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I'm not entirely sure about this: but the table at the top of the WP:DRN page looks like it has not been updated in a couple of days. There are 5 or 6 DRN cases that are closed (grey) and usually the bot removes the grey cases within a day or less. Maybe all the cases closed in the past 24 hours? but a couple look like they are 2 days old. Not too sure. Thought you'd want to know. --Noleander (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi. So I'm looking stuff over, and I believe they're still in the chart because they're still present on the WP:DRN page itself. As for that, I believe MiszaBot II simply hasn't gotten to them yet. When it archives those cases, they should be removed from the chart. If not, I'll look again and see what else could be up. Thanks. — Earwigtalk20:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Task 2: Toolserver replication lag is high right now (91,933 seconds at last check). The bot won't update the chart when lag is too high because the data would be incorrect and to avoid overloading the servers further; we can't do anything but wait for it to come down.
Aaah ok. Also, what is with the bot putting a ton of "Unknown" listings for submitter name/date even when there are submission templates with the name and timestamp? — Gmt2001 (talk) 00:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Just got an update from TS admins, and the downtime could extend for two weeks. If it remains that bad, I'll negotiate an alternate solution when I have some free time (that'll be running the bot from a personal server with slightly limited functionality). — Earwigtalk23:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Template:AFC statistics
Can you change the date/time stamps to a form that will properly sort by date?
I just tried to sort by date, and it appears to sort correctly. Can you describe what's happening?
I've always preferred the last run timestamp at the bottom where it is now, instead of the top where it would distract from other things. Admittedly, it's a bit small for such a large chart, so I made it a bit bigger. — Earwigtalk22:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
The submitted time sorts fine. The last modified time does not. A prominent "last updated" is useful if the bot isn't running on its regular schedule. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It looks like something had broken, but everything should be fixed now. — Earwigtalk23:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey there - the bot seems to be up and running again but there are some bugs it seems. Could you take a look at this post which describes the issue in a bit more detail and see if there's something you can fix? Thanks in advance, StevenZhangHelp resolve disputes!18:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused; the bot hasn't run since a few days ago (check contribs or WP:DRN's page history) so I don't see how the reported errors apply. Coincidentally (I just got home), the Toolserver is slightly working at the moment, so I've been able to start it. We'll see what happens? — Earwigtalk21:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
It seems like the bot isn't updating the Template:DRN case status or the noticeboard itself since it's last edit on the noticeboard here. Does there appear to be an issue with the bot, or is there something I'm causing that's resulting in this?
Hey there. It seems that we will be trying a different format at DRN where cases are subpages, and transcluded, rather than on the one page. Toolserver issues aside, how long do you think this would take to implement (and what would you need me to do to line things up?) StevenZhangHelp resolve disputes!13:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that's whatI've said. It's been a while, so I might need some time to look it over since a few changes have been made since then. If you tell me exactly when the new system is going to be put in place, I should have it ready by that point. — Earwigtalk17:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Could you tell me what happened to the issue that Jennie X brought up about Beyoncé at the end of May? You put a notice about it on my talk page. thanks--Aichik (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll take a look. The error is probably unrelated to sources (it doesn't check links on the page directly), but I have an idea. — Earwigtalk20:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I believe I PRODded this in September 2012, and the PROD went through. Is it really possible to contest a PROD 9 months later? In any event, the page was the sole creation of a blocked editor who is also a major sockpuppeteer. So can't the page be deleted (again) under CSD G5? Thanks. Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it's possible to contest a PROD at any time, unless it's a BLPPROD, in which case at least one reliable source must be provided before undeletion.
"blocked editor who is also a major sockpuppeteer" - True, but their first block was not until August, when they created the page before said block. G5 only applies when edits/creations are done in violation of their block/ban; as they were under no block/ban at the time it doesn't apply. Other interesting thing, it took me a few minutes to decipher the SPI in question, but it looks like Morning277 was the master, and as their first block was in August of 2012 was not in violation of any blocks/bans on other accounts (by virtue of being master, master is usually first account), so again, no G5.
This was undeleted per a request on the help desk, and can still be sent to AfD if you so desire. I made no comment on it other than to request it's undeletion per procedure. Charmlet (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
To clarify, Charmlet's the one who asked me undelete the page; I simply fulfilled the admin-y part of the request. — Earwigtalk00:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
because earwig is awesome and is trusted with the bits I not has (and is also someone I could contact quickly) Charmlet (talk) 00:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the quick replies. Awww, it was his dad. OK, maybe there is a bit of skepticism there. But you are both awesome--thanks for your contributions to WP! Logical Cowboy (talk) 00:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to request you undelete SUADE. They are just about to release their 3rd album. If I have made a mistake on the page I do apologise.
I am new to wiki and am still learning what changes to make and how to improve citations. Do I have to start fresh or can you undelete and I can change the
name.
As per 20:57, 6 May 2012 The Earwig (talk | contribs) deleted page SUADE (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://www.suade.net/)
Can you please get back to me as to what I have done wrong or should correct.
And can you undelete the page so I can update for new album and changes to members of the group.
Because much of the article was either copied or closely paraphrased from http://www.suade.net/the-guys and http://suade.net/suade-bio, I cannot undelete the page for you. Content on Wikipedia must be freely licensed, and you may not simply copy/paraphrase it from other online sources per our copyright policy. All content in the article must be written from scratch. I hope that clarifies the reason for deletion. Now, if you are authorized as (or work with) the copyright holder of that content, you can grant us permission to use it (see the page on donating copyrighted materials for details). Before doing so, however, I would suggest that starting fresh will be easier. Wikipedia articles need to adhere to a fairly strict neutral point of view, and the goal of an encyclopedia article (compiling what is already available in published, reliable sources) is different from the goal of a group's website (advertising). To start, I would suggest making a list of the group's appearances in newspapers, magazines, reliable websites, and the like, then writing an article that uses information from those sources to build a profile on the group.
Thanks Earwig..yes I do have copyright release from them, but I will write it from scratch and yes I have links to their media events, news paper, xfactor etc.
But from scratch is fine. Yes, I am learning to be less emotive with my edits.
I noticed you pushed some commits while I was gone. Thanks for your help, but I need to give you a trout for that because you pushed all of mabdul's alpha changes into master instead of develop. Please be more careful so I don't accidentally push alpha stuff to the stable build on-wiki.
If you have any clones of WPAFC/afch lying around, you need to run these two commands on them because I broke the tags and had to update:
See, here's the problem: you have develop, but you don't have it set as the integration branch in github's config (which I'm fairly certain I told you to do), so pull request merges go to master by default. I didn't make any commits aside from merging in pull requests from mabdul, which was hard enough given that they were formatted incorrectly. Therefore, it is very unclear how you want development to be structured, and at that point I could have only guessed and done what mabdul had said (which was merge into master). — Earwigtalk02:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I linked you to git flow a while ago, which describes the integration branch as origin/develop, which "reflects a state with the latest delivered development changes for the next release". Thus, this is where you would want pull requests to be merged into in most cases. On Github, if you go to a repository's config, one of the first options will be "default branch", which is currently set to master, but you want to set it to develop for this to work. — Earwigtalk18:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate your skills in designing pages; hence, would like to show you the following page: User:JustBerry/GOCEMenu. The "menu page" is a potential menu tab for WP:GOCE. The idea has already been accepted by the WP:GOCE coordinators, but I would certainly appreciate if you could let me know any ideas/suggestions you may have for the page. Thanks. --JustBerry (talk) 18:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Is there any way to use EarwigBot to test older versions of pages? I just re-wrote SK8 and EarwigBot (super-cool, BTW) now flags it as clean - although I see some things I need to touch up further. But I'm more curious in using it to ensure that the older versions actually did have the widespread copyvio I believed I saw. Is there any way to do this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The copyvio tool doesn't, at the moment, but it's planned for the near future. Check back in a week or so. — Earwigtalk23:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. How much notice do you need to implement the change to subpaging for DRN (and is it possible that we could have the existing threads moved to a subpage and detected by the bot?) I've got the new code ready to implement, so please let me know when you are ready. Thanks in advance :) StevenZhangHelp resolve disputes!01:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. You won't have to do anything other than move the existing threads to subpages, since the bot can only follow one system at a time. Otherwise, don't change the threads themselves (including the bot case IDs). I'll keep an eye on the noticeboard and push the new code once you're finished moving stuff over. — Earwigtalk02:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I just thought things may need to be done for the initial changeover. I'm trying to iron out an issue at moment, the case status template isn't showing up on the subpages but still exists in the code...any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven Zhang (talk • contribs) 01:52, July 18, 2013
It's late, and I need to sleep. It doesn't look like you're done transitioning yet, so this will have to continue tomorrow (or later, as I might not be available). The bot is off in the mean time. — Earwigtalk08:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't realise you were still waiting on me on this. All the code has been properly updated now, the kinks have been ironed out and I'm going to complete the sub paging this evening. You should be good to flip the switch once you come on. :) StevenZhangHelp resolve disputes!10:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'm all done. All existing disputes have been subpaged (I left the bot count in, I wasn't sure if you wanted it taken out or not). I've broken up DRN into two parts, current disputes and recently closed disputes. Both of these will list disputes in a similar format to how RFAs are listed (as you can see here), when the bot adds new listings is it possible to keep the same sort of format? I am also wondering if once a dispute is marked as closed, the bot can after, say, 30 minutes, move it to the recently closed cases section. When it does this, it add it to the section in the format of {{Closed DRN|subpage name}}. After 2 days, it'd be archived in the DRN archives. Is this something you can do? (Oh, and are you coming to Wikimania by any chance?) StevenZhangHelp resolve disputes!14:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't be too hard to manage, but this is unfortunately a bit of a crappy time for me (I'm away for the next few days, with only a netbook, which makes developing hard). I can't start the bot right now, but hopefully tomorrow. — Earwigtalk04:20, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and regarding Wikimania: not this year, unfortunately; Hong Kong is pretty far from here. Next year looks promising, though. — Earwigtalk23:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Hold on, the task isn't clear to me right now. You're asking the bot to take over discovering (i.e. transcluding) new cases and archiving old ones, too? That was never its role before, so you have to excuse my confusion. I think the filing script should handle the former; no reason for a bot to. As for the latter, I'm not MiszaBot, which means you'll need to instruct me how archiving works. Would you rather I follow the {{User:MiszaBot/config}} template (except that only closed cases are archived, removing the need for DNU comments), or something else? — Earwigtalk01:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Copyvio, schmopivio
Hey Earwig! I'm getting a Mako Runtime Error with [1]:
Extended content
IndexError: list index out of range
</ul> <table id="cv-chain-table"> <tr> <td class="cv-chain-cell">Article: <div class="cv-chain-detail"><p>${highlight_delta(result.article_chain, result.delta_chain)}</p></div></td> <td class="cv-chain-cell">Source: <div class="cv-chain-detail"><p>${highlight_delta(result.source_chain, result.delta_chain)}</p></div></td> </tr> </table> </div> </div>
./toolserver/copyvios/highlighter.py, line 29:
if highlights[i]:
pages/copyvios.mako, line 135:
<td class="cv-chain-cell">Article: <div class="cv-chain-detail"><p>${highlight_delta(result.article_chain, result.delta_chain)}</p></div></td>
/home/earwig/.local/solaris/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Mako-0.7.2-py2.7.egg/mako/runtime.py, line 817:
callable_(context, *args, **kwargs)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'find_all'
<%include file="/support/header.mako" args="environ=environ, cookies=cookies, title='Copyvio Detector', add_css=('copyvios.css',), add_js=('copyvios.js',)"/>\ <%namespace module="toolserver.copyvios" import="main, highlight_delta"/>\ <%namespace module="toolserver.misc" import="urlstrip"/>\ <% query, bot, all_langs, all_projects, page, result = main(environ) %>\ % if query.project and query.lang and query.title and not page: <div class="red-box"> <p>The given site (project=<b><tt>${query.project | h}</tt></b>, language=<b><tt>${query.lang | h}</tt></b>) doesn't seem to exist. It may also be closed or private. <a href="//${query.lang | h}.${query.project | h}.org/">Confirm its URL.</a></p> </div> % elif query.project and query.lang and query.title and page and not result:
/home/earwig/git/earwigbot/earwigbot/wiki/copyvios/parsers.py, line 140:
for comment in soup.find_all(text=is_comment):
/home/earwig/git/earwigbot/earwigbot/wiki/copyvios/__init__.py, line 115:
source = MarkovChain(HTMLTextParser(html).strip())
/home/earwig/git/earwigbot/earwigbot/wiki/copyvios/__init__.py, line 176:
conf, chns = self._copyvio_compare_content(article_chain, url)
./toolserver/copyvios/checker.py, line 28:
result = page.copyvio_check(max_queries=10, max_time=45)
./toolserver/copyvios/__init__.py, line 23:
page, result = get_results(bot, site, query)
pages/copyvios.mako, line 4:
<% query, bot, all_langs, all_projects, page, result = main(environ) %>\
/home/earwig/.local/solaris/lib/python2.7/site-packages/Mako-0.7.2-py2.7.egg/mako/runtime.py, line 817:
callable_(context, *args, **kwargs)
You're listed as an active member of the Bot Approvals Group. I would like to draw your attention to the outstanding WP:BRFA requests (including requests that are specificly flagging as need BAG attention). Please take a few minutes out of your busy schedule and take a look at the open requests. Thank you Hasteur (talk) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
The servers the bot runs on (Wikimedia Labs right now) have a replicated version of the WMF databases. Sometimes this database goes out of sync with the live one (which we call "replication lag" or "replag"). The bot chooses to not update the chart when replag is high, because the data it produces would be out of date anyway, and it would further stress an already-overloaded database. Replag is about a day and five hours right now (that is to say, the replicated databases haven't updated in a day and five hours), which is obviously too much for the bot to work around. It also corresponds with the time the bot stopped editing, so the issue isn't on my end.
I reported the problem to Labs admins, who have identified the source of the issue and are hopefully going to get it fixed really soon.
As an aside, Numbermaniac, editing the task's shutoff page won't actually stop it from running, but instead stop it from editing, so that's can't resolve this kind of issue. Only I can restart the bot. — Earwigtalk13:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Suggestion: Modify the bot code so that when it runs correctly, it shows the date that it ran AND some idea of how current the database was. When it fails to run, have it just re-post the previous page but with an extra note at the top saying that due to technical difficulties it could not complete successfully, and that the output of the last successful run follows. Or words to that effect. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps. There's {{Toolserver}} for displaying Toolserver replag, but no template for Labs – I guess because we haven't had any issues until this point that I know of. We'll see what happens after the issue is resolved. — Earwigtalk21:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
As another note, I've just received word that the problem has been fixed (finally!), and it looks like the databases are catching up. Expect the next report in a few hours. — Earwigtalk02:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that EarwigBot could traverse time [3] (with respect to "Orthodox Christianity in Taiwan" thread). Any idea what happened here? Hasteur (talk) 21:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Yep, exactly the same issue as before. I was told about ~32 hours ago that the database admin was aware and would get to it when he could. Excuse me for expecting Labs to not have replication problems like the Toolserver did, but if this continues, I'll definitely implement your suggestion from earlier. — Earwigtalk00:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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You're listed under the "Users involved" section, so I don't see how this could be an error. Sorry, I'm a moron and completely misunderstood your message. Fixed for the future. — Earwigtalk00:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm the current DRN coordinator and I'd like to work on pruning our volunteer list and also on rallying the troops, but I'm not sure which list is the "official one." We have three possibilities:
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I opened the DR case. CYl7EPTEMA777 is blocked illegitimately. How can he join the talk? One goal of the DR case is removing his block. 124.170.231.48 (talk) 05:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen people in this kind of situation respond to comments from users on their talk page, even if they came from elsewhere, but I'm not sure if this is the universal convention. {{helpme}} could be used if the blocked user wants to draw attention to that (otherwise I suppose you could leave a notice on the case page -- "User:X is responding to comments on his talk" or something). — Earwigtalk07:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello... I just received a message on my talk page about a discussion in Dispute Resolution in which I was invited to participate. When I clicked on the link, I found the discussion closed(?) yet an indication that it was 'ongoing'(?). I have not been involved in Dispute Resolution before so I'm not sure if I am to respond there or not. If you can give me some guidance, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! WikipelliTalk19:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm really sorry about this – it was an accident. We were having some issues earlier that apparently caused the bot to send out messages to people about already-closed cases; I should have checked. Feel free to ignore it. — Earwigtalk22:09, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi The Earwig,
wp:WikiProject African diaspora has many child categories in its main category: Category:African diaspora. Many of the descendent categories have not been tagged with project's banner, and the same applies to many children articles. Can your BOT correct this situation? I would appreciate a response on my talk page. Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 18:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, your bot seems to be having a fit of the vapours: it semi delivered a notice to my talk page, but indented it and didn't leave a full message, altho I was able to work out what it was about thanks to the edit summary.TheLongTone (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
The bot just substitutes a template; looks like someone messed with it earlier so it ended up substituting an empty string followed by its signature. Tricky, and shouldn't have happened. I don't know if there's a good way to prevent this other than protecting the template (or just hoping it doesn't happen again...) — Earwigtalk21:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you help me setup an archive on my talk page? I tried to establish a numbered archive like what you have, and also have an index page for easy reference, but I'm not sure I did it correctly. I would very much appreciate your suggestions. Thanks in advance. Atsme☯ talk08:19, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme. It looks like you've got the archive box working, but bots aren't going to archive your page without using the correct archive settings template. I use MiszaBot's system, which is now run by lowercase sigmabot III, whose instructions are here. I noticed you tagged your page as if you expect it to be archived by ClueBot III; while I've never used it, it has instructions here, which should hopefully be easy to follow. Let me know if you have more specific questions. — Earwigtalk02:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Earwig. It's Typo385.5 (ok, yes, I changed my username)
Hey, Typo here, I changed my username to UltraMario64 and I resubmitted my userficate template from last September, with some improvements. Could you rereview it? It's way better now. Thanks. UltraMario64 (talk) 07:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Again, sorry, I don't understand the use case. If you want something to be userfied, you move it yourself or ask an admin if necessary – I don't foresee a situation where something is "pending" userfication. It's not usually a process that requires consensus, since it's between one or two users (the sole main contributor and any admins involved). — Earwigtalk23:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Earwig, can you please respond to this thread? [4]. Despite your best intentions, the current settings on the Earwigbot are inaccurate and confusing and are inhibiting DRN volunteer participation. We need help with this ASAP. Thanks. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 14:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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If the anonymous user was truly sincere about those questions he wanted answered in the article, then I have lost my ability to decipher who is a parasite and who is actually trying to improve the article. I have removed the talk page and the article from my watch list. I will no longer edit timeshare articles. Thanks for your concern-Pocketthis (talk) 22:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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