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Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion at the Olympics Project, this seems like overkill/overcatting to have categories for each event under the track and field banner, and will lead to category clutter. LugnutsFire Walk with Me19:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Merging all events under track and field would be unwieldy. If it's really that important to keep some of them together, we could have a category just for runners or distance and sprint runners to keep from proliferation. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯19:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
MergeOlympic athletes (track and field) are already divided by year and country. I don't find either of these two branches too unwieldy – most nations have had less than 100 Olympic athletics entrants in their history and even for the most populous countries like China, that figure is just over 300. The yearly one is admittedly quite large at around 2000 athletes for the last few Games, but I think dividing this further by event will lead to an unsatisfactory outcome for many articles in terms of category clutter. For example, the Carl Lewis article already has 11 Olympic categories and if we divide the years by each event this will double that number to 22 (between his 100 m, 200 m, long jump and relay appearances in multiple years). Lewis is not unique in that issue, but is emblematic of how the sport of athletics works. The athletics categorisation scheme is already heavy with tiny categories – there are around 1200 javelin thrower biographies and already nearly 300 javelin thrower categories. I don't think we should be adding to that. SFB20:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 200 pages can be seen in a category (without clicking next), so don't you think 2000+ is bit too much? What's actually the point of categorization? All the categories are on the bottom of the article, so I don't see a problem with that. 100m and 200m don't have to be separated, like Koavf said. What about Carl Lewis and "People from Willingboro Township, New Jersey", "Sportspeople from Birmingham, Alabama", "Track and field athletes from New Jersey", "Track and field athletes from California", "Sportspeople from Burlington County, New Jersey"? I usually see 1 cat for this matter. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kerp -- I see no reason not to split this by sport, javelin, discus, high jump, etc are all track and field disciplines, but with little crossover between them. I would not advocate a split between runners. Though 100m specialists probably do not do 1000m or 5000m, there is likely to be a continuum. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Competitors at multi-sport events by country
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Nominator's rationale: International sports events often feature delegations which are not country-based. These may be non-country federations, such as Hong Kong or Gibraltar, or governing body-led delegations, such as refugee and non-aligned teams. As such, the use of the word "country" in this tree is not helpful to categorisation. Delegation (which does not denotes the notion of country) is a phrase often used in relation these teams and is broad enough to capture the relevant concepts. SFB18:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning to oppose. The nominator makes a good case, but en.wp categorisation rightly takes a broad view of the scope of country, including non-sovereign territories such as Hong Kong and Gibraltar, and territories with limited recognition such as Kosovo. we wouldn't help our readers by being pedantic about whether e.g. the Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics was a country, or whether Palestine at the Summer Olympics is a country.
All the rest of our categorisation of sport is by country/nationality, and it would be a pity to break that convention.
I would prefer to either:
continue with the anomaly of a few non-country delegations in "by country" categories, or
create parallel categories for non-territorial delegations
However, I fear that if we create an alternative to countries, we will tempt some people to start arguing about where best to put Palestine and the Unified Team. So overall, I say best leave well alone. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 23:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, the logic of this convention of linking nationality with a person having competed for a team at an event only goes one level higher, starting at Category:Sports competitors by nationality and competition. If the concept of delegations is split from nationality, the national delegation categories would still remain directly in the nationality tree via categories such as Category:Chinese competitors by sports event. Another key caveat here is that sports nationality is distinct from legal nationality and non-nationals may compete for sports national teams for which they do not hold citizenship. SFB02:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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