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Rajab, Thanks for creating a new title like 'picture should be removed'. Prophet Mohammed deserves nothing but respect. Resid Gulerdem 21:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Stop removing the pictures please. Wikipedia is an encylopedia. The article is about the pictures, not having them in the article is unencylopdic. If you find it offensive I suggest you simplt do not read the article. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you willbeblocked from editing Wikipedia. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rajab, please be aware that if you are in danger of violating the three revert rule, or WP:3RR. If you revert four times, you will be blocked for 24 hours. Babajobu 22:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't revert, I offered a compromise. The picture is still in the article
You will NOT be blocked unless you violate the 3rr (per above). Please participate in discussion and ignore any incivil or racist behavior. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 22:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You may now go to bed. Sleep well, Mark1 22:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[1] this was a disruptive edit. Good night. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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{{unblock}} Firstly, I wasn't warned & secondly someone vandalised the picture I inserted (cartoon of Jordanian Newspaper) -> so I "vandalised" their picture too.
Rajab, Can you please vote on the Pool 3. Thanks... 216.248.122.217 13:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If somebdoy uploaded a picture of my sister it would be removed because it would be a violation of her personality rights. I would be willing to consider a site-wide policy of moving offensive images below the fold, but I am not willing to make a unique exception for one group of people. Muslim concerns are no more important than the concerns of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Scientologists, or anyone else. Babajobu 15:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Babajobu 16:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are well aware of the revert war that has gone on on this article. You know what you are doing is disruptive and you know it should be discussed on the talk page, where indeed discussion is taking place and a poll is running. STOP removing the image. If you remove it again, I will block you for a longer period than the prior two blocks as they were obviously ineffective. I encourage you to contribute positively, and not destructively. Wikipedia works through consensus building, not through revert warring. The revert warring is pointless and futile. STOP. --Durin 16:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please remove the image from your user page. You can link to it in the form [[:Image:Arabcartoon.jpg]] but it violates fair use to have it as you do. Thanks. gren グレン ? 10:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Better? What's the difference? & How does it violate fair use?Rajab 10:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What if I use it here & as an explanation of what our controversy was about? Ironically this is the argument of the proponents of re-posting the JP cartoons on wikipedia... Rajab 12:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC) BTW, I removed the picture from my user page.[reply]
According to the BBC "It is the satirical intent of the cartoonists, and the association of the Prophet with terrorism, that is so offensive to the vast majority of Muslims."[1] [2] As Muhammad is the proto-typical Muslim this association with terrorism is essentially a generalisation to all Muslims. Furthermore the cartoons were published in a mainstream newspaper in the context of what many Muslims perceive as an islamophobic mood in many of the western countries involved [3], [4], [5], [6] [7]. In this context the effect and danger of the Jyllands-Posten cartoons to Muslims differs significantly from the danger presented by comparable cartoons of Jesus to a Christian living in the west. Rajab 16:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent Rajab , we have to contribute to the article adding the our viewpoint .. that is the good work, nice section u have written --Chaos 12:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rajab, though I disagree with you on a lot of issues, just want to say that you and Chaos have both done some very good work on the article. Thanks! Babajobu 21:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to congratulate you on your rapidly improving English-language skills! You are making far better progress than I would if I needed to start using Arabic. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with them , You did great Jop , that is what muslims begin to make actively , that is the manner that they should behave with , I like to invite u to join the arabic Wikipedia ... Salamz for now --Chaos 11:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Rajab, I think pervasive works better in that sentance than Islamophobic and avoids the baggage of the I word. Pervasive means that it is worming its way into society, like a poison or a disease. What do you think? Kyaa the Catlord 11:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mentioned about the Holocaust being a "Holy Cow". I fear I am a bit ignorant about this. I know that they seemed reticent about talking about many things when in germany, but I think that few in Denmark and Sweden know about it being a "Holy Cow". Freedom of speech, I think is a "holy cow" in Denmark, which seems a bit at odds with their Xenophobia (they are not only islamophobic, they can feel the same way about swedes :) ) In what way is the Holocaust a "Holy Cow"? And where? DanielDemaret 21:27, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rajab,
Thanks for the great cartoon Image:Arabcartoon.jpg. I think it clarifies the whole situation very much. I would like to know the precise source including the accompanying text. I need it for the Dutch (NL) page on the cartoons: nl:Cartoons_van_Mohammed_in_Jyllands-Posten. My own analysis about the anger is exactly like in the cartoon says: European racism/islamophobia and hypocracy about Freedom of Speech. But the NL-wikipedia only allows official sources. I need to quote the source. I tried to search www.alghad.jo, also on the date of the picture (3rd february) but I couldnt find it. Please let me know. Thanks.
-- ActiveSelective 21:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rajab,
Thank you for your prompt and informative answer.
The part that I know very litte about, and which told me now again was that: You wrote: "Discussing the mechanics which link the holocaust with the creation of Israel and the morale behind those mechanics are "taboo"".
You see, that discussion about holocaust is NOT taboo here in Scandinavia. We would happily discuss it if they thought it were an interesting or fun discussion. If Iran starts distributing just pictures, the only reason that they might not be reprinted in Scandinavia is that few would care. That is why I hope they are good art, so we can make posters of the "holocaust-denial" cartoons and hang them up in our livingrooms. Because nobody really cares very much about the holocaust in scandinavia. Only a few of us geeks care about it. I care since I have personal feelings about it since my mother had to care for the holocaust victims assigned to her at St Mary's Hospital in London after WWII, and my father cares since he saved several jews from when the germans marched into France. He saw whole villages of jews beeing terminated while cycling down from Flanders to reach the resistance. But Scandinavians in general don't care , and they would rather watch football than a boring holocaust or denial-of-holocaust documentary. They are both allowed in Sweden, it is just that they are very boring.
So if Iran publish the pictures they will not be attacking the Danish Cartoons. If the Danish Cartoonists care at all, they will *praise* Iran for bringing down "Holy Cows" in other countries.
What I really asked you about was: "Where is that taboo, and how is it expressed"? I think that I shall have to guess the answer to that in that there are laws against it in certain countries like germany, and that people there are simply afraid of braking the laws. Personally, I think it is time they took away those laws. In Sweden, we took away laws that made nazism forbidden many years ago, and guess what happened? We have about five Nazi parties here now, with about 50 members in each party. Who cares? DanielDemaret 08:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you keep trying to delete the cartoons? Best
04:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)60.225.202.61
As you say, there are limits to free speech even in Scandinavia. Limits by law in Sweden are eg
If someones feelings is all that is hurt, however, it can be hard to press the case sometimes.
As you see, anything that leads to violence in real life is restricted.
As for the laws in Denmark and Norway, I really dont know enough.
However, the images that you mentioned in your message to me are allowed as far as I know. I have seen them all in public newspapers here, at one time or another. They would be permitted, and have been. Sometimes they have been scolded for "bad taste", that's all. Times change, of course. Perhaps we are getting more stringent now than when I was young. Whether they would be admitted in wikipedia, I don't know. We will just have to see if wikipedia is as "free press minded" as the Danes are, I suppose. Do you intend to upload any gross animal sex to find out? If you can't find any, I know at least one grocery store where you could go and buy them. And yes, it was quite legal. At least at that time. But perhaps I am too old. DanielDemaret 18:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I should perhaps mention that there are plenty of people in Scandinavia that, as soon as they heard about the reaction to the cartoons thought they should never have been published. Curisosly, those who had first seen the pictures, and then heard about the reaction, often scratched their heads to try and think what the reaction was all about. Nobody that I have talked to here would want to insult for the sake of the insult. You should also know that cartoons that depict muslims in a bad light are not very common in Sweden, but those that depict president Bush in as a silly donkey are commonplace, everywhere, every day, and made with much gusto. DanielDemaret 18:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If 70% is all that is needed for Concensus, then I think I can safely say that the Swedish population had a concensus in that George should not have entered Iraq. DanielDemaret 19:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54 It came as a surprise to me.DanielDemaret 21:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that you were distressed by the japanese children drawings. Japanese drawings tend to much more obscene, and are read openly on the street and trains, as we read daily newspapers here. There is even a very short scene of this in the movie "lost in translation". Am I correct in assuming by your comment in the discussion, that you reacted strongly to those, at least by Japanese and Scandinavian standards, harmless pictures in the wikipedia Lolicon article? DanielDemaret 22:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I found this cartoon. I think you'll like it. I like it.
It is the only good one among a lot of bad cartoons made by a Belgium organization Arab-European League (AEL). They reacted to the Muhammed cartoons in an strange way: by publishing racist cartoons under the banner of "freedom of speech" too. Tooth-for-a-tooth, eye-for-an-eye. They are right to protest, but that doesnt make it right to be racist oneself of course.
-- ActiveSelective 11:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"People hardly ever make use of the freedom they have. For example, the freedom of thought. Instead they demand freedom of speech as a compensation." Søren Kierkegaard DanielDemaret 17:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.
Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.
Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.
If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...
Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 22:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, I'm writing you to inform you that I've commented out the section on your user talk page that showed this image as under Wikipedia:Fair use rules such utilization isn't permitted. Netscott 10:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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