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Up until now, Wikipedia has written about the band W.E.T. (Work Of Art, Eclipse, Talisman) in English, but now I can't find it. Only in German. What is the reason for this? 46.139.144.117 (talk) 09:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article W.E.T. (band) was deleted on 20 February 2017, the reason being (A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject) - That deletion was over 7 years ago, so hardly "up until now", but I can't find it under any other title. Arjayay (talk) 09:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that even this year they wrote about them in English. I thought about them:

https://kepkuldes.com/image/TIGIc0

If they had been deleted 7 years ago, they would not have been written about this year. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 10:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we have Eclipse (band), but this isn't the article about W.E.T. which has indeed been deleted 7 years ago. Lectonar (talk) 10:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I was thinking of the band W.E.T., which has Jeff Scott Soto as the lead singer." 46.139.144.117 (talk) 10:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no relation between your link and Wikipedia. W.E.T. (Q4016784) has links to articles in German, Italian and Portuguese but no English link since W.E.T. (band) was deleted in 2017. If you used a browser with machine translation to English then it's possible you actually saw one of the three non-English Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia itself does not offer machine translation. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

W.E.T. seems to have been a side project of Eclipse, as is mentioned in the article I linked to. Lectonar (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought of them.:

https://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/wetband2018_638.jpg 46.139.144.117 (talk) 10:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not what Lectonar and PrimeHunter are trying to say. I believe they are talking about how the Wikipedia article has been deleted, but the band still exists. Regards — 48JCL 11:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found it in German, but not in English. They even wrote about them in English this year. Is it possible that it was deleted because it is being edited as the new album might be coming out which is still no news? 46.139.144.117 (talk) 13:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/wetband2018_638.jpg gives an access denied error for me. You have still given no evidence of an English Wikipedia article since 2017 and nobody can find any signs of such an article. Maybe you saw a copy of the old deleted article at a website with no affiliation to Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was no copy, because wikipedia also wrote this in the "discography": "Yet to be titled (2024)" 46.139.144.117 (talk) 15:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a quote from Jeff Scott Soto#with W.E.T. The article has a few mentions of W.E.T. but it's a biography of a specific musician who has done many other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was posted sometime:

https://m.facebook.com/ 46.139.144.117 (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the front page of Facebook. The content is tailored to the viewer. You keep posting links where nobody else can find anything related to Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't know any other way, because I can't find it either. Even this year, Wikipedia wrote about them in English. Then suddenly I couldn't find the English wikipedia about them. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The jpeg that you linked to above is from this article from 2018. The site blabbermouth.net prevents people from opening links directly to their images so that competitors don't use up all their bandwidth. The solution there is to link to the actual webpage you were reading and not an image you found on it. The same site posted another article in 2020, they're mentioned in passing in 2023, again on blabbermouth.net which seems to have more coverage of this particular band than anywhere else. In particular the English Wikipedia hasn't had an article on W.E.T. since 2017. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I remember how it was. If it hadn't been, I wouldn't have seen it in English at the beginning of 2024 either. I saw it in English then. But I can't find it for a few days. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 19:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A likely explination is that you saw a site mirroring wikipedia, either that or you are simply misremembering the time you last read said article. -- D'n'B-t -- 19:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. It really was wikipedia. I don't know which day it disappeared, because I last looked for it sometime in the spring of 2024, since then I looked for it for the first time and I couldn't find it anymore. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. It really was wikipedia. I don't know which day it disappeared, because I last looked for it sometime in the spring of 2024, since then I looked for it for the first time and I couldn't find it anymore. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles about the bands Wet, Wet Wet Wet, Wet Leg, The Weathergirls and Travis - could you possibly have read one of those? The article on W.E.T. absolutely was deleted in 2017 and I'm struggling to get why you're so adamant that this isn't the case. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because I remember that it wasn't canceled then, because if it had been canceled then, I wouldn't have seen it at all this year. Really. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I'm not adamant, but you insist on this equation. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 09:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We've given you the most likely plausible explanations for what it is that you saw. You are, of course, free to not accept these, but we have nothing else to say about it. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering why what I remember happened? 46.139.144.117 (talk) 09:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this article had been deleted in 2017, I would not have seen the albums listed in the discography. I would never have found this article before. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article might have the awnsers you're looking for. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I searched for 4m, but I couldn't find it either. Maybe they could delete it because it is being edited because of the new album (which will be released this year)? 46.139.144.117 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What outcome are you hoping for here? -- D'n'B-t -- 09:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the last Wikipedia article I found about them at the beginning of this year removed? I am waiting for an answer from whoever deals with such edits. 46.139.144.117 (talk) 11:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, You can view the deletion log here. Is that all or were you hoping for something else? -- D'n'B-t -- 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was posted about the band on Facebook a long time ago:

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100063598687182&story_fbid=744686534327963 46.139.144.117 (talk) 11:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Dr Ram Prasath Manohar V IAS - Wikipedia

recently I have submitted this new page. It got rejected "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes.

I need help doing this. Freedomwriter90 (talk) 06:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedomwriter90 On how to add citations correctly, see WP:TUTORIAL. You should also look at WP:EL and WP:PUFFERY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

got it. Have added the citation. Its really easy. Freedomwriter90 (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freedomwriter90, you might think that you have done so, but vast swathes of your draft remain unreferenced, and your draft cannot possibly be accepted in its current state. You still have a lot of work to do. Cullen328 (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for highlighting. Should I have to add more citations? Freedomwriter90 (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of your reference formatting is wrong. See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to insert refs into the text so that the software program will add a superscripted number there and compile all of the references at the end of the article. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freedomwriter90 You claim that all eight of the photographs are your "Own work", meaning that in the Wikipedia definition of these words, that you personally took all those photos. Is this true? And that suggests you have either a peronal or paid connection to Dr. Manohar - is that true? David notMD (talk) 21:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were publicly distributed along with press releases. They don't have any copyright. Should I change that? Freedomwriter90 (talk) 00:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright is assumed. Delete all. Presence or absence of images has not effect on establishing notability of an article. David notMD (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure will do that. Freedomwriter90 (talk) 08:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

My name is Yinka and I'm new to wiki and have been trying to make as much contributions as i can and so far it's pretty much going well. I made a wiki article on a really notable political figure in my country which i think will be so great to have on wiki because he is well known nationally here but has little media coverage as he is of the far more older generation. In a history class i attended he was talked about and i decided to gather all the resources/references i can and create a wiki article on this figure. the problem is wikipedia is asking for more reliable sources and i'm in between two mountains of abandoning an article which is legit due to minimal "reliable sources" i cited or keep trying. Yinka Williams (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Yinka Williams and welcome to Wikipedia! I assume you are referring to your declined draft Draft:Benjamin Benedict Apugo. The golden rule of writing on Wikipedia is that we can only accept articles on subjects which have received significant coverageinreliable sources that are independent of the topic. If he is a renowned figure as you say, there must be an entry in a biographical dictionary, a profile on a newspaper, or a similar reliable source that you can use to support your article. Broc (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Broc ! He does have articles on reliable sources in my country and also sources on the WP:NGRS list. but i guess i will work on modifying the article to only state the facts sourced from sources on the reliable sources list. Yinka Williams (talk) 10:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping to @SafariScribe who reviewed the AFC draft. Broc (talk) 11:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy Ping ? you mean like this Courtesy ping: SafariScribe ? Haha ! please forgive me i am spending a lot of time learning the terms but at least i get better and fall in love with writing more everyday as i learn. Yinka Williams (talk) 11:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yinka Williams yes, when you mention a user in a talk page, they receive a notification (see Help:Notifications). In this case, I wanted to make SafariScribe aware of this conversation, as they reviewed your draft. Broc (talk) 12:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ! I love this community. as a young researcher and writer who just turned 19 this is where to be ! I am making more adjustments to the article and i ran into a more few much more reliable citations using the list. I thank you so much for the guide ! Yinka Williams (talk) 12:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yinka Williams You have created two drafts about the same person Draft:Prince B.B Apugo and Draft:Benjamin Benedict Apugo. Decide which to continue with and tag the other for deletion by putting Db-author at the top inside of double curly brackets {{ }}. David notMD (talk) 22:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've so been looking to do this. Thanks a bunch ! it's been done. Yinka Williams (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bracketing the deletion request in nowiki was wrong, but it does not matter. An editor made this one article: Benjamin Benedict Apugo. And then the same editor nominated if for deletion. That process typically takes 7-10 days, as the end of which an Administrator makes a keep ort delete decision. During this time you can work to improve the article and also propose at the AfD that it be kept, providing your reasons there. David notMD (talk) 02:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, It was a mistake that i marked this article for deletion instead of the other. I don't know if that is my fault. but editors need to consider that know how to navigate wiki and skill of getting reliable info are two different things. i spent months researching this article and i see far less reliable articles on wiki. Please how do i revert this decision ? Yinka Williams (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot revert an AfD nomination. You can, as you did, make an argument for keeping the article at the AfD, and also improve the article. David notMD (talk) 02:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working on style edits in List of Cthulhu Mythos books As a reader unfamiliar with Cthulhu Mythos, the long quote at the beginning of Testaments of Carnamagos section https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cthulhu_Mythos_books&action=edit&section=36 is much clearer than a lot of the other sections written from in-narrative perspective. Would this format be worthwhile to standardize across the article? Or maybe including a quote in each section would be too long in an already lengthy article? Agnieszka653 (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Agnieszka653 I'm afraid that Teahouse hosts tend to be generalists who provide advice about editing, and are not specialists in arcane literature. On the other hand, that list has 85 page watchers, who are, presumably, interested in it. You should use the Talk Page to ask your question and perhaps mention you have started a discussion on the Talk Page of the Horror Project which relates to it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a fan of the Mythos, I think your 'standardisation' plan for this article is an excellent one, and I don't think overall length is a problem, since the Contents box enables easy navigation. I encourage you to continue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 11:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - I have been using {avoided double redirect} incorrectly and creating categorization redundancy. I would like to request anyone with experience with automation to run a (hopefully already existing) script to prune redirects created by my account. Alternatively, any helpful pointers to completing this task on my own would be appreciated (should I try AWB?). Tule-hog (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tule-hog Welcome to teahouse! I would ask this in WP:Village Pump (Technical) where more technical editors might be able to help! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've used Wikipedia for a while now and I cannot figure out how to make replies not indent, especially when using * to make a bullet point. It always automatically adds : to the beginning when I press "reply" even if I use the source editor, and I have to go back and make another edit to remove the :. Should I not be using the reply button and just using the source editor for the whole page or something?? PersusjCP (talk) 20:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PersusjCP: Yeah, that's the "Reply" button adding the automatic indent. I don't think there's a way to disable it. When replying to a discussion where I don't want the automatic indent, I usually just click "edit source" for the section and add my comment manually. C F A 💬 20:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll just start doing that :) PersusjCP (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indenting replies helps keep long/complex discussions readable and easy to navigate, so please consider sticking to this convention unless you are absolutely certain that it is not necessary. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 02:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes, of course, you may be responding directly to a comment that already has a string of serially-indented replies that diverge from your point: in that case it's best to add only the appropriate 'one more colon', which is easiest using 'Edit source', but you can also use 'Reply' and then go immediately into Edit source to modify the number of colons. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 11:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, I'm currently editing a page on Mordialloc, Victoria, and I'm just wondering what colour box colour should I use? i.e., the 903 bus route on wikipedia is generally red with the colour tag of d7171f like this:  903 . If anybody knows about an organised colour system for bus stops, please let me know! Thanks! AntiMono (talk) 23:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AntiMono welcome to Teahouse! I first checked if List of bus routes in Melbourne has some ideas, but didn't see anything. So I would recommend asking on the talk page of Talk:Mordialloc, Victoria and WikiProject Australian Transport ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would someone please help me with a submission. I don't know what I did wrong. Will someone please help me?

Synoptics Synoptics (talk) 01:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: User:Synoptics/sandbox Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics: Hi, I've fixed some of the citation errors in your draft that were causing some references to not display. Regarding your submission, it was declined because it needs more reliable sources to support the information. You're on the right track, but there are a few issues: Wiktionary is not a reliable source on Wikipedia because it is an open wiki and thus is user-generated content. SoundCloud also generally should not be used because it is more user-generated content. I don't know much about the three news articles you've cited; they seem to be local Christian newspapers so I don't see a reason they wouldn't be reliable. I'd imagine it'll be accepted if you find a few other news articles to use as citations. C F A 💬 01:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find my article. How do I find it to edit it? Synoptics (talk) 02:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics: It's at User:Synoptics/sandbox. If you want to resubmit it, you can click the blue "Resubmit" button at the bottom of the decline notice. C F A 💬 02:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made suggested changes as far as I know. But I cannot get the lyrics and critical reviews to show up. Could someone please help me further? I am making great progress due to the help of two of you very gracious people. Thank you. I published the improvements I made. But did not resubmit yet. I want to make sure we get it right. Synoptics (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics: Looks like they're there now. Do you need help with anything else? If not, happy editing! C F A 💬 03:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are so, so kind. I assumed you made the lyrics and critical reviews appear. If you did, thank you. I added the reference from the Baptist Messenger. The Baptist Press was already mentioned. But the K-love reference appears in the citations twice. Would you please make sure it does not appear twice if it's not supposed to appear the second time? I am so indebted to you. Synoptics (talk) 03:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics:  Done. Fixed the duplicate reference. Not sure why the sections weren't showing before, but I didn't do anything to fix it. Probably just a glitch. Let us know if you need any more help. Happy editing! C F A 💬 04:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to bother you again. I think I did something to make the critical review section disappear. What I did was paste the Metro Voice News reference after the first paragraph in the critical review section, and I pasted the abbreviated reference for the K-love radio article after the two last critical reviews paragraphs. The reference numbers showed up fine. But then after awhile, the critical review section disappeared. So I deleted those references, but that critical review section has not reappeared. Could you please help me figure out how to put those referenced after the first paragraph and the last two paragraphs? Also the Baptist Press reference needs to be pasted after the last sentence in the second paragraph. I did paste the appreviated reference there for the Baptist Press, and the footnote number showed up. But I deleted it, too, along with the others. Synoptics (talk) 05:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Lyrics were quoted by the Metro Voice News Artcile. I pasted that one after the last line of the lyrics, but the Lyrics disappeared eventually, not right away. When the Lyrics disappeared, there were deleted. I deleted the reference from Metro Voice News and pasted the Lyrics back in and they did stay. Can you please help me paste the Metro Voice News reference after the Lyrics to document that that's where they came fromt? Synoptics (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can ignore my last two messages. I fised some things. There are just two things I'd like to know if you would please help me. After the lyrics, the Metro Voice News reference needs to be placed after the last line. And at the end of the first paragraph in the Critical Review section, the Baptist Press refereneces needs to be added. I messed both up when I tried doing it. But I added two other great sources. Synoptics (talk) 06:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics:  Done. Also fixed some reference errors. Let us know if you need anything else. C F A 💬 13:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just found a wonderful way to make the info box superb, but do not know how to do this. Would you please make it look like the info box of Eternal Father, Strong to Save? In mine, Service Hymn of the Royal Navy would say Service Hymn of the Space Force. Navy Hymn has a sample audio. The sample audio for Space Force Hymn is at a link here: https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/en/product/creator-of-the-universe-the-space-force-hymn-21691914.html

This would be an outstanding touch with the title Creator of the Universe above the info box like the Navy Hymn does. Please help me. Synoptics (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The music in this audio is done by my friend: Sung by Dan Kreider and Hymnworks.com That could be below the audio just like Sung by the US Navy Band's "See Chanters" is below the audio on their info box. Synoptics (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To do it like Navy Hymn's info box: his goes in the info box too:

Lyrics James F. Linzey, 2020

Music James F. Linzey, 2020 Synoptics (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You got the years up. You're really good. Thank you. Synoptics (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I managed to get the audio uploaded. Will you please help me put a nice header on it like on the info box? You are extremely nice. Also, I sourced the first paragraph. It's the same reference as the last paragraph. Did I do this correctly? Synoptics (talk) 05:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added it to the infobox for you. C F A 💬 15:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SafariScribe seems stressed out. Nothing makes this article suitable to SafariScribe. i've complete revampled this to no avail. Synoptics (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping: SafariScribe. C F A 💬 15:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoptics, although I am stressed, that doesn't mean you should keep resubmitting a draft without improvement, or seeking enquiry. However, you did well. I have moved your draft too. Congratulations! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so, so much. I apologize for what I said. Synoptics (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you are good. Thank you. I'll presume the audio can't get on. But thank you so much. Synoptics (talk) 17:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The audio you linked is presumably copyrighted and can't be uploaded to Wikipedia. I looked on Commons for a free version but I couldn't find one. If you do, I'd be happy to add it to the infobox for you. C F A 💬 17:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/8316088126.html There is an audio link that can be downloaded at this article where it says Audio download. Can that be downloaded and used? Synoptics (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no copyright license listed anywhere, so I assume it can't. It gets a bit more complicated when it involves the government/military. If it was recorded by the Space Force itself then it would likely be in the public domain. I'm not the guy to ask about media copyright; maybe try asking a new question here or at the Help Desk. Happy editing! C F A 💬 17:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it ok if i publish any article directly without making Draft and getting reviewed.(Just asking is it possible or not,please dont get me wrong.)
--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 04:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Im not sure Dt12345673838 (talk) 05:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup! You can move your article from the draft space to the mainspace with the move tool. Note that we still will review article per New Page Patrol, but it has a lower standard, and we can't just decline it, it has to be tagged for deletion. Lordseriouspig 07:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm.I see in bengali Wikipedia that one can use draft prefix if only he wishes.otherwise he can directly publish it.and i was in confusion if english wikipedia applies similar role or not.However, in bengali Wikipedia,if you publish a draft:article you can also move it by yourself to mainapace.
overall every wikis follows different standards maybe and thats what made me confused.
--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 07:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Here, you can create an article with the WP:Article Wizard and then manually move it to the mainspace when it's done . Lordseriouspig 07:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, although perhaps not recommended, on English Wikipedia you don't have to use the Draft namespace if you don't want to, right? So we are the same as Bengali Wikipedia in that regard? Commander Keane (talk) 09:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Commander Keane Correct. Editors can create drafts wherever they like, perhaps never save/publishing them until they are finished. However, only autoconfirmed editors can then directly place their work into mainspace (e.g. by searching for the proposed article title and clicking on the redlink in the search output). WP:AUTOPATROLLED editors will usually do it that way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Elliot Salkow

I need help with my draft please. Some suggestions and a bit of help editing it from the pros. Much appreciated. Thank you so much. Dt12345673838 (talk) 05:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dt12345673838: I see the draft has been reviewed and accepted. However, please stop removing the copyvio-revdel tag from the top of the article (this needs to be resolved by an administrator, if you disagree with it please post on the articles talk page. It's also considered bad form to remove maintenance templates from an article if you published it yourself, especially when other edits disagree with that removal. Mdann52 (talk) 06:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks. How do I go about getting it verifed by someone, so then it can be removed? Dt12345673838 (talk) 06:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have hidden the copyright-violating versions. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi everyone need help for Draft:Akhtar Hayat Khan IGP KP Pakistan, the reviewer rejected twice, hayat is currently the IGP of KP. He's also an award winning police officer (Sitara-e-Shujaat) second-highest civil award for bravery bestowed by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Even every article mentioned his name and work the reviewer says the article still fails gng? Janabanigu (talk) 08:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have resubmitted it, so you can see what the next reviewer says. He may be notable as a government official, but you haven't shown that yet. Most of the coverage about him is very brief, or the sources just document his actions. It would help to have sources that specifically describe which conduct merited him the award. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot thanks for the suggestions. just add more references and expanded more things. you can see Janabanigu (talk) 08:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m a more established editor, and this is a secondary account for the purpose of unpaid COI editing. This is my first draft for which I have a clear COI.

Unfortunately, the reviewer (with whom I have a fundamental disagreement on what sigcov for a company constitutes) is does not appear to be reachable, which means that the primary issue (excluding visual editor screw-ups, which I failed to check) of notability remains unaddressed. Could some (who preferably but not necessary speaks German) check the discussions on my talk page and on the draft, just to verify that at least the new sources are enough to get over the notability line?

Thank you. HelixUnwinding (talk) 09:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note for non-German editors: FAZ is a newspaper of record, and Juve, LTO and Azur are the three “standard” online legal news sites in Germany. HelixUnwinding (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @HelixUnwinding: based on a fairly quick scan through the sources, they appear to be mostly routine business reporting, although I'd say #10 is quite solid, and #11 seems pretty good also. We normally require 3+ sources that squarely meet the WP:GNG standard as required by WP:NCORP, therefore my conclusion is that we're almost but not quite yet there. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. There is also this, which isn’t in the article yet. I also have this and this by FT, and this work with refugees, though I’m not sure if that’s an RS? Nevertheless, it should get us over the line, right?HelixUnwinding (talk) 10:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That first FT article looks good for notability. It is based on the views of people independent of Bryter who have used it and the FT is certainly a WP:RS. The second is an interview, so not useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! So we’re over the notability line? HelixUnwinding (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HelixUnwinding: I suggest you cite those additional sources in the draft (assuming they actually support something in it), and resubmit; that way you'll get a full review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thank very very much! HelixUnwinding (talk) 13:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A pastor, Cliffe Knechtle, widely on the internet advertises his name as "Cliffe Knechtle wikipedia." I use wikipedia frequently to get info, but can NOT find any wikipedia commentary on Cliffe Knechtle. This is confusing... 2601:189:4580:D6C0:951B:C958:89C7:E1F2 (talk) 12:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a declined draft here Draft:Cliffe Knechtle. Theroadislong (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it's himself who says "Cliffe Knechtle wikipedia." There was briefly an article at Cliffe Knechtle on two days. The HTML title would have been "Cliffe Knechtle - Wikipedia". It was probably copied by some software. Lots of websites copy our articles. It's allowed if they satisfy Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been attempting to improve the Nonmetal article by editing its content on the historical discovery of nonmetals, such as hydrogen, carbon, and bromine. The context is that I'm trying to develop the article with a view to a (further) FAC nomination.

Recently, one editor has deleted all of this content, supported by another editor, on the grounds of irrelevance (eh?). It's now apparently up to me to achieve consensus for (re)inclusion of this disputed content per WP:ONUS. The content in question is here [1].

Really? This seems like a bizarre way to build encyclopedic content. The subject matter has been in the article since 2015. Through nine FAC nominations (2021–2024), there have been no objections or comments about its inclusion. The most recent content, was supported by five reliable sources. After nearly a decade, it is unlikely that this content has suddenly become non-notable. Removing such information could be seen as knowledge censorship, which contradicts Wikipedia's principles. Indeed, WP:FAC criterion 1b. is, "comprehensive: it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context".

I've suggested to the initiating editor that if they still feel so disposed, the most appropriate course of action would be to seek to obtain consensus for removal of the content via an RFC. My suggestion was ignored, the initiatng editor simply reverted the content that I had re-added.

At this time I'm not sure whether to seek the assistance of an Admin, or to consider another option.

I'm not a new editor; I've been editing since 2011 (ca. 28,100 edits), and have managed to get three technical articles to FAC standard, but have never experienced anything like this before. It's rather demoralising. Thank you. — Sandbh (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HiSandbh. I'm sorry you're experiencing a frustrating situation, and it's one I've also experienced. We have a weird situation where no one is quite sure how ONUS is meant to apply to long-standing content, but attempts to clarify the policy have been unsuccessful. As slow—perhaps unnecessarily so—as it might seem, you should pursue some dispute resolution. Maybe WP:Third opinion, if only one other editor is involved, or an WP:RFC or the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard if more people are participating. The good news is that the policy WP:NOCON says that the disputed content should probably be restored if no consensus can be reached.

You might also want to put a pin in that issue while you work through improving the rest of the article. It's likely you and the others will mostly agree on improvements to the article, and a shared experience in the trenches might make everyone a bit more amenable to compromise. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks very much. ONUS says, "Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article." That is fine by me, once consensus is established. But how is consenus determined? In this case one editor, supported by another editor, removed the content. I objected and restored the content, which has once again been removed from the article. Does two against one represent "consensus" in favour of the two i.e. to delete? I doubt it. I'm not even sure this is the right place to ask such a question, and am happy to ask elsewhere if needs be. --- Sandbh (talk) 06:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are the positive/negative numbers a type of ranking or voting? Is it generated automatically by Wikipedia? Travelingsponge (talk) 14:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The green and red numbers in the revision history of articles and talk pages denote how many bytes were added or subtracted by the user's edit. Perception312 (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Travelingsponge: For context, one byte is roughly equal to one single character, so a (−60) means that the page lost about 60 characters in that edit. A (+40), on the other hand, means that the page gained about 40 characters in that edit. C F A 💬 14:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you. Travelingsponge (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The House of Life is an important element in the ancient Egyptian temple tradition, it is also the name of the Mystery School I am now opening after studying this tradition for nearly 50 years. I have prepared a draft page in my sandbox (netertgold). I do not want to write a scholarly article on the subject but to present the opportunity to bring these teachings into the world through my books (see amazon) I do not want to offend the self-promotion rule which I perfectly understand. - (there are No fees involved in my school). so I am asking for your advice. My work is similar, though not identical to Dolores Ashcroft- Nowicki (SOL) who was my first teacher and also to the Fellowship of Isis - (both have Wicki pages)

Please advise if I may proceed with this project. Netertgold (talk) 14:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse @Netertgold. You may not use your user page in this way. See WP:USER to see what is permitted on your user page. If you are now opening this school it is very unlikely to meet our notability criteria, and I think you will be wasting your time, but if you still want to go ahead I suggest you begin by reading Help:Your first article, and then follow the instructions on that page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The term '<\rfdef>' is confusing, so how do i use it? I've seen it being used, but it's very confusing. Can someone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.120.103 (talk) 14:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP editor. Sorry you've had to wait so long for a reply. This is more of a holding response, as I'm not familiar with the use of the term myself. Could you link to where you've seen it in use please?

I can find no use of it here on English Wikipedia at all, though have found {{rfdef|en}} in use on our sister project, Wiktionary. There, it seems to be used to highlight a word where a definition is deemed to be needed, with the requirement of specifying in which language that definition is needed in. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Template:rfdef.

I could only find one page here on English Wikipedia which even mentions that template (but not in the format you've shown), though it still relates to people fixing Typos and the need to have clarity on Wiktionary (see Wikipedia:Typo Team/Wiktionary cheat sheet).

Maybe other users here have encountered this. Sorry I can't help further, but I just didn't want you to think your query was being completely ignored. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Go to p (wynn not p) on Wiktionary — Preceding unsigned comment added by QeedVann (talk • contribs) 14:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I added an image of the reverse of an Super Audio CD to its article. It's in the infobox. Does anyone want to review my edit? Thanks in advance. R2D2Poland (talk) 17:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@R2D2Poland Welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. This edit you made looks fine to me, using a scan that you did yourself. To be honest, if you were unsure as to whether it was necessary, it might have been better to have raised it on the article's own talk page. But I think it was a useful addition - so thank you very much.

I have left you a welcome message on your own user page with some useful links to help get you started. Good luck on your Wikipedia Adventure. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Testing on my sandbox something and occurred some glitch maybe.6th number color is not visible on pie chart.
--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: User:KEmel49/sandbox 3
--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I fixed it; you can revert my edit if you want though. You forgot the hashtag for the color. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ping: @KEmel49 GoldRomean (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry my bad, and why should i revert? you saved me and solved something and also i learned something from you too.cheers,

--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome :D. I was just thinking that you might've wanted to try it yourself (or disliked people editing your personal sandbox). Anyway, have a nice day! GoldRomean (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I source a PDF? I’m trying to source a pdf for an article but the default citation thing seems to return an error. I’ve accessed the link through a google search link - if that helps. SillySarah321 (talk) 19:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you should link that url, not the pdf file.However you can share the URL here (maybe your google search link) we shall try.
--kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the URL used should be for the PDF, not a Google search result. It might be that there's an error in the citation template syntax, SillySarah321. Could you paste it here so we can check it? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The URL is https://www.scotborders.gov.uk/downloads/file/831/broughton.pdf and the article is Broughton, Scottish Borders SillySarah321 (talk) 20:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To cite that, you should use something like <ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.scotborders.gov.uk/downloads/file/831/broughton.pdf|title=Settlement profile: Broughton|work=Local Development Plan|publisher=Scottish Borders Council|accessdate=20 July 2024}}</ref>, which would render as "Settlement profile: Broughton" (PDF). Local Development Plan. Scottish Borders Council. Retrieved 20 July 2024. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much and have a nice day SillySarah321 (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I live in Slovakia and I have been reading many of the edits made by other editors which have distinctly discriminatory and inaccurate information about some places that have cultural value in Slovakia. In particular, any mention of Slavic gods is accompanied by a reference to a single paper by Catholic activists claiming that there never were any Slavic gods. This is extremely problematic and offensive. Many of the churches and monasteries in Slovakia are established on known holy springs. Those churches supplanted much older pagan worship temples. This is well documented and known by most of the population. Please do not interject your beliefs in order to erase the beliefs of others. AntiDionysius, I am looking at you. Brusnice (talk) 22:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm not a Christian, so jot that down, and while I understand this is an issue that is important to you, please remember to assume other editors are acting in good faith and that making an edit you disagree with does not mean they are out to get you.

This situation is a good example of that; I have absolutely zero opinion of or knowledge on the status of pre-Christian Slavic gods (except one time I did go to a traditional springtime festival in Czechia and drank mead and watched them burn an effigy of the personification of winter, which was fascinating, but I digress). I reverted your edit because, like I said in my message on your talk page, I was passing by and saw you changing something in an article without providing a source. I have no stake in the content dispute. I hadn't read the article before your edit. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then the alterations in the English version of Wikipedia needs better review. Because I just went to the Slovak version and it included the fact that the monastery was established in the 1300s, with Roman coins showing habitation to the 9th. Who is disputing it? Brusnice (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. You're the one who said there are people making changes; presumably those are the people disputing it.

I agree, English Wikipedia could always do better. Part of keeping the Wiki up to high standards is stopping unsourced additions of content; that's why I reverted your edit. It's no deeper than that. If you want to re-make the edit with reference to a source, then go ahead. AntiDionysius (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Brusnice, does the information in the Slovak version have a reference? If so, and assuming that reference meets the criteria at WP:42, you could add the information with that reference. Otherwise, on English Wikipedia, unsourced content is usually removed by whoever sees it, regardless of their religion, nationality, or anything else. If the information is well known in Slovakia, you should have no trouble finding a good reference to back you up. Sources don't need to be in English, but they do need to contain the information you're adding (or returning to the article if it was previously deleted).

Please also refrain from making comments that sound very much like personal attacks, such as 'do not interject your beliefs in order to erase the beliefs of others'. You are assuming that the editors removing information are doing it to attack your country's history due to their religious bias, rather than taking the removal in good faith and assuming they - like you - are trying to improve Wikipedia. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brusnice, your guesses about what other editors know nothing about are not helpful. All that matters on Wikipedia is accurately summarizing what reliable sources say, not any editor's individual perception of another editor's knowledge or lack thereof. Cullen328 (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wish this editor would also actually name any sources they are objecting to. And stop adding unsourced to Krásny Brod as well as Waymarking.com which is crowdsourced. Doug Weller talk 15:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to save a draft while editing so as not lose all the work of the day. if I refresh the page then many of my edits and contributions do not show up Gvbkwikiya (talk) 23:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You click "publish changes". That should be understood to mean "save", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say save, but was changed to emphasize that all edits are public.(even drafts) 331dot (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for helping and for the quick response! Gvbkwikiya (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might also find it helpful to copy your work to a plain text editor on your computer as a backup while you're working on an article. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 05:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, it appears that me decreasing the size myself hastily instead of waiting for the bot to do it has made it so that the bigger image didn't disappear.
How long will it take for the big image to disappear?
File: File:Seal of Ambazonia (Sako).png  Kxeon (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HiKxeon. I have tagged the file with {{subst:Orphaned non-free revisions}}. This should get the old version deleted in a week. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thx! Kxeon (talk) 00:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was recently editing the 2019 FIBA 3x3 U23 World Cup – Men's tournament and while editing the Final standings table, it messed up really badly but I don't know why. I recently added a Template:3x3u23 for u23 3x3 basketball teams but it is like the table is rejecting the template because if you use the Template:3x3, it works, but not the 3x3u23 one. Does anyone know what has gone wrong? Here's the link: 2019 FIBA 3x3 U23 World Cup – Men's tournament#Final standings. Thanks in advance ILoveSport2006 (talk) 00:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HiILoveSport2006. I have removed some misplaced code [2] which was included in the transclusion and broke the table. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. I have seen what you did and will remember it for any future times. Thanks :) ILoveSport2006 (talk) 01:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didn’t he play Winthrop Perue in Music Man before he played Opie on Andy Griffith? 76.91.247.126 (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Howard played Winthrop Paroo in The Music Man, which had its premiere in June 1962, so after he was cast as Opie in 1960. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've fat-fingered the issue button twice in 20 minutes, don't think this is unique to me and seems annoying for any developer to be sent on a wild goose chase trying to figure out whats wrong with random pages when there isn't a problem

Thanks, Plaea (talk) 04:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Plaea: See Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/graphics/europe-immigration-muslim-refugees-portraits and https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/magazine/the-new-europeans.html ?-Ganeemath (talk) 07:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What kinda sentence can we add with those sources? To which article/s?-Ganeemath (talk) 07:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 2024-05-22T20:48:31‎ I added a complete list of publications by John B. Goodenough, a Chemistry Nobel Prize recipient, who recently died at the age of 101. 3 weeks later, a deletionist removed my list, as recorded here: John B. Goodenough: Revision history - Wikipedia

2024-06-11T08:08:44‎ Mikhail Ryazanov talk contribs‎ m  41,597 bytes −224,070‎  →‎Works: MOS:CAPS, WP:NOTDATABASE (unformatted data dump isn't needed at all) undothank  .

My question is: I feel, that the publication list is appropriate for Wikipedia, but I do not want to start a war with the deletionist. How do I proceed? Walter Tau (talk) 08:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome. While you don't need to start a "war", you do need to discuss your concerns with the other editor and explain why you see merit in your edit. If that fails to resolve the dispute, there are avenues of dispute resolution.

I would note that the user offered a policy to support their position. Wikipedia is not simply a collection of information about someone- notability and other policies, as well as consensus, determine what is included. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are other Lists of Publications on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_publications_by_Ottaviano_Petrucci . Thank you for your suggestion. I will send samples links with existing Publications Lists on Wikipedia. What do I do, if the other editor dismisses the existing examples of Publications Lists?

Walter Tau, a massive 224 K byte complete list of publications is not appropriate. It is excessive. A properly written Wikipedia biography is not a complete curriculum vitae. Instead, compile a much more concise curated list of his most frequently cited works. Since you are one of Goodenough's past colleagues, you have a conflict of interest and should defer to editors lacking a conflict of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 08:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for List of publications by Ottaviano Petrucci, that is vastly shorter than your list, and so not a valid comparison at all. Cullen328 (talk) 08:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply, Cullen328 . I understand your rationale.

I want to ask now about the "conflict of interest" policy,

Usually, people, who have conflicts of interest, are the ones, who know the most about the subject. I am sure, I am not the first person in such situation. What is the proper way to handle it? Walter Tau (talk) 08:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The easiest way to go about it is to use the {{Edit COI}} template to place a request on the article's talk page. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'm pinging @Mikhail Ryazanov as that hasn't been done which it should have been. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article already contains Selected works and Selected books. That is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am a bit confused how these suggestions reconcile to MOS:LISTSOFWORKS, which says: "Lists of published works should be included... The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles. Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship are encouraged..." (my emphasis) --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that implicity refers to things at least as substantial as very short books - including every article by an academic (or every article by a journalist for that matter) seems to be against the spirit. For instance this is obviously inappropriate. Perhaps the style guide should be considered in light of this example. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to create a new wikipedia page MY Gohad (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of what you need to know can be found at your first article. You've already shown that you can edit an article (although I'd like to see some reliable sources along with your edits), so I'm wondering if you had any more specific question? -- D'n'B-t -- 10:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why the hell are we protecting the pages of Arab political leaders, though I don't see any immenent vandalism? Examples of such protected pages: Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. BuddyHeigh (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BuddyHeigh: You can read the reasons for protection - and see the levels of protection - at [3], etc. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Edit conflict] Presumably because they needed it in the past, before the protection was added – feel free to search their 'View history' tabs. Note that they are only Semi-protected, which bars only users with no account (like me!), and those with accounts less than 4 days old and fewer than 10 edits.

Protection is not only an anti-vandalism measure, it also mitigates against good-faith but poor-quality edits by very inexperienced users, which subjects such as these seem likely to attract. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 11:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also observed that some editors are removing sourced content from Islam related articles. I also observed that some editors are getting blocked for adding sourced content if it is critical of Islam (like Kaalaka).-Ganeemath (talk) 11:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ganeemath That user has not been blocked in the past, do you potentially mean another user? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BuddyHeigh, if you find a page wrongly protected, or if the protection is unlikely to be necessary, or it has been so long that you think the situation might have changed and would like to check if it has, you should contact the protecting admin/s. Any editor is also able to request modification, including removal, of protection settings at WP:RFP. Saddam Hussein was protected in 2010 by an admin who's still active. So, you could ask him whether he'd be open to removing protection to see if people have lost interest. The same thing was apparently tried on the Gaddafi, and protection reinstated this year, after it became apparent that it was still necessary. If you have enough examples and reasons to believe the problem is systemic, you can start discussion about it on a central venue. Why the hell would you assume it has anything to do with their ethnicity??!! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant Kaalakaa - see his Talk page.-Ganeemath (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anachronist could have unblocked Kaalakaa if he wanted but he didn't.-Ganeemath (talk) 11:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ganeemath, no he couldn't have. He is WP:INVOLVED. It's been less than two weeks since your account was created, which was less than two weeks after Kaalakaa was topic-banned. What made you think we're so easily bamboozled? — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping: Moneytrees. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to move a page Life Among the PaiutestoLife Among the Piutes, but the latter already exists as a redirect. I don't know how to delete the redirect, to then make Life Among the Piutes the main article title and Life Among the Paiutes the redirect to most accurately align with what the actual book cover title says. Iljhgtn (talk) 12:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iljhgtn Welcome to Teahouse! Make a request at WP:RM/T ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. I added it as an uncontroversial move, since this is the correct spelling of the book as witnessed by the book cover image uploaded from 1883 that I added today. Thank you for letting me know where to post this request. Iljhgtn (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I often upload book covers when the image is missing, but findable. Which book cover should I add when both are available and both are only a couple years apart, the earliest edition (in a foreign language), or the earliest edition in English (since this is the English Wikipedia after all)?

I am currently looking at The Life of an Unknown Man as one example in reference to my question. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the English edition book cover from 2012, and this is the original book cover which was in French published a few years earlier in 2009. I can upload one image to the infobox, but I want to make sure that I am making the right choice about this going forward and not just using my own best judgment. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iljhgtn You should always use the first edition but only if a copyright free image is available. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Free book covers. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That wikiproject is defunct by the way, but thank you. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at this draft. Draft:Delaneau

What is wrong here? Iam writing about a very rare brand that has limited sources.

But i gave 7 good not great sources, and its declined for lack of reliable sources?

I dont get it. Is it impossible to get this brand on wikipedia? Iam just trying to not let this brand die forever and be forgotten.

Thank you have a nice day SpeeroD (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there @SpeeroD. I took a quick look over the draft, and while there are a good amount of sources, many of them link to non-reliable sources. If you aaren't able to find good sources for the company, then maybe they just aren't notable enough to be on Wikipedia yet. Hope this helps! :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for taking the time to answear.

Would you mind taking a look again, i spent a few hours adding more

sources and text. Draft:Delaneau

Thank you SpeeroD (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SpeeroD You might be best to first create the article on Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève [de] to show that it really is considered the finest award in the watch industry. That would help with the notability claim for Delaneau. The German article exists but wouldn't be acceptable here as it, too, is poorly sourced. The French one is much better but still has issues. However, I see that there are nearly 30 articles which mention that prize on the English Wikipedia. Taking sources from these would, I'm pretty sure, be a good start. It is even mentioned in clock. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for taking the time to answear Mike.

Would you mind taking a look again, i spent a few hours adding more

sources and text. Draft:Delaneau

Thank you SpeeroD (talk) 16:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SpeeroD I made an edit which removed the external links, which we don't place within article text. I think that your references to the independent write-ups will get this over the line for notability. I reduced the reference for thejewelleryeditor to a single cite to the group of articles there, which I think is a better way to do that. Let's see what the next reviewer says when you re-submit the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another point is that your first two citations currently are to a Wiki, These are never considered as reliable sources because like Wikipedia itself anyone can edit there. I suggest you re-do the WP:LEAD with some of the better sources you now have and drop those ones entirely. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mike!

Thank you so much for teaching me the external links problem within a text.

I removed the wiki sources. I think its good now. Draft:Delaneau

My mother had this watch and its important for me that the brand is not forgotten.

Thanks! SpeeroD (talk) 21:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have added content since it was Declined. You can submit again and find out what a different reviewer thinks. David notMD (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks friend!

Got this error several times when resubmiting? I tried reading the explaination but i dont understand whats wrong.

An error occurred (ratelimited: You've exceeded your rate limit. Please wait some time and try again.). Please try again or refer to the help desk. SpeeroD (talk) 00:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]