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Nominator's rationale: The articles listed here are all associated with Christianity. None of them are associated with other religious traditions (unless you count Maoism or Confucianism as religions)FatalSubjectivities (talk) 11:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, but Category:Chinese Christian theologians may be a more natural name, also per WP:C2C. Wu Leichuan is also a Christian theologian. "Theologian" has been a term exclusively used in Christianity for a long time. Only recently Muslim scholars of Islam are also called "theologians". Outside Christianity and Islam the term is still rare. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SupportCategory:Chinese Christian theologians, given that all the member pages are about Christians; Wu Leichuan was a Confucian in his youth, but converted and became notable as a Christian theologian. Naturally, a parent category can be re-created if later there are pages about Chinese theologians other than Christians. – FayenaticLondon 15:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Some time ago, it was determined that Category:LGBT poets was large enough to need diffusion by nationality, but the categories got created on two different naming conventions: some are "Nationality LGBT poets", and others are "LGBT poets from Country". The challenge here, further, is that this can't just be speedied on C2C grounds, as there are also conflicting conventions in play depending on which parent tree you want to follow: if you want to ride the "LGBT writers" track then that pushes you to "LGBT poets from Country", but if you want to walk down the "Nationality poets" path then you get to "Nationality LGBT poets". So there needs to be a consensus one way or the other on which parent convention these categories should follow, with one or the other of these two sets getting renamed accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 16:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both options are an improvement over the status quo. Was there ever a specific reason to use "LGBT writers from Country" instead of "Nationality LGBT writers"? If not, option 2 is preferable and the writers should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall that there ever was a specific reason to go with "LGBT people from X" instead of "Xian LGBT people" — if there was one, it's left my memory banks. Rather, it was much more likely just a byproduct of the fact that there was a lot less consistency about the "demonym" vs. "from country" issue 15 years ago than there is today. But like Oculi, I can remember no instances of anybody actually batching a CFD nomination to rename them, either — I think the possibility has been discussed once or twice, but nobody's ever actually tackled a comprehensive batch discussion that I can recall. Bearcat (talk) 12:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I think of it, a batch nomination is close to undoable in this case because it can not be semi-automated. In contrast to most batch nominations this is not a matter of consistently replacing one (set of) word(s) by another (set of) word(s). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1, so it's clear what "Congolese" (DR Congo or Republic of the Congo) or "Dominican" (Dominica or the Dominican Republic) mean. I'm in favor of always doing this. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Option 2 to be consistent with the rest of the Category:People by nationality hierarchy. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Category names#Nationality and occupation specify this. "Congolese" and "Dominican" are not used because of ambiguity, but Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo people etc. "From" is used only in rare cases such as Georgia (country) and Saba (island) where we add a qualifier in parentheses, and for former countries with compound names such as Russian Empire. Only LGBT and Category:Twin people by nationality currently use "from" for all countries rather than the adjectival form, and these should be changed throughout. For those who support Option 1, I suggest opening an RfC to change the guideline, after which everything from the top down would be changed. Unless and until there is a change in consensus over that, there is no justification for LGBT or twins to have a different naming convention. – FayenaticLondon 10:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1 Down with the tyranny of demonyms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Surely "no consensus" would be the worst possible outcome of this discussion. Either of the two proposed options should be implemented. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated the Twin people set at 2022 Oct 6 to use demonyms, which would leave only LGBT people categories as an outlier. – FayenaticLondon 14:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The discussion Fayenatic London linked to closed as rename as per nom i.e. using demonyms. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1 I must agree with Laurel Lodged! It's always better to use "from", so "down with the tyranny of demonyms".--౪ Santa ౪99° 23:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment in relation/support to my !vote. In mono-ethnic nation-states with significant minorities (East and South-East Europe, for instance), there is a chance to discriminate against citizens of Foo on ethnic basis, especially with editors with low sensibility for ethno-national identity. Such contributors could use category to categorize only main ethnicity of Foo whose ethnic name is the same as name of the nation-state (I had experience regarding List of Foo-an painters), while disregarding others, all the while including items that don't belong at all just because they are Foo-ans never-mind from where. This could pose a potentially significant reason for disputes and disruptions.--౪ Santa ౪99° 23:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both - On the second thought I agree with Marcocapelle, we need both (my comment still stands as a cautionary note.)--౪ Santa ౪99° 23:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and merge – "notable people" sections should be added to the articles on the locations. – FayenaticLondon 10:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These have now been listed. – FayenaticLondon 22:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and merge as above. – FayenaticLondon 10:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These have now been listed. Some were undocumented; I included these in good faith and left links to the original category edits in the edit summaries. – FayenaticLondon 10:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 people in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and merge as above. – FayenaticLondon 10:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These have now been listed. – FayenaticLondon 09:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and merge as above. – FayenaticLondon 10:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have now listed these in the articles. – FayenaticLondon 23:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale:merge/delete, only one article in each of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Delete for Now with no objection to recreating if either prove us wrong and get to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada[edit]
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Alt Rename I would !vote differently in an RM, but here in CFD we should defer to the article space so as not to confuse readers with different naming conventions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 21#Category:Video games by game engine
