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I am a member of the List of Atlantic hurricane seasons team. We are working backwards to finish at 1492. Currently, we are at 1800-1810, but I am making progress. In addition, I am giving full summaries for each season 1950-2005. 1979-2005 were complete as of June, and I have done the rest of them up to 1962. I am working to bring it back, so it shouldn't be too much longer. All hurricane stubs should be finished, or discussed how we could add upon them. Death tolls and damage are necessities for important articles, as well as a storm history. Many storms I have gone to didn't have any storm history, they just said Hurricane Wiki hit Internet as a Category 5. It caused $Mucho in damage. There was more detail than that, but a lot were missing full summaries.
In summary:
Finish Hurricane Archive by completing 1492-1799 Atlantic hurricane seasons(done)
Finish individual summaries from 1950-2005 by completing 1950-1961(done)
Upgrade all stubs(done)
Add damage, death toll, and storm histories to each Hurricane article.
Good question. Maybe Cape Hatteras Hurricane of 1857, but the Central America part is misleading. Personally, I would rather see people take advantage of the seasonal pages, adding info there before the section is too large. Really, how is this storm notable aside from the fact it sunk a ship? Lots of storms do that, but that's for another debate. In conclusion, the title might need to be changed. Hurricanehink03:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, by my standards the article is long enough to warrant a separate article...although it is extremely low-quality and could all be fictional for all I can tell. I agree though that information should go first into the season article, and only if that gets too long should a separate article be made. Jdorje05:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
It might be long enough, but the quality is really bad. Considering the lack of notability and that all of the information here could be put on the seasonal article (as that was the only notable storm of the year), I propose it be merged. Hurricanehink20:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
We have another one, Antje's Hurricane of 1842. It has less than the previous one. You have to agree, this article serves no purpose and can, with extreme ease, be merged back. This anon is going page-creating happy, if you ask me. Hurricanehink23:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Strongly against Ginger, Alice, Linda, and John. Ginger was longest lasting Atlantic storm, Alice was an extremely rare December-January hurricane, Linda was strongest EPAC hurricane, and John was longest lasting cyclone worldwide. All of the others, and the ones I added, I am completely fine with. Hurricanehink02:10, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Antje's Hurricane and Ekaka should definitely be merged. The others that I've seen all have enough info to justify a separate article...although in some cases the article quality is too low to allow it to live. Jdorje04:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
But I think your merges leave something to be desired. You are deleting information in the process of the merge. Antje's hurricane has 3 paragraphs plus a source which you cut to one small paragraph. Sure a lot of the information is redundant, but you cut the mention of why it was called Antje's hurricane. Similarly with the 1841 gale you dropped the source reference, and you cut out the mention of 18 feet of snow (I doubt this is a typo; 18 inches of snow is inconsequential) and the mention of the memorial. Jdorje02:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Ah, forgot about the sources. I put them into the seasonal article. I reiterated Antje's title and changed 18 inches back to feet. For Antje's hurricanet, the first 2 paragraphs are only sentences. I think I got it all now. Hurricanehink02:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Keep all existing articles IMO. They are all historically notable enough, or had enough information to warrant the article. CrazyC8304:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Two more to the list. Both, like usual from that user, have low quality with minimal information that could be extremely easily put into the seasonal article. Hurricanehink16:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I have no objection to merging of any hurricane, so long as you keep all the info (including the sources). However I think the problem with this user is low writing quality, not lack of information or notability. So it just needs someone to go in and fix up what he's written. Too bad he won't create an account or I'm sure we could get him to do these things himself. Jdorje17:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I added Allison, Gustav, and Emily to the list. All three are made by the same person, with the usual low quality article for a non-important storm. Hurricanehink21:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
They are extremely low quality. I wish that author would follow the conventions used for other articles... Jdorje21:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Added Lili to the list. Same as usual. This one might be able to be kept, as with Emily (1993), but I still think Allison and Gustav should go. Hurricanehink16:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Strongly against merging Alice, Ginger, Linda, John and Gafilo. Partially against merging Fefa, Odette and Zoe. In the case of Odette and Zoe, both are very notable storms and the articles have good info, especially Odette's. Fefa is a notable storm and the article is well written. Agreed with merging Emily (1993), Lili (1996), and Adrian. Strongly agreed with merging Alex (2004), Bertha (1996, not on list),Alberto (2000) , Allison (1995), and Gustav (2002). Most, if not all, are skin-and-bones articles about storms that weren't that notable. They give just a summery of the storm that is best in their respective main articles. That leaves one more article doesn't it: Central America Hurricane of 1857. First off, the name is misleading, the storm occured nowhere near Central America and is named after the ship it sank. I say merge the article with the one on the ship instead of the hurricane season. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive04:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Removed Alice2, Linda, Ginger, and John because no one agreed to their removal and they are notable. The only reason I nominated Fefa was because I felt that the name could have been replaced a la Knut rather than retired because its impact seems like a hokey reason to retire a name. I know I nominated it, but I now oppose Zoe becaue it appears to be listed as retired in the WMO document I linked in the article request list above. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline23:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll vote again after time passed and my views have changed. No for Alex (2004), Adrian, Fefa (unless the name was simply removed), Zoe (it has potential), and Gafilo (potential exists). Iffy on Odette, Emily (1993, potential exists), and Lili (1996, there is potential). I vote for merge for Central America hurricane of 1857 (to be merged with SS Central America), Allison (1995, wow it formed early), Esther (little short, and not notable), and Alberto (2000, it basically only has a storm history). Hurricanehink01:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Added Chaba to the list (little impact), and put Alberto and Bertha there (they have mergal proposals as well). I vote no for Bertha, and yes for Chaba and Alberto. Hurricanehink15:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Ooo. Or not. We appear to have some dissenting voters on Bertha. If it's going to stay, it needs some more info. Lili doesn't have a bright future, but nor does it have consensus. I don't know, what do you guys think? Adrian could be next, it doesn't have a bright future either. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive23:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Good luck with any of the other ones, especially the 2005 ones. There seem to be 2 communities within this Wikiproject; 2005 Atlantic hurricane seasoners and non-2005ers. While some of us non-2005ers might agree with you (I for one am vehemently opposed to articles such as Alpha and Cindy, as well as Beta to an extent), there are a lot of the 2005 people who want to see everything more and more: more articles, more information, more everything. In addition, there was already a vote for deletion for Cindy, and it failed. Most of the pointless ones are gone. However, if it is longer than the infobox (longer than a stub, even), it should be kept in my book. I am all for the deletion of useless storms, but we are a minority. Perhaps we should just focus on what other articles can be created; most of the notable ones have already been created. Hurricanehink01:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
My emotions and opinions tell me to tell them to go to Hell. My common sense tells me to use diplomacy, which is what I do. But every man has his breaking point. Sometimes, Cindy being a good example, I get tired of listening to it. The more I've had to deal with it, the more I've come to hate the Cindy article. It is almost the bane of my existance. I want so bad to merge it, but I know I'll catch Hell for it. It'd probably be reverted anyway. It's just so aggrivating dealing with these idiots who have no idea what they're talking about and keep saying the same frickin' thing over and over again. It just wears you out. This is probably why I'll never have children. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive01:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Ooh. Poor Eric! I know the feeling, but too many people think that piece of crap storm (Cindy) is deserving of an article and is notable. HOW?!?!?!?! It was a tropical storm that killed 2 people. Nothing else! I'll admit I laughed at your description of your anger, but I feel almost the same way. Cindy and Alpha are two very hot topics, and I would love to see them go. But no, we have those who want to keep those worthless storm articles. It killed a few people and was a storm in an active season. Give me a break. It really does wear you out. I guess some people won't sway their opinions... Hurricanehink03:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Added Erika (1997) to the list. CrazyC83, I will agree with Eric that not every storm needs an article. Few actually need it, and few others deserve one. I do see the argument for it, and unfortunately it seems I am among the minority who doesn't want excessive articles. I don't know. This is one debate I don't like getting in to. Hurricanehink21:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm going to be blunt: Why the Hell do people want the Cindy article so much?! Out of all of them, Cindy has given me the biggest headache. It doesn't make any sence to keep it. It adds no value whatsoever. It just restates what is said in the main article. I counted up the votes on the talk page from long ago and here they are:
Support Merge - 4
Oppose Merge - 3
Also, Jdorje implied that he opposed the merge but never expressly stated, "yes it should be merged" or "no, keep it". It doesn't have to be one of those bolded "support" or "oppose" options to count, it just has to be exlicitly stated so that there can be no doubt. So, in a majority rules world, Cindy is a dead duck. But in a consensus-rules world (like Wikipedia), Cindy barely escapes. I will still fight for consensus on the merge, though. Cindy should not have an article. I merged Doria, by the way. -- Hurricane Ericarchive -- my dropsonde04:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
{{merge}} placed on Esther's head. That one seems to be next on the choping block. I posted a poll on Adrian's talk page. I'm still undescided on that one. Similar situation with both Fefa and the Havana storm. I see no consensus on Cindy and moved it back to candidate list. I think that the failed candidates list shouldn't even be here, it serves little purpose. My opinions: Merge - Cindy, Odette, Alex; Keep - Beta, Zoe and Gafilo (latter two I removed from list based on the fact that I see no one here who supports their merging); Undescided -Fefa (leaning keep), Adrian (leaning keep), Havana storm (stumped). -- Hurricane Ericarchive -- my dropsonde03:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Eric, if it makes you feel better, I added two more new ones that I personally would love to merge. I just thought I'd wait for a consensus before Storm05 loses another yet article. Just for the record, I oppose the deletion of the Great Havana Hurricane of 1846. Hurricanehink19:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh yea, that was an old project of mine. I personally did summaries between 1961 to ~2002, but my computer went weird, and I am no longer able to open PDF files. I have to use another person's to do so. Before 1961, I think Storm05 and HERB worked a little bit, but when I get the time I will extend it the way I want it. You know what that means, storm summaries and impact for a lot of storms. On the List of Pacific typhoon seasons talk page, there is adequate info to extend it back centuries, and not have a Pre-XXXX page until about 1600. This is long range, but within the range of our capabilities. Hurricanehink02:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
[long speach in Latin holding Cross] Bill, may you Rest in Peace, Amen. (in Hell you murderous Son of a...) ;). Storm05 may need grief cousiling. And that's a lighthearted way of putting a potential issue that may arise out of this. -- §Hurricane ERIC§archive -- my dropsonde06:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Side note: from now on when we merge articles we need to remove the {{hurricane}} from the discussion page. And make sure to add it when making new articles. Jdorje06:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Gerda has been put to sleep (I'm running out of lines). Jdorje, I didn't see that message until now. I'll try and remember to do that before merging. Hink, thanks for cheering me up ;) -- §Hurricane ERIC§archive -- my dropsonde06:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
As is Leslie. This one was iffy, but because the storm did nothing on its own, it should be merged. The precursor disturbance, which did become Leslie, did not have a circulation and thus, was not a tropical cyclone. Hurricanehink19:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Because most of the important articles are already done, any new article (before 2005) should be put here once the original author is done. This way, we can decide right away, rather than waiting and talking about it. This way we can could determine if the storm is deserving of an article and if enough information is given/available. Hurricanehink19:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, but I think that could be put a better way, Hink. How about: "That way we could determine if the storm is deserving of an article and if enough information is given/available. -- §Hurricane ERIC§archive -- my dropsonde01:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to add some info to the existing article but that can be difficult since some many of articles are lacking sources to add more information or theres nothing else worth interesting to add. As for the canidate articles, I'll get to them as i can find good info on them. Storm0515:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Added Gordon to the list. If there's nothing else to add and it is short, merge it! There's no need for pointless articles. For the candidate articles, they were non-notable storms that don't deserve an article, and do not have enough information to justify one. Storm05, I'll ask again, what is wrong with adding information to the season article? If a new article is just a little bid more in depth than the season article, there's no need for a new article. Take Arlene (1993) for example. The information about killing those in El Salvador was good and new. You could add that and other parts of the impact section to the section in the season article, rather than making a new one. Most of the important storms are already done. Just pick an article and add to that. Rather than adding to the list of sub-par hurricane articles, bring a short one up to a better status. I'm sorry that nearly every article you've made in the last few months has been merged, but there's no need for storms like Arlene or the January Subtropical Storm. Hurricanehink15:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
What I meant was that the storms (like Hurricanes Alicia, Inez , Hattie, etc...) they are short and there are to0 few sources listed to add more information which makes it difficult because without a listing of sources, it will be impossible to find and add information. Storm0516:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I added Ginger to the list. There's not enough trivia or impact to warrant an article as it is, though with some work it might be able to be kept. Hurricanehink14:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
For once, I have to disagree with you on this one, and Faith. The trivia section is of minimal importance IMO and should be used on a per-storm basis. The impact section can easily be expanded. This storm is very notable and deserves an article. It was AT LEAST the second longest lasting hurricane to form in the Atlantic, if not the longest. It spent more consecutive days as a tropical cyclone than any other Atlantic storm on record (remember, the 1899 storm had a long stint as an extratropical storm before regaining tropical characteristics). Faith went farther north than any other tropical cyclone on record. It is, in my opinion, one of the most incredible feats ever achieved by a tropical cyclone in the Atlantic. -- §Hurricane ERIC§archive -- my dropsonde23:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Ahem. Sorry, I guess I just disagree with you that a long path is reason for notability. Just because they happened not to hit land, that makes them *more* important somehow? Seems like it should be the other way around. Jdorje00:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I mainly put that there so someone would prove me wrong and add some more information. It could stay, but could use some more in-depth trivia. Faith, on the other hand, I am not for a merge but I don't see the need for an article. It wasn't the longest anything, and for all we know it will be declared extratropical much earlier in its lifetime. Hurricanehink00:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
My main point is that by the criteria we have been using, these articles are not deserving. They are less notable than many other articles which have been rejected simply for lack of length. It is not proper to have these articles stay just because we (any of us) "like" them, when we merge others' similar articles based on the same criteria. Jdorje00:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Added Hurricane Jose (1999) and Hurricane Kyle (2002) to the list. Neither of these storms were that notable, especially Jose, and they both caused little damage. The articles are also almost direct copies from the NHC reports. -- §HurricaneERIC§archive01:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed the Hurricane Kyle (2002) aritcle!, and for Jose, the NHC report has detailed storm history than other sites. Also another thing STOP saying that the articles I wrote are direct copies becasue I did my best to put it in my own words! Storm0515:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
By puting it in your own words, you summarize it, not switch a few words. Second, Kyle is still an unimportant storm that doesn't deserve an article. I still think the 2 should be merged. Hurricanehink17:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Jose chopped. Irene added to the list; somehow this one slipped through the cracks. And who said Cindy had consensus keep? It's still a non-notable storm, that fact is unavoidable. -- §HurricaneERIC§archive18:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Daisy- Weak keep. I know you might be surprised, but I feel every season since 1950 should have at least one article, and this happenes to be 1962's most notable storm.
Bye Kyle. And, Hink, I disagree with your take on Daisy. If the storm's not notable and there's that little info, the article should not exist...period. JMO. -- §HurricaneERIC§archive23:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Tropical Storm Josephine (1996)- Iffy. Weak merge, based on lack of notability. There is a good little bit of information there, though. It's debatable.
Hurricane Ginny (1963)- It should be merged. Damage is way too little, and all of it can fit in the seasonal article. Believe it or not, the seasonal articles, depending on how many storms there were, can fit up to 3 paragraphs of information.
Josephine merged, and yes I actually did take some information from that article and put it back in. I also archived some of this. Hurricanehink20:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Added Clara to the list. The article isn't bad, but the storm killed no one, there is no damage stats, and it was a 70 mph tropical storm. There's no need for such an article. Hurricanehink00:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I could find no evidence that this event actually happened. There are no hurricanes for August 1904 in the best-track, a google search turns up nothing outside of wikipedia, and an anon posted to the talk page that "Great August Gale" usually refers to a storm of the '20s. The article itself was written by an anon who had no other contributions. Accordingly, I redirected the article to 1904.
Now on a related note, 1904 has mention of a Texas hurricane that killed 107 people, but this storm also didn't exist; the best-track for 1904 shows no hurricanes hitting texas and the pastdeadly list mentions only one storm from 1904 causing any fatalities: a storm that killed 87 in cuba. However all I did was add {{fact}} to this entry, I didn't delete it yet. This brings to mind the question of date entries; we should make sure all notable storms - and only notable storms - are listed on the date and year pages. A giant task.
Now on yet another related note, 1904 Atlantic hurricane season made no mention of any deaths in 1904. I updated the cuba-storm section to mention the 87 deaths (the NHC cites a cuban publication as the source), and updated the season's infobox.
I will say that being a stub or really short does not make an article "bad". If a certain subject needs an article and all it has is a stub, then so be it. A stub is better than no article at all, and can be expanded on. What is bad is long articles that are poorly structured, poorly referenced, and poorly written in general, because there's nothing you can do with them. It takes more work to fix them than it would take to rewrite them from scratch. Hurricane Katrina is the primary example of this. Yet, we all share a part of the blame: we all stood by while the Katrina monstrosity grew. The content of the article is fine, and if we'd just stepped in months ago and given the article a little bit of structure the rest of the edits would have been more naturally guided into the right locations and we wouldn't be in this situation. — jdorje (talk) 22:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
There's probably too many to list, and they are at the discretion of you if they were anything or not. Given that all of that is unofficial, it's fine on the user talk page. What criteria are you using to add storms to your list? Hurricanehink16:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Those Medtiterranian storms were probably all baroclinic. With water temperatures of about 15/16 degrees Celsius, I can hardly believe they were tropical or even subtropical - Yarrah16:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
My critieria is guessing that those storms were probably tropical (or subtropical) by looking at the satallite images and determining the factors of what makes these storm tropical or subtropical as opposed to an extratropical system. Storm0516:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, you are guessing, and thus, no point to this topic. No offense, but this page is for talking about actual tropical cyclones. Hurricanehink17:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
You're missing the point!, I determine the storms like the pros do (ie the National Hurricane Center and other weather organizations), plus i need opinion about these storms, how can I recieve opinion if i just put this topic on my discussion page?, and finally just because the water tempratures is 15/16 degree Celsius (meteric system confusing) doesnt mean a tropical (or Subtropical) storm can form, just look at Epsilion and Zeta!. Storm0518:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Also its important to know that some of these storms may have been storms that the officals have missed and are waiting to be classified as offical. Storm0520:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Let me first ask a question. Do you know what a polar low is? A polar low is a cold core system with convection resembling a tropical cyclone. Look here. This looks like a tropical storm, but look at the time of year. It is April! The location and climatology says that, despite the look, it wasn't a tropical cyclone, and probably not even subtropical. It takes very special circumstances to have a tropical cyclone, and in the off-season the odds are extremely low. Anything in the off-season would likely be in the Bermuda area (north or south), and it rarely happens. The South Atlantic is even more rare. Next, unless you observe actual data, you do not determine the storms like the pros. The pros use ship reports, buoys, and reconaissance reports to classify storms. Do you do all of this? A topic belongs at the speculation page of the 2006 Atlantic hurricane season. You cannot compare Epsilon and Zeta with some of your storms. Until the NHC upgrades it, everything is unofficial. Hurricanehink23:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Tropical Storm Ana of 2003 formed in April of that year and it had claim to fame to being an off-season storm. I still say that some of the storms that I listed are legitimete Tropical or Subtropical storms that officals missed. Storm0516:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Ana had ship reports of tropical storm force near the center, and had a warm core based on satellites. In addition, there is a very shady area in between extratropical and subtropical, so it must look very good for it to be upgraded. I will admit, the NHC is very conservative and unless they have conclusive evidence they will not upgrade an extratropical low; thus some storms might have gone un-noticed. However, none looked good enough to be tropical or even subtropical. This is just my little old opinion. Hurricanehink16:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Storm05, do you have a PhD in meteorological science? Didn't think so. These guys are experts. They are human but they know a storm when they see one. You just looking at some visible images and saying they're wrong would be like looking at a sick person and telling a doctor that he misdiagnosed the ailment. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive23:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
There should be zero need for further discussion on this. This is as bad as the list of unusual cyclone names. It's all original research, and POV. NSLE(T+C) at 01:04 UTC (2006-03-03)
Just to let you know, I am currently working on the Northeastern Hemisphere in the tropical cyclone project. The North Indian seasons are almost done, and the Western Pacific is slowly coming along. I am basically doing this all myself, so it is going to take some time, but this sector of the Tropical Cyclone project is coming along. A todo list to finish:
1950-1984 Pacific typhoon seasons (all separate articles)
Decadal articles for Pacific typhoons back to 1800
Century articles for Pacific typhoons back to 1600
Pre-1600 Pacific typhoon season
1982-1984 North Indian cyclone seasons (Done)
Come to think of it, you should appoint someone in charge of each basin. I notice the Southern Hemisphere seasons is going nowhere, the Eastern Pacific is almost done, and the Atlantic is done except for minor things (infoboxes). Hurricanehink20:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't think appointing people will work...we need people to step up to take responsibility for each basin. Having one person in charge of each basin (except possibly the Atlantic basin, which is both larger and closer to most editors' hearts) is probably a good idea, but we need volunteers for this. For the moment it sounds like you've volunteered for the EPac and Nindian basins. Jdorje21:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Now, on another note, I had at one time started calling the NIndian basin the "northern indian ocean tropical cyclone" basin. You have since renamed it as "north indian cyclone" basin. Your name is better...however a lot of things (categories, etc.) may have to be renamed to get everything to match. On a related note, "Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone" basin is also too long (though not as bad as the old NIndian name). Jdorje21:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Whoops, my bad. I just thought based on the formats of the other basins (Pacific typhoon, Atlantic hurricane) that it would North Indian cyclone. Sorry to cause extra work, but on the bright side, the basin is done!
Basically the C is capitalized to match Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. If one is to be changed, they both should be...and there will be a lot of redirecting to fix (fortunately we make heavy use of templates, like {{tcportal}}, so it won't be as much as it otherwise would). Don't change it unless you're willing to change it ALL. Jdorje00:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
As the namer of the wikiproject, I have no particular opinion. We can rename it, but only if those who are going to do the work are willing to do all the work - don't leave it half-finished for the rest of us to clean up. Jdorje04:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
This is getting long. Should it be split up into basins, or at the very least, have a list of Notable Atlantic tropical cyclones? This could also list records on the Atlantic records page. The retired storms section is very long, and there are many under Off-Season, Canadian, and Unnamed. With a separate page, there could be more detail, and more organized. Hurricanehink22:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Do we have a sample article yet? Should it be a season or a specific storm? I saw that notice on one or two other WikiProjects, and wondered if we should as well. Also, should some of this page be archived? It's very long (100 Kb). Hurricanehink03:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe Hurricane Dennis, it's the supposed FAC. We need one for seasons too...maybe one sample for each basin. As for archives, I believe some archiving has already been done. However any *discussion* archived should first have its results put in the appropriate place on the wikiproject page. Jdorje03:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Found information about this hurricane. Also known 1893 Sea Island hurricane. I hope this information will be useful. juan andrés02:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The reasoning is based on a Wikipedia naming convention for article titles. While I have no particular opinion on the convention, I had always thought 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was the official name for the season, as given by the NHC. If we are to move these articles it will take a massive amount of work - very, horrendously, many hours of work. All ~200 season articles have to be moved, all ~200 season categories deleted and created anew, and all 500-1000 (?) storm and dab articles recategorized and will have to have their links updated. BTW, you can see the user's recent changes at [2]. Jdorje21:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Heh heh, he seems to have lost interest in the project of renaming after I pointed out to him how massive it was and instructed him to come here for further discussion. However there are still several dozen articles that were renamed, and random links here and there (seemingly without pattern) that were changed. Jdorje21:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
As for the naming convention, usually a WikiProject's own conventions can override the global conventions (and most conventions are developed through WikiProjects anyway). I'm going to move the pages back, but that leaves the question, what do we want to do? Titoxd(?!? - help us)21:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
I've already put this article in my watchlist. So I've noticed that also errased a paragraph from Gert's Section. In Gert Section was nonsense, and in the Irene was a paragraph entirely made of fake info, with terrible spelling, of course. juan andrés00:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Stub seasonal articles
Ive went back though the Atlantic hurricane articles and found that most of the articles are STUBS!, come on guys, you can do better than that.