciate it if you could bring the page back or direct me to someone who could. PensRule11385 (talk) 14:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
About the WP:DEPROD request, normally it's good practice to notify the editor who prodded the article (in this case that would be Graywalls) that you've deprodded it as a courtesy; however, it appears that Graywalls failed to notify you of the prod so I've posted about that on their user talk page and also informed them of the deprod.
Finally, please don't add citations to section headings per MOS:HEAD like you did in both articles; instead, try to find a way to incorporate them inline in the body into the body of the section, even if it means adding a brief introductory sentence or two to the section so that the citation doesn't just appear to be "floating" in white space. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The picture you removed, (the one that was originally featured on this article) is a free image with no protections on it. This is a picture of my stepmother. I don't understand why you removed it. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 00:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi - I just saw on my watchlist that you deleted the True Craft article. As the creator, I was surprised to not get notified. Are PRODs different from AfDs? Also, I’m curious about the idea that something once notable can lose notability over time if it fails. Should we remove the Worldcom and Enron articles? Wouldn’t it be better to preserve the info and resolution to this once interesting but ill-fated initiative, for posterity. Here’s the final source: [[3]] TimTempleton(talk)(cont)07:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: Hi, unfortunately, policy does not require users to notify the creator when a page is proposed for deletion. Based on the nominator's deletion rationale, they may have come to the conclusion that the article was only subject to routine coverage. If you disagree with the outcome, you can simply request undeletion per WP:CONTESTED. ƏXPLICIT00:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, couple days ago you told me that some of the pictures I uploaded wewnt' actually found under a free license, and someone wrote "conflicted licenses should not be uploaded". But I thought it was ok because I saw on Blackpink Jisoo's page the image File:Kim Ji-soo at Jimmy Choo Event on January 09, 2020 (13).jpg website had a CC-4.0 icon but at the very bottom of the page it said "(C) Copyrighted. All Rights Reserved". Is there something I don't understand? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori155 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Lori155: I'm guessing you're talking about this deletion request on Commons. For that blog specifically, the owner was not aware that they had modified their Tistory posts to release their photos under a free license and refused to allow commercial use when asked. Photos taken from toto1024/toto0309's blog can not be uploaded under a free license and should be avoided. ƏXPLICIT06:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Request for deletion model pages, No inherent notability these Expired PROD, concern was: No inherent notability to beauty pageant winners; WP:BLP1E, page using alot of unreliable sources
This model pages down below wasn't find as notable models, page using alot of unreliable sources as well as No inherent notability to beauty pageant winners, it should be Proposed for deletion (PROD) ;
Hi there, would you mind taking a look at Baekho (singer) and its history? There are two editors repeatedly removing sourced information and not attempting to engage in discussion despite requests to do so. I realised I had reverted more times than I should have, so seeking advice from an admin seemed like an appropriate next step. Alex (talk) 03:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I just discovered that in April 29, 2020 you removed a photo from wikipedia and wikimedia commons that I had obtained permission and paid the San Mateo Historical Associationto be freely shared - Debra from SMHA uploaded it herself as they own the image. File name was Royal Elk Fossil Found in San Mateo County, May 1962.jpg in wikimedia commons and in wikipedia San Mateo County, California. How do I recover it? I'm guessing that Debra did not know how to properly explain the permissions so please educate me if you have a moment so I can not make this mistake in future.Schmiebel (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey Explicit! In regards to the file you deleted a couple days ago (File:End Game (Official Single Cover) by Taylor Swift.png), I want to let you know that a new user who didnt back up their claims removed this image calling it a『
fake cover』[4]. This user also did a smiliar edit to Lover (Taylor Swift song)[5]. Please restore that file, as it was wrongfully deleted. I know its not your fault, you were just doing your job. If you could restore that, that would be great. Please ping me in your reply! Thanks! D🐶ggy54321(let's chat!)03:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
HiExplicit, last time you deleted this file due to failure to comply "fair use" claim. Also I understand the concept of WP:NFCC#8 criterion, which in my understanding states "in order to warrant fair use rationale, the article of the file uploaded has adequately written as easily understandable to readers. Texts should be clearly rewritten in order to appeal for readers, and usually may referenced. I remove some stuffs, and I made cite to some sources. Also in S.M.I.L.A section, I also insert some information based on this source.
@The Supermind: Hi, WP:NFCC#8 does not require an article to be well-written. It is a two-pronged test where the non-free media must: a) significantly increase the readers' understanding of the article; and b) the file's omission must be detrimental to that understanding. WP:SAMPLE#Inclusion in article further elaborates: "Properly uploaded music samples should only be added to articles in which the song or a particular aspect of it is discussed and referenced."File:S.M.I.L.A by Alexander Ozolin .mp3 failed every test. ƏXPLICIT02:37, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
So what is the core problem, is that the file insertion, or the song itself, or it might be technical? Does it needs reference to the author?
@The Supermind:AsWP:NFC#CS states, the item in question, in this case being the music sample, must be subject to critical commentary that is referenced with an independent reliable source. This reference must "identify an object, style, or behavior" in order for the music sample to fulfill the NFCC policy. The article section about the song does not contain any referenced critical commentary about the musical style of the track itself. In fact, that section is almost entirely unsourced. As an example, see the detailed paragraph on Madonna's "4 Minutes".
If you can address this issue at least to a reasonable extent that would at least merit a discussion at WP:FFD, the file can be restored. Remember: "Note that it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; those seeking to remove or delete it are not required to show that one cannot be created—see burden of proof." ƏXPLICIT05:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation.
For example: In the song "4 Minutes"
It is referenced either in article or in |description about the artists' collaboration to the chorus. Thus it is sourced commentary about the sample.
Ping. I have a source similar to the one. It states
"When I read the letter, I immediately realized: this is it! I have loved hip-hop since childhood. to the music written by our friend, the soloist of the band Cardiomashine Max Lysenko. In general, the song came out in my style. Which, I hope, will appreciate the young people."[2]
@The Supermind: Sorry, still not seeing it. You are taking very general statements and trying to pass it off as critical commentary about the music sample itself. ƏXPLICIT00:18, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
The tor-ramdisk article was a valid article, and you deleted it, inhibiting my experience at Wikipedia. It is an obscure linux distribution, so it wont have a large number of sources. Please do not delete for the sake of deletion, especially on technical topics. Reinstate the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.36.152 (talk) 06:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Shirke
Hi, This article was deleted by you nearly three years ago. This name belongs to a Maratha clan with centuries old history. Many personalities in the early years of the founding of the Maratha empire came from this clan (supporters as well as adversaries). Unfortunately, the article had no references. If you restore this, i will make sure it has reliable sources to back up the content. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi there. Regarding a BLP, I'm looking for advice. Are references to Instagram good enough to support a disputed relationship? The Instagram sources on Rahul Kohli's article support his engagement two years ago, but do not support whether the relationship is ongoing and there have been disputes of their relationship since then. I removed the information alltogether, as it did not have reliable, secondary sources to support and because of how many times it has been disputed over time, but another editor has returned it and doesn't acknowledge my concerns at all. A bit of back and forth between them and I, (and we are both needing to review the edit warring policy I think) so I'm hoping to get some clarification. Alex (talk) 02:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: Per WP:BLPSPS, primary sources can be used if the subject has written it about themselves. It's not the best source, but it seems sufficient to cover the claims being made in the article text. In a cursory search, I found this 2019 news story that briefly mentions the couple's engagement from People magazine, which is listed as a perennial source. The only thing I'm not sure about is why you're arguing that they have broken up while being unable to cite a source to back your claim up, primary or otherwise. ƏXPLICIT07:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I had seen that they had broke up, though when I went to find it again I couldn't. That was not my main comcern though, I had thought that for a BLP where it had been disputed multiple times the better option would have been to remove it alrogether. Alex (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Edwin Adams Cotto
Hi Explicit:
I see you deleted Edwin Adams Cotto. Usually there is a vote before deletion and there was no vote on this. Let's reinstate it and then put it on VFD. Thanks and God bless and merry Christmas! Antonio Ho Ho Ho Martin (Why, my friend, whyyyy?) 12:59, !9 December, 2020 (UTC)
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