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byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
It's looking like electric cars or more expensive to maintain than gas cars. Even without including the battery since surprisingly it looks like the batteries will last it's the rest of the vehicle that's the problem.
Also there's one other major problem with electric cars we don't talk about, if you get in a fender bender it's not uncommon for the whole car to be totaled because the cost of recertifying the battery pack so that you know it's not going to blow up on you is more than the car is worth in a lot of cases.
I don't think these are problems that are completely unsolvable but it does mean that for the time being unless you're somebody who switches your car out periodically and can't afford the hit if your car gets totaled then an electric car is probably going to cost you more and you need to take that into account.
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bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:
I had two fender benders with two different electric cars. One required a paint job, the other a new fender. Neither had to be recertified.
bymccalli ( 323026 ) writes:
There's literally no evidence for what the hell you're talking about. Smog is mostly derived from emissions [wikipedia.org], assuming you're American your vehicles aren't zero emissions [bts.gov] (I'm in the UK, I can tell you ours aren't either by the fact there's an emissions standard test as part of the annual vehicle check, the MOT, which you need to allow your vehicle on the road here), EVs aren't heavier in most cases [ferribysus...lity.co.uk] and EVs aren't worse on tyres than ICE [stopburningstuff.org].
It truly is an impressive amount of wrong to come to the right concl
byBert64 ( 520050 ) writes:
EVs are 10-15% heavier on average, based on equivalent models.
Look at a vehicle like the Hyundai Kona which is available in both electric and gas versions.
Saying that a nissan leaf weighs less than a land rover is stupid, they aren't equivalent vehicles.
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
Just Google fender bender EV causes car to be totaled. You will find several articles detailing cases where it has happened. To be fair it does seem to be much more likely with the cybertruck but regardless it happens with other electric cars too.
Keep in mind I'm using the phrase fender bender loosely. We're not talking a little bit of paint. We're talking in actual fender bender with a fender itself gets well, bent. Enough of a hit that the insurance company is deciding whether they're going to Total t
bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:
As I said, in that one case the fender of my car - Citroen eC4, to be specific - had to be replaced because it was literally bent. And I drove around with a bent fender for several months because the insurance took their sweet time to process everything. Basically, if the car doesn't throw any errors, it's fine.
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byAnonymous Coward writes:
It's looking like electric cars or more expensive to maintain than gas cars. Even without including the battery since surprisingly it looks like the batteries will last it's the rest of the vehicle that's the problem.
Genuinely trying to figure out how you jumped from an article about how it's easier to repair an EV than ICE on the roadside and made the determination that they're more expensive to maintain. Just about everything in the article is indicative of EVs being more reliable, not less.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
It's looking like electric cars or more expensive to maintain than gas cars.
Based on what, some anti-EV bullshit you pulled from your arse? The actual data shows the opposite. Consumer reports have largely confirmed that the vast majority of problems experienced by EVs are manufacturing defects which are usually resolved at no cost to the customer. There are the occasional really stupid car designs that give truly boneheadded problems (e.g. the Ford Mustang Mach-E can with minor damage to the undercarriage result in a repair bill in the many thousands due to loss of coolant in the
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
I also feel like there has to be a selection bias happening right now also where so many electric vehicles are in the luxury class and luxury vehicles have always been expensive to repair.
And you're spot on with the self inflicted issues, there was a recent story about a Rivian getting dented and the repair was like $30k but it was due to the fact they built something the entire rear half as a single body panel and that had to come off along with a ton of other shit had to get taken apart to get to the prob
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
I think it's just as likely that EVS are in the luxury class because they cost more to produce and putting them in the luxury class covers up for some of those costs.
It's like if you're buying a graphics card and you're buying a mid-range card an extra 20 bucks you're damn well going to notice it but if you're buying a $2,000 video card then the manufacturer can pretty easily tack on an extra 100 bucks and you're not going to notice it.
Or another more close to home example, when gasoline prices Spik
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
For sure and that's a result of high prices for battery packs still.
I'm still holding to my prediction, which is pretty well accepted, that by 2030 we should have way, way, way more cell production which should drop the price of battery packs and will enable way more cars in that 20-40K price range with good driving distances. Then we can really see the reliability vs petrol cars shake out, like if Toyota finally ever decides to just do "Camry but with EV drive train" I would expect it to be as if not more
bySique ( 173459 ) writes:
Replace 2030 with 2024, and you are right. In the U.S., the average new car costs more than $40,000. For that price, you can get a quite decent EV with quite the range. Right now. Like an Kia EV4. Or a Toyota bZ4X.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Sure that's the average but if i wanted a new car for under $30k i still have options: Corolla, Civic, Sentra, Mazda 3 whereas even that EV4 while quite nice is starting at $39.9k and bZ at like $37k and the bZ was pretty widely panned all around up until maybe this years model release? I've been checking out used EV's even and outside of some Model 3's there's very slim pickings under $30k
They're getting closer every year but there is no competition in those spaces quite yet. We're getting there
bySique ( 173459 ) writes:
Maybe Stellantis will sell the Leapmotor B10 in the U.S.. It's a sub-$30k compact SUV with a spacious interior and a long list of nice to have features.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
One big problem I have with that; it's made by Stellantis, probably the last company I would want to purchase a vehicle from no matter what drivetrain it's using. .
bySique ( 173459 ) writes:
My experience with Stellantis is quite positive, but I am not driving their U.S. offerings (except as rentals), so there is that.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Ahh ok that makes sense then, our Stellantis brand is Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler which are consistently ranked amongst the least reliable and poorly built vehicles, they're just shitty, the Jeep name is only thing keeping it afloat and people are coming around on the fact that new Jeeps are also money pits. The Fiat models we have are also considered flaky and expensive to work on.
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
You can easily find articles from reliable news sources talking about electric cars totaled in situations where a gas car would have just been repaired.
And consumer reports has covered the increased cost of electric cars versus gas cars. The fact is that it didn't turn out that the maintenance was less costly. Maybe that will be the case for some cars someday but right now it's not the case, electric cars cost more to maintain than gas powered cars
Don't get me wrong I don't have a dog in this fight.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
electric cars cost more to maintain than gas powered cars
EVs are extremely cheap to maintain if you manage not to crash them. Just sayin'.
I think we should do away with cars and switch to walkable cities and frankly we're going to do that whether you like it or not
Nah, we're heading towards a cars as a service future, where if you're not wealthy enough to own your own car, you'll summon a robotaxi using an app.
byBert64 ( 520050 ) writes:
EVs are extremely cheap to maintain if you manage not to crash them. Just sayin'.
You can be the best driver in the world, but that doesn't help if someone else causes a crash. I've had two cars that were hit while parked, one of which was written off.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
And you can find articles talking about the opposite.
And consumer reports has covered the increased cost of electric cars versus gas cars.
Consumer reports disagrees with what you think you read from consumer reports. They have concluded that EVs had a cheaper maintenance burden. We discussed this on Slashdot the last time it was posted as well. YOU WERE THERE. You were in the discussion. Stop gaslighting.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
Also there's one other major problem with electric cars we don't talk about, if you get in a fender bender it's not uncommon for the whole car to be totaled because the cost of recertifying the battery pack so that you know it's not going to blow up on you is more than the car is worth in a lot of cases.
You're half right. Minor body damage ends up totaling EVs not because "the battery has to be recertified", but because body shops willing to work on EVs tend to be expensive, parts tend to be expensive, and if the damage extends to the mechanical parts of the car, those repairs are also going to be extremely expensive. Mostly this is because there isn't a whole lot of competition in the realm of shops that'll work on EVs.
Now, this isn't an EV exclusive phenomenon. If you're driving around in a vintage IC
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