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Comments - Shame this made it so far down without comment; I've tried to give it a review now though.
"8 (19) February 1726" - I know you do this due to the Julian/Gregorian calendar thing, but it's never mentioned anywhere that you're doing it.
Note sure what to do here. I did not use the {{OldStyleDate}} template since it ridiculously places the "old style" in small case and right next to the "new date", while the Russian version is pretty good, with same letter size and additional tooltip commentary. I could write something like 8 (19) February 1726
It took me a bunch of research to figure out the difference between the head of government and head of state, and that the soviet "leader" was it's own, oddly amorphous thing that was generally synonymous with "General Secretary" of the party, and it would be really nice if this list explained a bit that "the government" and "the state" are separate things, with the definition/structure of "the state" changing in each form of government- right now it just talks about the different forms of "the government" there have been throughout history, but the words are confusing to people in countries where those are colloquially the same thing. Sort of an intro to the intro before you get into details.
The head of state (monarch, general secretary or president) is the highest political person. In pre-revolutionary years it was the monarch who could have absolute (under absolutism) or less control over the state. I am not sure how it was in Soviet era. In contemporary Russia since the ratification of the constitution it is the president, who has such rights as liquidation of the State Duma, removal of deputies from office, control over domestic and foreign policy or being Supreme Commander-in-Chief
The head of government chairs the government, which since the creation of the Committee of Ministers consists of several ministries, such as Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Ministry of Culture. He has factually decided the most important duties
Capitalize Count in the "age" sentence, and consider moving it to the end of the last real paragraph before the date thing
Done
Why do you italicize titles? (Duke, Count, etc.)
Done
You say Ivan Andreyevich Veydemeyer is under Paul in the table, but link to Paul I and call him Paul I thereafter
I see it linked, but I found another similar nuance
I'm not sure the colors on the left side make any sense, given that you have the political party colored the same way 4 columns over
It's a bit weird that you use a different date format in the Cabinets than anywhere else in the list.
Changed
Why does Yeltsin (Russian Federation table) get 2 start dates but 1 end date without explanation?
Changed the dates there and above as is described by most of the sources
More than half the links here are redirecting, generally to alternate spellings or dropping the middle name. Not required to fix, just pointing out.
Consider archiving your online references with a service like archive.org/web or webcitation.org, so that changes/removals of content do not impact your citations
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I am nominating this for featured list because after a failed featured list nomination and a more recent peer review, I feel that this meets the criteria (sorry for the cliche). I find this topic an interesting one, particularly the usage of the East Caribbean Dollar. Thanks, Matty.00718:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's still part of North America, as are the Dutch municipalities / constituent countries of Aruba, Bonaire, Curaçao, Sint Maarten, Sint Eustatius, and Saba; and the French overseas regions/territories Guadaloupe, St Barts, Saint Martin, and Martinique. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 17:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IMO but there shouldn't be captionless images. You can't assume layout will always place an image next to the descriptive text.
I've had issues with this before. I've put in [[File:Kelk i.jpg|350px|right|The East Caribbean dollar reverse sides]], what do I need to do to get the caption to show? Thanks, Matty.00718:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What is the criteria for appearing in the third table? The Netherlands and France are sovereign nations with territory in North America. Personally the nation listed should be those, rather than their constituent parts. It would be akin to listing "Hawaii" in a list of Oceanian currencies. Where they use a different currency than the rest of their country should be noted.
Oh, I see, it's the same dreadful division used in the list of countries in North America... yeah, don't go by that. It's dreadful. I would list the sovereign countries in North America - which includes France and, I believe, The Netherlands and possibly Denmark - and have sub-rows for the particular parts of those countries where they use a different currency. Specifically, Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba don't use the Euro, despite being (I believe) fundamental units of the Netherlands. Greenland and Aruba's relationship with Denmark and The Netherlands, respectively, is a little beyond me, so I leave that to others, but I believe those to be considered integral parts of their nations as well. Listing Guadeloupe and Martinique separately makes no more sense than listing Hawaii and Alaska separately, and shouldn't be done. (Saint Martin... That's a weird one).
Sorry, please can you clear this up for me? What scheme should I go by? Also, I'm afraid I have no idea how to do a sub-row... Thanks, Matty.00718:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see zero reason to include Clipperton Island as an 'other area' with 'no currency', yet Navassa Island is included in 'dependences' with 'dollar', despite both being entirely uninhabited.
Whoops. Changed Navassa to uninhabited
Furthermore, while the text supplies lots of info on the East Caribbean dollar, it doesn't spend a single word on these other countries, for example explaining how these fundamental units of other countries are using different currencies from the rest of their country, or even who these other countries belong to. It talks about how Panama and Cuba use two currencies, yet no explanation of Sint Maarten using two currencies, or anything about the Netherlands Antilles Guilder. There also needs to be a discussion in the text on how it's not just U.S. territories using the U.S. dollar, since it's also used in the British Virgin Islands, and how the British territories collectively use four different currencies.
I can't discuss all the currencies in the text (think of what I would have to do for Africa!), what inclusion criteria should I use? Thanks, Matty.00718:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm against including the 'previous currency' column; if someone is interested in what preceded a currency, they can click the article on it. It's bad form to just include the immediately previous one, and in many cases that isn't accurate (for example, Panama didn't use the Colombian peso; Colombia did, and then Panama split from them. And how many centuries ago did Belize cease using the Spanish dollar?)
At present this is more a list of areas and what currencies they use... rather than the list of currencies. Start from there, and we'll have a better result.
This isn't a list of the currencies used in North America. This is a list of the countries and dependencies in North America, and what currencies they use. The list would rightly be "East Caribbean Dollar, Euro, U.S. Dollar", etc., rather than "Bermuda, Bahamas, Panama, ...". --Golbez (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I made the exact comment last nomination. The way the list is structured now, it looks like there are far more currencies than actually exist. You made a list of countries, with currency as a column. I strongly believe it should be a list of currencies, with the country (or countries) as a column, given the title of the article. Mattximus (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. I was thinking this morning, "Just because it's a list of X doesn't mean that has to be the primary column." For example, a list of current governors of U.S. states would be organized by state, not governor. But you hit it on the head - there are many fewer currencies in use than there are countries. My proposal is: Currency, Symbol, Decimal unit, and then subrows (using rowspans) for each country using it and the year it was introduced. The 'previous currency' adds nothing; why is the Colombian currency previous for Panama but not the British currency previous for the United States? --Golbez (talk)
Much better, but there are still some clean up issues. Why would you have none (uninhabited) as a row? What is the logic behind dividing the the table into three (the US dollar, for example, appears 3 times)? Mattximus (talk) 21:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be better to include the name of the country perhaps in italics in brackets after the dependencies. And the title of that column can't just be countries (maybe countries and dependencies?) Mattximus (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are 25 currencies in the table, but the lead says 18 + 4? Also the first sentence of the second paragraph is a passive mess and needs to be rewritten to be clarified. Mattximus (talk) 20:16, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think one more column should be added, the three letter ISO 4217 code is quite useful. After this change I am satisfied with the table. Then the lead needs quite a bit of work, it's not very well written, but I'll see if I can get to it. Mattximus (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is against consensus. Originally, the ISO codes were there, then a few editors said it would be better removed, therefore consensus exists against it. Thanks, Matty.00716:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the archived nomination, but could not find ISO opposition. Which editors were opposed to the three letter code? Also I have to oppose on prose, it needs a major rewrite. Especially notable are passive sentences galore. For example consider which sentence is more clear, the first is in the article, the second is my rewrite:
"By the number of countries in North America sharing a currency, the East Caribbean dollar is most used."
"The East Caribean dollar is used in the most number of countries in North America."
All tables now sortable by individual locations versus blocks in some cases. Second table- removed sorting from fractional unit (all the same). Third table- removed extra column with a single rogue cent denomination listed, removed "Euro" from Netherlands Antillean guilder row. Each table edit is independent, feel free to revert if it's not an improvement.-Godot13 (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delegate's comment - This nomination has been archived. There will be a delay in the closing of this nomination; please be patient. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I have put a lot of effort into meeting all of the FL criteria. If you oppose for any reason, let me know and I will correct them to bring the article up to the standard. KaneZolanski (talk) 20:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comments It's clear you've put a lot of effort into this. Here are some suggestions for improvement.
More referencing in the lead especially for Billboard rankings and awards.
What does Vevo-certified mean and what makes it important? Highlight this to the reader.
add alt text for the main image
Keep same wording in each table for example in the pre-fame video section, the subtitle shows Album but the table has Mixtape instead.
Change each table heading so that they are uniform in order. The Year column especially changes position a lot. I would suggest Year being the first column.
Italicise every album title in all the tables
In cameo appearances, hiphopmovie.com a website directed the video? Is there no person that is named to have done the directing on their behalf?
In filmography section, any reason for having the television heading, documentaries etc. within the tables when they're already titled?
In television section, the table isn't closed.
Check Ref. 26, 37, 49, 62, 106 as they are dead links.
More referencing in the lead especially for Billboard rankings and awards. DONE
What does Vevo-certified mean and what makes it important? Highlight this to the reader. DONE
add alt text for the main image DONE
Keep same wording in each table for example in the pre-fame video section, the subtitle shows Album but the table has Mixtape instead. DONE
Change each table heading so that they are uniform in order. The Year column especially changes position a lot. I would suggest Year being the first column. DONE
Italicise every album title in all the tables DONE
In cameo appearances, hiphopmovie.com a website directed the video? Is there no person that is named to have done the directing on their behalf? No, there isn't. It is just labelled as being directed by "hiphopmovie.com"
In filmography section, any reason for having the television heading, documentaries etc. within the tables when they're already titled? DONE
In television section, the table isn't closed. DONE
Check Ref. 26, 37, 49, 62, 106 as they are dead links. DONE
Comment if you open the first link in the article, you'll see that videography means "the process of capturing moving images on electronic media". It doesn't mean "a collection of music videos". This article should thus be moved to "Nicki Minaj filmography" or "list of Nicki Minaj music videos".—indopug (talk) 10:09, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
indopug, This isn’t just a list of music videos, or a list of films. it includes music videos, film, television, cameo appearances, commericals exc. which all fall under the process of shooting a moving image. On wikipedia, most lists of music artists' music videos and details of other filmed processes they have been involved in are catergorised under “videography”. For example, Rihanna videography (which has garnered featured list status). It seems as though, on Wikipedia, people who don’t have enough of a catalogue in each, such as film, television and music videos exc. are listed under a general scope of videography as it allows for a more comprehensive article, rather than small undeveloped sub lists. But even so, Madonna has both a videography and filmography, both of which have featured list status, also. From this, it is my understanding that this is just the way such listings are catergorised on Wikipedia. Thanks for your comment. KaneZolanski (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Quite a number of issues with this list that'll keep me from supporting from now, I'm afraid.
"Her fist solo music video" wasn't "Massive Attack" – all her mixtape videos are still videos she released as a solo artist, no?
I altered the sentence to iterate the fact that it was her first solo music video released under her major.
"...spawning cover versions by Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift." - how is this relevant to an article about videos by Minaj?
This has now been removed.
"Non Album Single" shouldn't be italicized, and shouldn't be written with the first letter of each word capitalized.
I have since made the correct changes needed.
What's the point of a "Denotes music videos that have not yet been released" note when all of these videos have been released?
These have now been removed.
Discogs is not a reliable source.
Discogs reference has been removed and replaced.
All of those company names shouldn't be italicised.
Italicised company names have now been reverted to standard text.
What are those small grey boxes which randomly appear before each subsection of the "Filmography" section?
They are now removed.
These are all just on first-glance; there's still quite an amount of comments which I didn't add regarding more minor problems which I have with this list in its current state. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to oppose for now; I think this was nominated prematurely and the article still needs some sprucing up. Holiday56 (talk) 08:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why split all her pre-2010 music videos as "pre-fame"? It's pretty subjective (and therefore impossible to adequately source) for one to determine the exact point when somebody becomes famous—she had quite a number of supporters even before she released her debut album.
Holiday56, these were videos released prior to her signing to a major record label. Would you advise listing them as such instead?
I'd honestly rather just have all her solo videos merged into one table, just as other discographies/videographies do. Mixtapes are albums, so it's fine to leave the "Album" column intact. Holiday56 (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a number of prepositions and articles which shouldn't be capitalised.
Vevo should not be styled as "'Vevo'" in the introduction.
Done
"As of April 2014, 'Super Bass' has over 400 million YouTube views making Minaj the second most-viewed black solo-performer in history, after Rihanna's video for her song 'Diamonds'."
I would clarify that the "Super Bass" itself is the second most-viewed music video by a solo black performer, and not that Minaj herself is the second most-viewed solo black performer.
Done
I personally think that the "Pre-fame videos" table should be merged with the "As lead artist" table; her varying levels of fame don't determine whether or not she was the lead artist.
These videos were all released prior to Minaj signing to a major label and were in support of mixtapes, Would you still suggest a merger? Or maybe a retitling of the "pre-fame" section?
I still think it would be a good idea to merge, especially since they use all of the same fields.
WikiRedactor, one uses album and the other mixtape. how would you suggest labelling that column, if a merger is the best option?
Please remove the wikilink for The Pink Print, since its article currently redirects back to the Nicki Minaj article.
Done
The "V" in "Collaboration Videos" should not be capitalised.
Done
I would suggest moving the "As featured artist" table after the "As lead artist" table, which I personally feel would be a better flow.
Done
The "As an actress" and "As a personality" tables can be merged, since neither section is very large in the first place.
Those in "As a personality" aren't cinematic releases, thus there is no calculation of Box-office. Would you still suggest a merger?
That's a good point; on second thought, I think it would be best to leave those as-is.
Looking at the "References" section, I see several citations that lack publishers, dates, authors, etc. in their templates. I also see inconsistent date formatting; you should pick one style and stick with it throughout the article (I personally prefer writing the date out.)
<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/1644594/nicki-minaj-explains-her-violent-death-in-your-love-video/ Nicki Minaj Explains Her Violent Death In ‘Your Love’ Video - MTV<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
This template would be considered incomplete, because it is missing information about the author, publisher, date, and access date. I would use the cite web template for these kinds of situations, and after filling in all of the necessary fields, it would look like this:
<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/1644594/nicki-minaj-explains-her-violent-death-in-your-love-video/|title=Nicki Minaj Explains Her Violent Death In 'Your Love' Video|last=Reid|firts=Shaheem|publisher=MTV News. Viacom|date=July 28, 2010|accessdate=May 26, 2014}}</ref>
I see that the cite web template is used in some spots in the article, so I recommend that you go through and convert all of the other references over to this format.
DONEWikiRedactor (talk) 21:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as I see many flaws, mainly with references:
"The videography of Trinidadian-born American rapper Nicki Minaj consists of....." would read better as something like "Trinidadian-American rapper Nicki Minaj has starred in....."
Done
"This method of certification is a means of recognising videos that have reached over 100 million views, It was introduced by Vevo in June, 2012." simply doesn't belong
One of the other editors on this page suggested I outlined this, but it has now been removed.
There is no need to link years in the video sections
When using multiple articles from the same source (i.e. I see you have many MTV refs), only link the work and publisher in the first ref used from said source
Remember to keep references consistent (i.e. don't use "MTV" in one ref and "MTV.com" in another when citing MTV, include publishers for all or none of a recurring source)
Oppose Multiple ref issues: they do not go with {{Cite web}} and some of them are unreliable sources (such as "ThatGrapeJuice", is a trash source) — Simon (talk) 14:24, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Could you define what being Vevo certified means? I assume it means being viewed a certain number of times, but are those views exclusively on the Vevo channel? What is the threshold for number of views?
Is it possible to get sources outside of Youtube for the mixtape videos? If the videos were deleted or moved the sources would no longer be usable, so it's better to have a source that can be archived.
The references for "Lookin Ass Nigga" need to be done up, they're still bare URLs with bot titles. I can see a couple more Bot generated title ones too, they need to be fixed.
Why does the featured artists section have pictures, but the artists one doesn't? Maybe some pictures of her regular collaborators/directors would be good.
There's a big reliance on mtv.com for references. I'd suggest using a couple of other sites to increase variation (such as the Japanese database by Space Showerhere
"ft" should be written "featuring"
How can she make a cameo appearance when she's "pre-fame"? I'm fairly certain you can't call performing songs at a concert (i.e. Britney Spears Live: The Femme Fatale Tour) a cameo, either, she's just a performer.
Delegate's Comment - This nomination has been archived. The nominator is requested to wait at least two weeks before nominating this or another list at FLC. The time should be spent addressing issues brought up during this nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I am the original creator of this article, and I am extremely shocked to see this here. The article is missing references all over the place and could be written a million times better than it currently is. OpposeAndre666 (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, this list was created by splitting the Jimi Hendrix discography, which predates Andre's involvement. Additionally, it has undergone significant expansion since his last edit on 9/3/2011[6] and includes many new specific and general references. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked really hard on it meets the majority of the criteria it didn't use to meet on the first nomination. Besides this reason, Bruno Mars might not have an extensive career but he has already won a lot of awards and nominations due to his efforts as a singer, producer and song-writer. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Tables needs to have both row and col scopes included per MOS:DTT for accessibility. Use plainrowheaders as well to avoid boldface row headings which some editors dislike.
Awards in the infobox are not in alphabetical order. Also check the awards in the infobox match the ones in the main article and vice versa. I haven't checked that this is the case in this article, but it is something people often seem to miss.Cowlibob (talk) 12:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what happened but a bunch of the awards that were in the main article like ALMA, BET are not in the infobox anymore. I apologise if I wasn't clear. I just suggested the awards that were listed in the various tables in the article should match the ones in the infobox and for them to be in alphabetical order in the infobox. So please add the awards missing from the infobox and order them.Cowlibob (talk) 17:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ALMA, ARIA,Channel V, MTV platinum, MYX, MP3 music, NAACP, Nickelodeon, O Music, Premios viva, Radio disney, RTHK, UK Music Video, Virgin Media Music and World Music awards are missing from the infobox. Please add. Cowlibob (talk) 15:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding those who have subcategories such as Nickelodeon: Do I put the five nominations together or do I separate them, like Nickelodeon and Nickelodeon Australia? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So I have added all to the infobox except the World Music Awards, I'm waiting for it's results. They come out on Thursday/Wednesday and I will update them by then. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that sources are not unified: for example, there are sources "Billboard.com", others "Billboard (magazine)". Besides, sources such as Yahoo! Voice, MTV, Digital Spy... are not italicized — Simon (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Besides that, there are sources that are not WP:RS, such as ref #72 is AntiMusic and ref #133 is PopCrush, both are not suitable for an FL. — Simon (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]