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Hi, I'm trying to understand the Notability criteria being applied to many short articles such as Military Horseman Identification Badge, Career Counselor Badge, or indeed many of the articles linked off pages such as Badges of the United States Army. These articles tend to have a lead, a "criteria" section and possibly a history section. Typically, the vast majority of references are to an army.mil site ("Army Regulation 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, Chapter 22" is a popular one). The better cited articles might grace you with an article on military.com, Army Times or even a Regimental/Corp Association. The first two being technically private/independent publications but remain in a bit of a grey area as "closely affiliated sources", being highly specialised and relying on good relations with the DoD to maintain access for their writing, which is primarily for service personnel, rather than a wider audience (c.f. say, the NYTimes or "general" news/reportage). Not that specialist sources are bad (e.g. academic journals), but it's a stretch to deem them "significant, independent coverage".

It's maybe a bit of a fait accompli at this point, but this sprawl of - often tiny - articles do not appear to meet WP:GNG, and I would judge as falling into WP:NOTGUIDEorWP:INDISCRIMINATE. Any badge that is issued simply for passing a course (even with distinction) seems unlikely to be Notable. Notable medals are likely to be discretionary honours & awards for valour or unusual service. In many cases, these articles are largely reproducing a couple of Army regulations on eligibility criteria or uniform standards, nothing more. A significant chunk of Parachutist Badge (United States) is listing out the relevant portion of "U.S. Army Regulation 600-8-22, Military Awards".

In some cases there also seems to be a sprawl of articles that should be (at most) one article. For instance, Marksmanship ribbon is the same subject as Marksmanship badges (United States). The fact that the Army and Marine Corp award badges, whilst the Air Force, Navy, Space Force and CoastGuard issue ribbons is neither here nor there. They're all just one subject - awards given to service personnel who have passed their weapon handling qualification with merit/distinction. Service-specific conventions on ribbons/badges/medals do not justify entirely separate articles! Admittedly, Marksmanship badges (United States) also can't decide what it wants to be, since it also covers badges for civilians including Police and NRAoA competition shooter badges. Arguably, the following four articles should really be one article "Marksmanship awards (US Military)".

• Marksmanship Ribbon
• Marksmanship Medal
• Marksmanship badges (United States)
• Marksmanship Device

Potentially Police and NRA badges are then farmed out into a separate article.

Have I completely missed a policy here, or is there starting to be a need to merge some of these articles or keep a cap on the sprawl? Many Thanks! Hemmers (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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