The greatest season in "my" club's history. Everyone's second-favourite team, Ipswich fought on multiple fronts and could have won everything, the league, the League Cup, the FA Cup and the UEFA Cup, but fell short on all but one front. But still they punched above their weight by some magnitude. And with Bobby Robson at the helm, this was an incomparable season in the history of the club. This is a true labour of love so any question will be taken seriously and and worked on with diligence. Thank you in advance for your interest in the article and any time you might spend making this a definitive season coverage. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and archived all links in the article, except for the ones already in the British Newspaper Archive. Just an heads up, the Times article from 2004 is dead and I couldn't find an archive for it. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No idea what to say about this. I don't have access to the OTRS ticket which relates to this, so I don't know the source. Someone who can access the ticket should be able to help. In the meantime we just AGF. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's all, thanks. Moisejp (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for fixing the link for the first image, TRM. For the second image, possibly if Howcheng, who originally uploaded the photo in 2008, can help, that would be great, otherwise I'm satisfied to assume good faith. Moisejp (talk) 19:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I no longer have access to OTRS, but based on what I put in image description page when I uploaded, it was somebody's personal photo of Beattie that they declared as PD. —howcheng {chat} 00:55, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It all looks good, then. Thank you. Moisejp (talk) 14:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was dumb, TRM—I didn't realise it was a dab page (even though, yeah, it says), just a stub. But it is a shame not to be able to explain the term.
If we're going to mention Frans Thijssen in the lead, I suggest a brief explanation of who he was, in order to justify mentioning him. Otherwise you might be fighting off [who?] tags for a while. (Actually just "The midfielder..." would probably suffice.)
Ipswich had ended the previous campaign... Would it be simpler to say "Ipswich had finished the previous season in third place...", etc; that would also avoid the repetition of "...that season's...That season..."
Noting that you also haven't linked Cooper on first use, I see they all get linked in the tables. That's a helluva lot of linking—surely just link one would do?
Linked Cooper. I'm going to think about delinking in those tables, or making them sortable (in which case the linking could remain). I'll see how I feel about that! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sortable's a good idea for price-comparison purposes :) ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First names for Cooper, Brazil and Beattie? (Reading on, that applies to everyone that gets mentioned)
Done, and that's an artefact of not actually working on the article in top-to-bottom order. I realise I should do this and will double-double check before I'm done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why had Terry been suspended?
Well I'm afraid the source doesn't reflect on that, but I strongly suspect that the only reason would have been he was naughty in the previous game (or hit a card limit over the previous games...) I'll see if I can find another source for the game preceding this one to see if sheds any light on the deal. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great stuff! ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, Henderson's book notes that Butch was sent off against Southampton. Judging by the team lineups for the game after the Brighton defeat, he was only out for one game, so I strongly suspect it was two yellow cards what did for him. I've added the bare facts though. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Who did Robson remark too?
I'm not sure. He was quoted in the associated source, but I highly doubt he made that remark to the Aberdeen Evening Express. The source doesn't say who he said it to. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you need two "in"s: Ipswich ended the month in third place in the league, does it read okay with just the latter?
Probably reads better as "Ipswich ended the month third in the league" which is less fluff and less repetitive. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is interesting: Town's performance was similar; is "Town" intentional, or has "Ipswich" been lost?
Why is Eric Gates' sacking on "seemingly for..."? Is it uncertain what he was sent off for?
I think the dismissal wasn't in doubt, violent conduct, but the "seemingly" relates to the idea that he may have been retaliating. That's the bit that's in doubt. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
inflicting their second league defeat of the season on Ipswich How about "...inflicting Ipswich's second league defeat of the season"? Or even just "...inflicting Ipswich's second defeat of the season"?
The "league" bit is important, because Ipswich had already been defeated a couple of times in cup competitions prior to this second defeat in the league. But minor reword per your former suggestion. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
twelfth anniversary as Ipswich manager, and a 5–1 defeat...
Not a major point. Just thought it might sound a little punditry, but we haven't got an article to link to (the nearest is Form (horse racing), but that's eggy). ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ipswich easily won the replay 3–0, I wonder if we really need "easily"?
with goals from Eric Gates (2) and John Wark, his 25th goal in... Possibly (to remove bracketed goals) something like "with two goals from Eric Gates and John Wark scoring his 25th goal in..."
Abbreviation of Notts Forest to Forest; nothing wrong with this, it avoids repetition, but for consistency, what about Aston Villa, who are referred to >10 times in the prose, and yet never abbreviated once?
Ouch, must've been a bullet head. ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Talking of abbreviating club names, I see Aris Salonika is shortened to Aris, rather than Salonika?
Yes, that's because the Salonika is common to other clubs, like you'd never shorten Manchester United to Manchester (because of City!). The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dutch player Johnny Rep put the away team in the lead... is "home team" intended here? (For what it's worth, personally I don't think his nationality adds much value—"Johnny Rep put the French into the lead" would probably work as well.)
Well I quite like the Dutch aspect, but since I'd previously noted Ipswich's home ground was Portman Road, I felt the reader could handle this stretch... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I admit I'm confused now! So are Ipswich at home, and that's why Rep is in the away team? It's just that, I'm reading Ipswich faced French team AS Saint-Étienne in the quarter-finals in March 1981, the first leg being held in the Stade Geoffroy-Guichard to indicate that Ipswich was playing in St Étienne's stadium, which would make them the away team? No problem with keeping the Dutch bit though. ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)]][reply]
Gah, that's what happens when I try to rush things. It should (somewhat obviously now!!) say "put the home team" and thus now it does. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patience! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was Wark's 13th goal of the European campaign and in scoring it he ensured that he had, perhaps? Good to get rid of "scoring" when you use "scored" a few words later.
Cheers TRM, there's just one thing I'd like clarifying if you could, re. St Étienne. To mop my confused brow! ——SN54129 16:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is looking good. I noticed a lack of information about Paul Cooper. In such a magnificent season, the fact that he was the club's player of the year, means he was outstanding, yet the text only mentions him when we wasn't playing! Was it that season he saved a lot of penalties? There's generally a lack of mention of defensive players, except when they scored or were absent, which is I know hard to fix, but Cooper's omission is significant. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dweller I noted his (and his defenders') 27 clean sheets and also discovered that he was man of the match in the UEFA Cup final second leg, so added that into the prose too. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nicely done. I'll continue looking when I get a chance. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This article looks great from a quick glance and am reserving a spot for comments. Hoping you could provide comments to MAX Yellow Line in return. --truflip99 (talk) 22:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This equalled José Altafini's record of 14 goals for Milan in the 1962–63 European Cup. -- suggest adding to this so that it communicates that this was (1) the highest record at the time it was accomplished (2) later surpassed
I think (1) is covered by saying it was the record and (2) the lead isn't the place for that, this is explained in the prose later on. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
drawing with Leeds United, Liverpool and Manchester United, and a win at Sunderland -- perhaps better as "winning"?
Terry Butcher was suspended, having been sent off in the Southampton match. -- I would link Sent off (association football) for readers who don't know what this entails
Ipswich needed to win both games to remain in the title chase, and led 1–0 at half-time against Middlesbrough at Ayresome Park... -- consider splitting
FN 46 used six five times - aligns with text on 5/6. Last use is to reference, " Leading the way was Wark, who set a UEFA Cup record by scoring 14 goals, including two in the final", which I can't see in source....
Looks like just the image review - @Moisejp:, are you satisfied? --Ealdgyth (talk) 14:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes, sorry that wasn't clear. I had meant I was satisfied with the images. Thank you. Moisejp (talk) 14:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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