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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promotedbyMatthewedwards 06:02, 31 July 2009 [1].

List of Grade I listed buildings in South Somerset[edit]

Nominator(s): — Rod ^talk 17:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of Grade I listed buildings in South Somerset/archive1

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I am nominating List of Grade I listed buildings in South Somerset for featured list because I believe it meets the FL criteria. It is the latest in a series (see List of Grade I listed buildings in Somerset) and largely follows the format of List of Grade I listed buildings in Mendip, the most recently promoted to FL. — Rod ^talk 17:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comment Images need alternative text per criterion 5b. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response alt images added saying Photograph of X.— Rod ^talk 19:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] It is very hard to describe architecture (for me at least), but could you be a little more descriptive in your alt text? See List of listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area). Dabomb87 (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] I've added to the alt tags attempting to describe in words what the pictures show - but I would agee this is not easy.— Rod ^talk 10:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] This just occurred to me, but would it, in your opinion, be useful to add a "date listed" column? Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response I don't think so - this would be an administrative action not related to the age or state of the building, but dependent on the specific councils or quangos concerned. They have been carried out over the last 50 years (originally as grades A, B &C) & then regraded to Grade I. If we were going to add the date of original listing we should also add the dates(s) of reclassification/relisting. In my opinion this would just make the list messy without adding anything useful for the reader.— Rod ^talk 19:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] OK, thanks for your response. I was just curious. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "Since the Reformation the 13th-century Hanging Chapel in Langport, has been" Remove the comma. "Naish Priory, ~~which was~~ built around " "has parts dating to the 14th century, with other sections dating to the 15th, 16th, 18th, and 20th centuries" I don't think you need to tell us every century that sections dated back to. Perhaps "has parts dating to as early as the 14th century" Also, change the semicolon at the end to a period. "Nikolaus Pevsner praised it saying"-->Nikolaus Pevsner praised it, saying "two giant Corinthian pilasters,[28] The" I think that comma should be a period. "The small William and Mary style[29] house, was" No comma. "between 1725–30 by"-->between 1725 and 30 by "has been described as the most beautiful house in England." This is a pretty big claim, you might mention who said it in the text. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response - thanks I think I've got all of those now.— Rod ^talk 19:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comment Images need alternative text per criterion 5b. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response alt images added saying Photograph of X.— Rod ^talk 19:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is very hard to describe architecture (for me at least), but could you be a little more descriptive in your alt text? See List of listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area). Dabomb87 (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added to the alt tags attempting to describe in words what the pictures show - but I would agee this is not easy.— Rod ^talk 10:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This just occurred to me, but would it, in your opinion, be useful to add a "date listed" column? Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response I don't think so - this would be an administrative action not related to the age or state of the building, but dependent on the specific councils or quangos concerned. They have been carried out over the last 50 years (originally as grades A, B &C) & then regraded to Grade I. If we were going to add the date of original listing we should also add the dates(s) of reclassification/relisting. In my opinion this would just make the list messy without adding anything useful for the reader.— Rod ^talk 19:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for your response. I was just curious. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"Since the Reformation the 13th-century Hanging Chapel in Langport, has been" Remove the comma.
"Naish Priory, ~~which was~~ built around "
"has parts dating to the 14th century, with other sections dating to the 15th, 16th, 18th, and 20th centuries" I don't think you need to tell us every century that sections dated back to. Perhaps "has parts dating to as early as the 14th century" Also, change the semicolon at the end to a period.
"Nikolaus Pevsner praised it saying"-->Nikolaus Pevsner praised it, saying
"two giant Corinthian pilasters,[28] The" I think that comma should be a period.
"The small William and Mary style[29] house, was" No comma.
"between 1725–30 by"-->between 1725 and 30 by
"has been described as the most beautiful house in England." This is a pretty big claim, you might mention who said it in the text. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - thanks I think I've got all of those now.— Rod ^talk 19:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~The toolbox reveals a couple dead links (external link checker).~~ Dabomb87 (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - South Somerset Council is showing an internal server error - this was fine a couple of days ago & I think is temporary over the weekend - I'll check again on Monday.— Rod ^talk 19:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response2 - I don't know what happened to their server yesterday but all now showing as OK.— Rod ^talk 08:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) Lead This is a huge lead, wow. The Ham stone Stoke sub Hamdon Priory is a 14th-century former priests house of the chantry chapel of St Nicholas,[7] which after 1518 become a farm, known as Parsonage Farmhouse. -- is priests suppose to be plural? Since the Reformation the 13th-century Hanging Chapel in Langport, has been a town hall,[9] courthouse,[10] grammar school,[11] museum,[10] and armoury,[12] before becoming a masonic hall in 1891.[ -- 1)Comma after the Reformation2)Remove the comma after Langport and after armoury The 140-foot (43 m) Burton Pynsent Monument was designed in 1757,[18] by Capability Brown for William Pitt, as a monument to Sir William Pynsent. -- Remove the comma after 1757 and after William Pitt The commas are correct here, as they set off a nonessential clause. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] King Alfred's Tower, a 161 feet (49 m) high, triangular edifice, stands near to Egbert's stone, where it is believed that Alfred the Great, King of Wessex, rallied the Saxons in May 878 before the Battle of Ethandun. Lytes Cary and its associated chapel and gardens, has parts dating to the 14th century, with other sections dating to the 15th, 16th, 18th, and 20th centuries; -- Remove the comma after gardens Ven House, which stands on an artificially raised terrace, has a rectangular plan of 7 bays by 5 bays, and is built of red brick in Flemish bond, with local Ham stone dressings; its north and south fronts are divided by two giant Corinthian pilasters, -- The final comma should be a period. The small William and Mary style[29] house, was completed in 1698–1700, and was enlarged between 1725–30 by Decimus Burton, who provided a new drawing-room for Sir W. Medleycott and an orangery. -- Remove the comma before was completed and before and was englarged Images Some of the images have captions which need to have their periods removed because they are not complete sentences. Sexey's Hospital which was built around 1630 as almshouses. -- also add a comma before which Barrington Court which was built in the 16th century and was the first house acquired by the National Trust, in 1907 soon after its formation. -- add a comma before which Notes Note 1: Add an a before significant--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Dabs and external links check out fine.--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response - Thanks, I think some of these had been dealt with by Dabomb87 or by my previous edit, but I think I've got the rest now. I'm not sure an "a" is needed before significant in Note 1.— Rod ^talk 20:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] That's fine.--Truco ₅₀₃ 02:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
Lead

This is a huge lead, wow.
The Ham stone Stoke sub Hamdon Priory is a 14th-century former priests house of the chantry chapel of St Nicholas,[7] which after 1518 become a farm, known as Parsonage Farmhouse. -- is priests suppose to be plural?
Since the Reformation the 13th-century Hanging Chapel in Langport, has been a town hall,[9] courthouse,[10] grammar school,[11] museum,[10] and armoury,[12] before becoming a masonic hall in 1891.[ -- 1)Comma after the Reformation2)Remove the comma after Langport and after armoury
The 140-foot (43 m) Burton Pynsent Monument was designed in 1757,[18] by Capability Brown for William Pitt, as a monument to Sir William Pynsent. -- Remove the comma after 1757 and after William Pitt

The commas are correct here, as they set off a nonessential clause. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King Alfred's Tower, a 161 feet (49 m) high, triangular edifice, stands near to Egbert's stone, where it is believed that Alfred the Great, King of Wessex, rallied the Saxons in May 878 before the Battle of Ethandun.
Lytes Cary and its associated chapel and gardens, has parts dating to the 14th century, with other sections dating to the 15th, 16th, 18th, and 20th centuries; -- Remove the comma after gardens
Ven House, which stands on an artificially raised terrace, has a rectangular plan of 7 bays by 5 bays, and is built of red brick in Flemish bond, with local Ham stone dressings; its north and south fronts are divided by two giant Corinthian pilasters, -- The final comma should be a period.
The small William and Mary style[29] house, was completed in 1698–1700, and was enlarged between 1725–30 by Decimus Burton, who provided a new drawing-room for Sir W. Medleycott and an orangery. -- Remove the comma before was completed and before and was englarged

Images

Some of the images have captions which need to have their periods removed because they are not complete sentences.

Sexey's Hospital which was built around 1630 as almshouses. -- also add a comma before which
Barrington Court which was built in the 16th century and was the first house acquired by the National Trust, in 1907 soon after its formation. -- add a comma before which

Notes

Note 1: Add an a before significant--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dabs and external links check out fine.--Truco ₅₀₃ 19:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - Thanks, I think some of these had been dealt with by Dabomb87 or by my previous edit, but I think I've got the rest now. I'm not sure an "a" is needed before significant in Note 1.— Rod ^talk 20:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine.--Truco ₅₀₃ 02:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 02:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note from Hassocks: I will provide a review when I get home tonight. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Done, as below. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Bencherlite with a few minor provisos:

"The house known as the The Abbey" – too many "the"s!

Several "the"s removed

As the source says, Barrington Court was the first country house, not the first house, to be acquired by the National Trust, so the image caption is slightly misleading.

Changed to country house

Consider saying "The architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner" instead of just "Nikolaus Pevsner", to provide extra context.

Done

I also wonder whether the first and second paragraphs could be joined, also the fourth and fifth; WP:LEAD does suggest four paragraphs as a maximum. Otherwise, excellent work once again. Bencherlite ^Talk 13:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - minor changes above made - the first 2 paragraphs are about different topics but I've combined the later ones into one (large) paragraph - It was at FLC on a previous nomination that I was asked to expand the lead as not enough info was provided!. Thanks for the helpful comments.— Rod ^talk 14:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~Support from Hassocks5489

Resolved comments from Hassocks5489
As with previous Somerset lists, it's looking good, and there is very little more needed. To ensure I'm just reviewing this list on its merits against the criteria, I haven't looked back at them. Pics Just a personal preference. The most striking picture (of a good selection) is King Alfred's Tower. Could it be moved to the top? Much as I like church pics (I spend much time photographing them down my way!), the unique nature of the tower would make it a great lead image. The pics are currently in date order (oldest to newest), but I'm happy to change this if this is consensus. Prose In the sentence beginning "Most are Norman- or medieval-era churches...", the commas are having to work too hard (does that make sense?!). Demarcating the clause "a collection of distinctive, mostly spireless Gothic church towers" with dashes would make the sentence easier to follow. Done (but I've probably used the wrong dashes) Comma is probably not needed in "which after 1518 become a farm, known as Parsonage Farmhouse". Done A whoopsie in the third paragraph: "Yoevil". Done "It was intended by its funder, Henry Hoare, to commemorate...": passive voice, and slightly awkward. Perhaps try "Its funder, Henry Hoare, planned for it to/intended that it commemorate..." (not sure of the best wording; various options there). Done Re. Bencherlite's comment about Barrington House: although the image caption has been corrected, the text in paragraph 3 of the lead still says "the first house". Done "Lytes Cary and its associated chapel and gardens has parts...": "has" → "have" sounds better to me, but I'm not sure. Done (but I'm never sure about that one}) Wikilinks to Bay (architecture) and Decimus Burton would add value in paragraph 3. Done "1725 and 30" → "1725 and 1730". Done ...who provided a new drawing-room for Sir W. Medleycott and an orangery": reminds me of the ancient joke, "So I leant out of the window in my pyjamas – which is a strange place to have a window..." :) Can the sentence be reorganised a bit? I appreciate that Sir Medleycott didn't have both things built for him, so it might make it a bit more complex. Done - I'm sure that joke was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang & takes me back to my youth. Table itself Everything looks great! Notes, captions etc. Current ref [7]: typo ("Somrset"). Done Current ref [98]: missing comma before "Shepton Beauchamp" (for consistency). Done Current note 5: I'd prefer "Street" in full. Done In current notes 8 and 10, directions such as "north east" would probably be better as one word. MOS Directions and regions is not clear on this In the picture caption for St John the Evangelist in Milborne Port, add "The" at the start of the sentence. Done Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response - thanks agin for helpful & detailed comments - most dealt with as set out above.— Rod ^talk 19:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Hassocks5489

As with previous Somerset lists, it's looking good, and there is very little more needed. To ensure I'm just reviewing this list on its merits against the criteria, I haven't looked back at them.

Pics

Just a personal preference. The most striking picture (of a good selection) is King Alfred's Tower. Could it be moved to the top? Much as I like church pics (I spend much time photographing them down my way!), the unique nature of the tower would make it a great lead image.

The pics are currently in date order (oldest to newest), but I'm happy to change this if this is consensus.

Prose

In the sentence beginning "Most are Norman- or medieval-era churches...", the commas are having to work too hard (does that make sense?!). Demarcating the clause "a collection of distinctive, mostly spireless Gothic church towers" with dashes would make the sentence easier to follow.

Done (but I've probably used the wrong dashes)

Comma is probably not needed in "which after 1518 become a farm, known as Parsonage Farmhouse".

Done

A whoopsie in the third paragraph: "Yoevil".

Done

"It was intended by its funder, Henry Hoare, to commemorate...": passive voice, and slightly awkward. Perhaps try "Its funder, Henry Hoare, planned for it to/intended that it commemorate..." (not sure of the best wording; various options there).

Done

Re. Bencherlite's comment about Barrington House: although the image caption has been corrected, the text in paragraph 3 of the lead still says "the first house".

Done

"Lytes Cary and its associated chapel and gardens has parts...": "has" → "have" sounds better to me, but I'm not sure.

Done (but I'm never sure about that one})

Wikilinks to Bay (architecture) and Decimus Burton would add value in paragraph 3.

Done

"1725 and 30" → "1725 and 1730".

Done

...who provided a new drawing-room for Sir W. Medleycott and an orangery": reminds me of the ancient joke, "So I leant out of the window in my pyjamas – which is a strange place to have a window..." :) Can the sentence be reorganised a bit? I appreciate that Sir Medleycott didn't have both things built for him, so it might make it a bit more complex.

Done - I'm sure that joke was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang & takes me back to my youth.

Table itself

Everything looks great!

Notes, captions etc.

Current ref [7]: typo ("Somrset").

Done

Current ref [98]: missing comma before "Shepton Beauchamp" (for consistency).

Done

Current note 5: I'd prefer "Street" in full.

Done

In current notes 8 and 10, directions such as "north east" would probably be better as one word.

MOS Directions and regions is not clear on this

In the picture caption for St John the Evangelist in Milborne Port, add "The" at the start of the sentence.

Done

Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - thanks agin for helpful & detailed comments - most dealt with as set out above.— Rod ^talk 19:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of my comments have been satisfied, noting the point about MOS inconsistency over "north east" v "northeast" etc. I changed the dashes to unspaced em dashes, although spaced en dashes are fine as well. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Mild oppose - excellent, but a couple of things that stood out for me. Last two sentences of the first para of lead are really short, sort of reading disjointed. Can you elegantly merge this information somehow? I've merged then, but I've never been accused of being elegant. "Ham stone" redirects to Hamstone here on Wikipedia. I think that would be better, especially when you have Ham stone Stoke sub Hamdon Priory - linktastic. I think I've got all of these - there is also Ham Hill and High Ham to get in the way "Its funder, Henry Hoare..." maybe it's been a long day for me, but I think this is slightly ambiguous as to whether you're referring to the stone or the tower from the previous sentence. I changed this after a previous comment above - I've had another go Ham stone (see above though) is linked twice in the lead. As is Tudor (to the architecture article). Done 7 bays by 5 bays - no reason for this not to be "seven bays by five bays" is there? Done " in 1698–1700." - inelegant, perhaps "sometime between 1698 and 1700"? Done "Early 13th century" sorts after "13th century and 15th century" but before "13th century". I've now got "Early 13th" before "13th" with "13th & 15th" coming in that list - awkward but I can't see anything better note 1 - "organization's" - should be using BritEng I suspect for such a Brit-centric list - organisation's. Done Refs 1 & 12 should have `format=PDF`. Done Ref 8 has National Trust in italics (a`work` perhaps?) while Ref 27 has it in regular font (a`publisher` I suspect) - I imagine the latter is what you're after. Done Ref 32 is a Daily Telegraph ref but it links to our own article on Waugh - no way of finding the author, title etc of this ref? Problem - I took this from the Brympton d'Evercy article (which doesn't include further details) & thought it made a nice closing sentence for the lead, however the Telegraph online archive doesn't appear to go back that far & I can't find the details. The "authorlink=" makes it link to his article. Shall I remove this sentence? Ref 90 seems to be missing its publisher. Check others. Done & I can't see any others with this problem The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response - Thanks for spotting these - mostly dealt with but see Waugh reference problem above.— Rod ^talk 17:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Interesting problem. I found this link which attributes the quote to a "Christopher Hussey", writing about architecture for the Country Life magazine; this interesting link isn't much other than another opinion on how beautiful it is, but it's still interesting; this one may even be useful. Not much on attribution of the claim to Waugh though... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response - User talk:GiacomoReturned is currently searching for the clipping from the Telegraph. I have changed this to Christopher Hussey with cite per your first suggestion - Do you think this is OK?— Rod ^talk 20:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] Response2 - Thanks to some detective work by User:GiacomoReturned this has returned to Auberon Waugh but with a full citation.— Rod ^talk 20:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*Mild oppose - excellent, but a couple of things that stood out for me.

- Last two sentences of the first para of lead are really short, sort of reading disjointed. Can you elegantly merge this information somehow?

I've merged then, but I've never been accused of being elegant.

- "Ham stone" redirects to Hamstone here on Wikipedia. I think that would be better, especially when you have Ham stone Stoke sub Hamdon Priory - linktastic.

I think I've got all of these - there is also Ham Hill and High Ham to get in the way

- "Its funder, Henry Hoare..." maybe it's been a long day for me, but I think this is slightly ambiguous as to whether you're referring to the stone or the tower from the previous sentence.

I changed this after a previous comment above - I've had another go

- Ham stone (see above though) is linked twice in the lead. As is Tudor (to the architecture article).

Done

- 7 bays by 5 bays - no reason for this not to be "seven bays by five bays" is there?

Done

- " in 1698–1700." - inelegant, perhaps "sometime between 1698 and 1700"?

Done

- "Early 13th century" sorts after "13th century and 15th century" but before "13th century".

I've now got "Early 13th" before "13th" with "13th & 15th" coming in that list - awkward but I can't see anything better

- note 1 - "organization's" - should be using BritEng I suspect for such a Brit-centric list - organisation's.

Done

- Refs 1 & 12 should have format=PDF.

Done

- Ref 8 has National Trust in italics (awork perhaps?) while Ref 27 has it in regular font (apublisher I suspect) - I imagine the latter is what you're after.

Done

- Ref 32 is a Daily Telegraph ref but it links to our own article on Waugh - no way of finding the author, title etc of this ref?

Problem - I took this from the Brympton d'Evercy article (which doesn't include further details) & thought it made a nice closing sentence for the lead, however the Telegraph online archive doesn't appear to go back that far & I can't find the details. The "authorlink=" makes it link to his article. Shall I remove this sentence?

- Ref 90 seems to be missing its publisher. Check others.

Done & I can't see any others with this problem

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - Thanks for spotting these - mostly dealt with but see Waugh reference problem above.— Rod ^talk 17:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting problem. I found this link which attributes the quote to a "Christopher Hussey", writing about architecture for the Country Life magazine; this interesting link isn't much other than another opinion on how beautiful it is, but it's still interesting; this one may even be useful. Not much on attribution of the claim to Waugh though... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - User talk:GiacomoReturned is currently searching for the clipping from the Telegraph. I have changed this to Christopher Hussey with cite per your first suggestion - Do you think this is OK?— Rod ^talk 20:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Response2 - Thanks to some detective work by User:GiacomoReturned this has returned to Auberon Waugh but with a full citation.— Rod ^talk 20:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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