The oldest association football cup in the world, and 2017 was a veritable Clash of the Titans. An enjoyable read hopefully, full of lovey descriptive prose. Fingers crossed you can make both heads and tails of it. As always, I'll be my ever-diligent self when it comes to addressing all reasonable comments. Thanks in advance for your time and energy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.
It was the 136th FA Cup final overall and was the showpiece match of English football's primary cup competition, the Football Association Challenge Cup (FA Cup), organised by the Football Association (FA) - I feel the bit about it being the final of the FA Cup is a little more relevant than it being the 136th edition of it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
first final since 2003 in which both sides split the league games against each other during the course of the season, with a 3–0 victory by Arsenal in September 2016, and a 3–1 win by Chelsea in February 2017. - I think we could re-write this in such a way that would mean you don't need to know about the premier league. Maybe "The two sides had met twice in the Premier League in the season, with a 3–0 victory by Arsenal in September 2016, and a 3–1 win by Chelsea in February 2017, the first time since 2003 the sides had won once against each other coming into the final." or similar. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The game was broadcast live in the United Kingdom by both BBC and BT Sport. BBC One provided the free-to-air coverage and BT Sport 2 was the pay-TV alternative - I don't think we should mention "free-to-air" or "pay-TV", as arguably you have to pay to watch either. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
champions for the 2017 FA Community Shield. - in the 2017.... I know technically it is for the Shield, but we are saying they qualified to play in a match.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've never noticed this before, but why do we link the away stadiums in the route to the final table under "A"? If we need to have the links, surely there should be another column. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but it was yourself who actually told me it was! What about "London rival" club Tottenham Hotspur to avoid all of this? It's a bit interesting to me, as the article isn't on London rivalries, it's on the specific rivalry between the two clubs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)20:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
qualified for the 2017–18 UEFA Europa League group stage, having failed to qualify fo the 2017–18 UEFA Champions League - had they not already qualified for the Europa League from finishing 5th? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support, although I would say that I'm not the biggest fan of the links for the (H) and (A) in the table to the stadiums. Not enough to cause a fuss, but I'd say it probably is a question needing to be asked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)14:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Three weeks in and only one general support. Just a heads up that if there is not a fair bit of further activity over the next three or four days I am afraid that this nomination is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
distributed to volunteers involved in the FA's work - FA volunteers
Finalists stood to receive £900,000 minimum, the winners earned £1.8 million - is this 1.8m for the winners, 0.9m for the loosers
Security at Wembley Stadium was tightened in the wake of the Manchester Arena bombing; as a security measure Arsenal cancelled a screening - no big deal by "security" x 2...maybe "as a precaution"
It was the 136th FA Cup final overall and the showpiece match of English football's primary cup competition, the Football Association Challenge Cup (FA Cup), organised by the Football Association (FA). - This needs to be split as the tense is strange: The 136th bit gives the game's lineage, while the "showpiece match" presumably applies to every FA final...ie it somehow impies that the 135th final was not a showpiece. Either way, would the whole showpiece thing not be better for the article body than lead, as FA Cup is already blue.
The "on x minutes" construct appears frequently, and though I dont read sports pages or books, reads odd. Should On 68 minutes, Victor Moses fell in the Arsenal penalty area be eg "Victor Moses fell in the Arsenal penalty area during the 68th minute"? Not a deal breaker.
I am going to do a review of this in the next couple of days, but somewhat busy at this precise moment. So please don't close it just yet! — Amakuru (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm a bus that was stuck at the bus-stop for two days, but time to set off now. Structure, sourcing and completeness all seem to be there as usual, just a few minor points:
Route to the final:
"to see Arsenal win 5–0" - people do say this, obviously, but it sounds very slightly odd here; was it Walcott who saw them winning? Could rephrase to something like "completing a 5–0 win for Arsenal"
"they faced fellow Premier League Southampton" - we can say "Premier League Southampton" as a title, but sounds odd with the "fellow" in front; maybe insert "club" or "team" after Premier League?
"at St Mary's Stadium." - technically haven't been told Arsenal's home ground yet, so unless you follow the link you wouldn't know immediately that Arsenal were the away team here.
"quarter-finals" ... "semi-final" - is there a singular/plural mismatch here?
"The home side took the lead through Pedro" - maybe a comma after Pedro to help it scan? At first I thought "Pedro and Michy Batshuayi" were a pair of brothers...
"Three minutes later Tom Nicholls" - add a comma after later, for consistency with other phrases of this type
Should we put "no wrap" around the scores? I just noticed 2–0 straddling two lines and it looked a bit odd
"and were beaten seven times" - perhaps insert "in the final", to be sure this doesn't refer to elimination in earlier rounds
"Wenger admitted his team were outsiders for the final" - this doesn't seem consistent with what he said in the next sentence, "it's quite even or maybe Chelsea are ahead"; "outsiders" seems more extreme than that.
"Chelsea and Arsenal were expected to line up in a 3–4–3 formation" - it seems a bit superfluous to say what they were expected to do beforehand. Maybe instead say what the actual formations were at the start of the match summary.
"distributed to the "football family which..." - maybe attribute this to the FA?
"BBC One provided the free-to-air coverage and BT Sport 2 was the pay-TV alternative" - was there any difference between the two offerings? e.g. Would one get more features by within it on BT?
"Prince William, Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Greater Manchester and FA chairman Greg Clarke" - this might be confused for four different people; also not sure the Mayor link is necessary. Maybe rephrase to "Prince William, Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham and FA chairman Greg Clarke..."
Match summary:
"due to Ramsey ... due to Ramsey" - repetition
"Ramsey was shown the first yellow card of the match" - do we know what for?
"Due to the circumstances surrounding his appearance" - I was initially confused by this sentence as to whom it was referring, given that the name of the player is in the italicised title; it might not be repetitious to include "Mertesacker's" instead of "his", but up to you.