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byDripdry ( 1062282 ) writes:
The pcie riser I have on order from China was supposed to be on the way... Wonder how that will turn out.
Well, no homelab for anybody now!
bytimeOday ( 582209 ) writes:
What's the problem? This will spur a great resurgence in American manufacturing of small low-value electronic components and you'll get your parts, perhaps as soon as 4-10 years from now.
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byfahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) writes:
What's the problem? This will spur a great resurgence in American manufacturing of small low-value electronic components and you'll get your parts, perhaps as soon as 4-10 years from now.
Not to mention more locally-grown food instead of imports.
I'm planting avocado trees tomorrow ... :-)
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byTablizer ( 95088 ) writes:
[go local] I'm planting avocado trees
Do they make an armageddon-resistent variety?
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
I knew somebody who grew Hass in Florida, which supposedly doesn't work well. In reality, they tasted great.
bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
Not to mention more locally-grown food instead of imports.
I'm planting avocado trees tomorrow ... :-)
So...did California in recent years just give up and STOP growing avocados?
It doesn't seem THAT long ago that I bought them with CA labels on the as state of origin.
byr0nc0 ( 566295 ) writes:
Nope - we stil lgo to the Avocado Festival in Carpenteria every year.
byreanjr ( 588767 ) writes:
California also consumes way more avocados than anywhere else in the country. 90% of U.S. avocados come from Mexico.
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bynevermindme ( 912672 ) writes:
One factory in the entire world makes the parts, keeping 12 inches of shelf space stocked with reels of 12 weeks worth and shipping by sea the restock can be encouraged by tariffs by shipping mode.
byshanen ( 462549 ) writes:
Funniest joke on the rich target.
But I wonder what Adam Smith would say about post-capitalism? Or I could just give that as a prompt to ChapGPT and DS and compare their responses...
But my joke might be about how Jeff Bezos destroyed the invisible hand.
byfenrif ( 991024 ) writes:
Imagine a leader of a country worrying about things in the future and not basing everything he does on the short term immediacy? The horror!
That's not how boomers think at all. This is new and scary and strange!
byPsychoSlashDot ( 207849 ) writes:
Imagine a leader of a country worrying about things in the future and not basing everything he does on the short term immediacy? The horror!
That's not how boomers think at all. This is new and scary and strange!
Aside from the snide generational comment, you're not fundamentally wrong.
That said, future-thinking reveals itself in making plans not just for next decade, but for the transition from now to then. These EOs and tariffs don't exhibit that. There's no time, no room, for either foreign exporters or American importers and manufacturers to adjust. If this was "1% yearly" it would make some sense.
These abrupt activities don't do anything but hurt everyone. Not the least the American citizens.
On the other hand, Americans will have more of their income available to pay for eggs since they can't buy other things from China. That's sort of like the eggs' price went down.
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bybickerdyke ( 670000 ) writes:
On the other hand, Americans will have more of their income available to pay for eggs since they can't buy other things from China. That's sort of like the eggs' price went down.
But will they have an income?
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bybickerdyke ( 670000 ) writes:
Yes. But a good leader would at least try not to dump the country into a reign of chaos while transitioning.
Stick with the tariff example...
A "resurgence of American manufacturing" is a good idea. Tariffs can be a part of such a move. But you need to make sure that American industries are able to take over the production of previously imported goods. Otherwise it's just raising prices and thus driving up inflation.
Again, you may be able to sit through that, but only if the inflation wasn't already skyrocketing.
So yes, good leaders would set tariffs. But raising tariffs without the necessary preparation is bad leadership.
And that's Trump. Even the good(*) things he did in his first term made him look like a 5 year old with a tamper tantrum and not like any kind of leader.
(*) well, the not-bad(**) things
(**) or probably the not-as-bad-as-expected things...
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byCubicleZombie ( 2590497 ) writes:
Yes. But a good leader would at least try not to dump the country into a reign of chaos while transitioning.
That's not what he's doing. In a few days the flow of cheap crap from China will resume and something else - like the flow of fentanyl - will stop. Art of the Deal, his book - throw out something outrageous to your opponent so that they'll settle on something that's reasonable.
Trump is not going to take back the Panama Canal or annex Greenland. But he will get a better deal for American shippers and get the U.S. base in Greenland expanded before Putin goes totally off the rails.
bybickerdyke ( 670000 ) writes:
Sorry, but 5 minutes ago the newsticker was that USPS stopped stopping delivering Chinese parcels. Just a few hours after announcing that they won't do it anymore because some wiseguy had a brainfart of changing freight custom rules without any plan for preparation or transition. That isthe definition of chaos. Government workers not knowing if policies are going to be the same tomorrow.
Yes, ending the small value tariff exemption is probably a good idea. Europe is working on the same thing. But the differ
bytlhIngan ( 30335 ) writes:
Yes, ending the small value tariff exemption is probably a good idea. Europe is working on the same thing. But the difference will be a much smoother transition and probably less new loopholes due to better (or at least SOME!!) planning.
It isn't, actually. However, it is useful to note the exemption in the US is ridiculous - it's $800. Items $800 and less are not subject to duties (and taxes).. In most other countries, it's around $20-50.
This exemption Icalled "de minimus") is meant to apply to low-value go
bybickerdyke ( 670000 ) writes:
Lowering the tariff free amount is exactly what the EU is working on, too. Even if it is already much lower, but $20-50 still gets you lots of toxic plastic waste on temu...
But my point was that they are making a plan before putting it into action, to avoid what happend in the US today.
byfortfive ( 1582005 ) writes:
> something else - like the flow of fentanyl - will stop.
Terrible example. Nothing has ever stopped the slow of drugs in any form, and nothing ever will, that's just how humanity works.
It's unfortunate you picked that example, because there is potential merit to the approach.
It does depend on a number of things being true, one of which that your trade partner needs you at least a much as you need them. Perhaps China will adapt by increasing the flow of drugs, which are probably more lucrative anyway.
bydenelson83 ( 841254 ) writes:
Or annex Canada? He has said that too.
byMajor_Disorder ( 5019363 ) writes:
Or annex Canada? He has said that too.
As a Canadian. Any attempt to "Annex Canada" will be a bloodbath.
byDru Nemeton ( 4964417 ) writes:
You seem to be unaware that Mr. "Art of the Deal" immediately suspended his tariffs on Canada and Mexico once they agreed to 'comply' and...wait for it...do exactly what they said they would do when Biden was president! Not only that, but the president of Mexico got Mr. "Art of the Deal" to agree to a concession from her, that wasn't included in the Biden deal.
With 'deals' like that are you sure we shouldn't 'buy' the Panama Canal and/or Greenland and/or Gaza and/or Mexico and/or Canada just outright? Thi
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byKing_TJ ( 85913 ) writes:
Actually? It's the reign of chaos that's the brilliance exhibited here. The status quo in America for decades has been a leader throwing one big change out there at a time, followed by a pause long enough so the press/media gets months to criticize it, exaggerate its possible outcomes, hyper-focus on details that don't ultimately matter, misrepresent parts of it, etc. So eventually, it all gets dumbed down or even scrapped, or gets passed with a lot of unwarranted dissent, so is on the chopping block when l
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byBeepBoopBeep ( 7930446 ) writes:
"low-value" "manufacturing" and "American" will never exist in the same sentence. At least the volume of junk people are buying from aliexpress will be reduced in landfills.
byradarskiy ( 2874255 ) writes:
"This will spur a great resurgence in American manufacturing of small low-value electronic components and you'll get your parts, perhaps as soon as 4-10 years from now."
This will spur a great resurgence in Amazon. Won't someone think of the Amazons?
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
Amazonians. How culturally insensitive can you get?
byMajor_Disorder ( 5019363 ) writes:
Amazonians. How culturally insensitive can you get?
I, for one, think about the Amazonians every night before I go to sleep.
byRoccamOccam ( 953524 ) writes:
As I posted above, USPS has already reversed their decision on this "Effective February 5, 2025, the Postal Service will continue accepting all international inbound mail and packages from China and Hong Kong Posts."
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
Which will pile up in customs.
The point of de minimus is to not waste customs' time with packages that are too small to matter. Eliminating it means you have to either hire a whole bunch more officers, at a loss, or let things pile up until you either start passing them through again or refuse them.
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Eliminating it means you have to either hire a whole bunch more officers, at a loss, or let things pile up until you either start passing them through again or refuse them.
You could also make it prohibitively expensive to import things onesey twosey, with fees far in excess the value of the product essentially forcing import only of case lots and larger (depending on the count per case) and driving profit for breaking it up into this country. But that high of a tariff tends to be obvious even to very clueless people. A lot of people around the world have noticed that they pay genuinely abusive import fees. It's true in a lot of Europe for example, where importing computer par
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
You could yeah. I can tell you, there's nothing more joyous than ordering an obscure $10 doodad only available from someone in X country and having UPS turn up on your doorstep demanding 100% duty and $60 brokerage fees on it. Or doing the same to get Grandma's sweater she knitted for you.
You probably still need to hire more customs officers though, because that strategy first involves pissing everyone off and even once you convince everyone to get their dresses from Mike Jeffries, Grandma is still going to
byJayhawk0123 ( 8440955 ) writes:
I know you were sarcastic, but it's a serious argument made by many.
So this is more for them: Few will invest millions in new manufacturing capacity knowing that the pain the recent policy changes have caused will guarantee Trump will not get re-elected in 2028, and all the current policies will be reversed. The manufacturers can build capacity to build domestic manufacturing.... but it will be expensive.. will take years to actually build the plants and even longer to train the workforce, plus logistics a
bystooo ( 2202012 ) writes:
>> This will spur a great resurgence in American manufacturing
Yeah nope.
That would need a stable trade policy so companies can reliably plan and invest in manufacturing plants, logistics, raw materials.
That's absolutely not happening in the USA the next 10 years. In mexico or other reliable countries, perhaps.
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