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Don't see the point of this article. The lead mostly talks about Hyderabad itself and the city's name, and the history section is just a brief overview of the area's history which is already covered extensively in history of Hyderabad. The rest, and majority of the article covers the Muslim architecture of Hyderabad, which is covered in Qutb Shahi architecture (the dynasty which built most of Hyderabad's notable Muslim architecture), list of mosques in Hyderabad, Heritage structures in Hyderabad, India, and Hyderabad#Landmarks. This article is very redundant with those other articles and doesn't serve any good purpose. There would be a better case for this article's existence if the sources treated this article's title as a distinct topic, but they do not. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the article was actually about it's title, then yes, Hyderabadi Muslims would be a great merge target, but as I said it's mainly just about the general architecture of Hyderabad created by Muslims, and thus if it were to be merged, which I don't think it should be as none of the content is not already covered in any of the possible merge targets, the merge targets would be the ones above which makes the article redundant. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 23:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and oppose merger. I could see this being a valid overview of Islamic influence in the culture of Hyderabad, but as it stands the OP is correct; there is no justification for this. It is also, unfortunately, typical of the work of its creator, in that it has a liberal sprinkling of copyright and verifiability issues, which is why I oppose a merger. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poor, unreliable and unverifiable sources. Page is also WP:SYNTH and the creator of the page inserted opinion in a circular bit of logic. I am also opposed to merge for same reason. RangersRus (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The previous history of the organization Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama, which was formed in 1926[1], was corrected on the page
In 1989[2], a new organization was formed after resigning from this organization due to differences in ideas
And the person who wrote the article made a full correction on the first page intentionally / for his own people (WP:CONFLICT),WP:PE and added the previous established year to the new page and wrote the new page in a promotional style. More content from the first page is also included in the new page ~ Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though Spworld2 says to have included this discussion in the deletion sorting lists for Kerala and India, I could not see it. Is its inclusion necessary there? If yes, you being successful in adding this in deletion sorting lists for organizations and Islam, fee free to add this discussion to the same of Kerala and India. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete page on Hitler, USA, Samastha of AP Sunnis and EK Sunnis just because there are people who have COI. Content is to determined using the reliable sources. I am neutral in this. That is why I say "(of AP Sunnis)" and "(EK Sunnis)". Both the AP and EK Sunnis claim their respective Samasthas is the real one. I can show that. So accepting one group's only claim could be CONFLICT OF INTEREST, especially in Wikipedia where Ahmadiyyas are categorised alongside Muslims. Reliable sources call Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".I am sorry to say calling for its deletion must be nothing other than COI since reliable sources do not support that claim. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think, It's more than just a conflict of interest. According to government records, the name "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama" is registered exclusively for the Samastha (EK Sunni's). Therefore, the claim made by the Ap Sunni's is not relevant. The government records tend to be more reliable than media sources Iyas Muhammed kc (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Policy :
Naming is to be done as per the Wikipedia policy. It is not the government that decides in what name an organization should be known, but rather publicity, which in turn is used by reliable sources. So It do this as per naming policy of Wikipedia. See WP:NC. Hence "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)" is apparently the best choice because this contains both the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" and the term "AP Sunnis". This is because the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" is needed to identify the organization because that is how it is widely referred to and the term "AP Sunnis" is added after the name to avoid confusion". The part "(of AP Sunnis)" is used in the bracket to understand that it is not part of the name. The terms "AP Sunnis" and "EK Sunnis" are widely used. So I recommend the name of the article must have two things: one is the name which is widely used and the other one is another widely used term "AP Sunnis". Other possible names lack these advantages. Hence keep the article.
Relevance :
As for your (Iyas Muhammad kc) claim, here we can watch a Malayalam video in which Perod Abdurahman Saqafi, belonging to the AP Sunnis, made the same but opposite claim that as per the government's register office, Samastha of AP Sunnis exists there. But it is not relevant here. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, the discussion here is about deleting an article, not moving an article. Even if you have problem with the name, it can be solved by moving the article after a discussion. Deletion is not needed. Again there is no need of deleting the article. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteCOI (fear of losing page or client demanding back deal so this page editor keeps writing many comments here without any other debate),.Split a samsatha and create a new one(this) , its information looks same here and edit some part for it. Ptmlp (talk) 19:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep
Two more sources: that too from one group of enemies of AP Sunnis. They are MediaOne and Madhyamam.
See also: Mediaone. The URL of mediaonetv.in shown in the Wikipedia Mediaone page leads to mediaoneonline.com, the domain name of the the said article that lists name of all the 40 members of the council.
Madhyamam
The website of MadhyamamsaysKanthapuram is general secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama.
In short atleast we have to consider the stand of this group of enemies of AP Sunnis that Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis exists and that its name is Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama.
Neutralhappy (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability and presence of reliable sources are to be considered for an article.
Relevancy:
AP Sunnis say that the Samastha has not split and that AP faction has not resigned from the Samastha or went out of Samastha but what according to AP Sunnis is the reorganisation of the Samastha. AP Sunnis say 11 people walked out of a meeting of Samastha and the Samastha was reorganised. All of these 11 would not be with AP Sunnis. EK Sunnis spread two opposite things: one is that they removed 6 people from Samastha and the other is that AP faction went out of Samastha. However, these things are notrelevant in the creation of a article. AP Sunnis also says their Samastha is the real one. I am not paid or offered to be paid for this editing on Wikipedia. I have not written the article in the promotional tone or added POV without attributing to the respective group of people. Anyone can check the article. Please avoid writing irrelavant things. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:
The Economic Timescalls the organisation of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Jem-Iyyathul Ulama". Note economictimes.indiatimes.com shown in the page of The Economic Times leads to economictimes.com, which is part of the URL of the said article.
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