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This article doesn’t really use “Wikipedia-style” language and sounds copy and pasted from news websites. Lmao 69.126.185.5 (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
(P.S. sorry I'm late for this, but eh, better late than never right?) — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 12:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)ReplyIn many places on the globe transmited info about it 2A02:3038:409:C52C:C407:7D39:1A00:693F (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
"The giveaway caused a riot in Union Square Park, in which thousands of people engaged in a state of civil unrest during the time of the giveaway."
There were only 2000-5000 people present. How the fuck do you get 40-100%+ of a crowd to engage in civil unrest? Claiming that anyone present at a gathering where civil unrest occurs is automatically engaged in the unrest seems absurd, especially given this was a legal gathering with no known calls for violence by the organizers. Even if we assume that the !!!one thousand!!! police are included in that civil unrest, that's still only 3000-6000 people. Claiming that 33-100% were in a state of civil unrest seems very dubious unless the organizers or crowd were some kind of revolutionaries or whatnot.
This article seems like it was written by the NYPD or by a government that bans free assembly, essentially assuming anyone who goes to an event organized by a popular Twitch streamer: A popular *black* Twitch streamer at that, is *automatically* a rioter rather than an innocent civilian caught in a rowdy crowd, though it seems like this is not more rowdy than the aftermath of an average soccer game in many countries. It should be entirely obvious why claiming over half the people there were rioting needs better sourcing. 50.38.32.222 (talk) 08:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Calling it a "Riot" is contentious at the moment. While there was certainly unrest, I think the word riot should be changed to something like "Mob" or "UnnSquare Unrest" io for the time being as there are only charges and no prosecutions at the moment.
Edit: Will edit myself if there is no disagreement.
Rayanblaq14 (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Go with what the sources say. All the sources are calling it a riot. Nobody seems to be calling it "unrest". Databased (talk) 12:08, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I looked at several of the sources and none of them referred to the event as a "riot". I would suspect for the same reason as OP -- "riot" is charged terminology and not particularly neutral. I think "Unrest" would be a more preferable, neutral description. Alexwennerberg (talk) 20:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Now that the dust has settled on the AfD, anyone interested in bringing this article up to Good Article status? It probably will take a while based on the ensuing aftermath and coverage of his trial, but I think it's a good idea to look ahead and plan for it in advance. PantheonRadiance (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus to move. If anyone objects to my close I will revert it, as I could appear to be involved based on my previous nomination of this article for deletion, but I think consensus is sufficiently clear here (unanimous and well attended) that I can close it without issue. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Kai Cenat Union Square giveaway → 2023 Union Square riot – The current name is what remained after the dust settled on a slightly convoluted AfD involving two articles. The problem is, this is an overly long, difficult to search for, slightly defamatory, and not-quite-backed-up-by-the-search-results kind of title. Titles should be WP:CONCISE, with the least amount of words employed to identify the event. This event is more known for the disturbance aspect than for the "giveaway" which served as the catalyst for it, and that is what people will search for. If Cenat ever does another giveaway without incident, no article will be written about it. Attaching Cenat's name to the incident seems unfair when we can simply associate it with the location in which it took place, especially if the extent of Cenat's intent to actually spark a riot is unclear. Finally, Kai Cenat Union Square giveaway gets slightly over 1M Google hits, vs a whopping 264M for Union Square riot. See for example, YouTube Streamer Faces Riot Charge After Union Square Park Erupts in Chaos, Melee in Union Square Shows the Real Power Of Popular Influencers, Union Square riot charges: NYPD: Streamer incited crowd that became violent, NYPD chief on Union Square Riot over PlayStation Giveaway, Twitch Streamer Kai Cenat charged over Union Square Riot. StonyBrook babble 12:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Hello! I hope you're doing well. I'm Spintendo, and I'll be conducting this review. The Discussion section below is where we'll have most of our interactions. (I'm using the {{Fake heading}} template to preserve the integrity of the review and to minimize disruption to the transcluded table of contents which appears on the article's talk page.) I've divided the discussion section into subsections based on the headers from the article. Please feel free to place "done" or "fixed" -type comments, objections, or counter-proposals in each section for the issues I'll be bringing up there. Without further ado, let's begin! Spintendo 23:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Lead section
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyHis collective of creatorsThis should be described as "his business partners" because (a) it is a collective that he is a part of, and not his own collective (i.e., describing it as "his collective") and (b) the term "collective of creators" does not specify that these were content creators (i.e., what did he create?) and (c) the phrase sounds promotional by using industry jargon rather than long established phrases (e.g., just calling them "business partners"). Spintendo 23:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 00:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyBackground section
{{Hatnote}} to both Kai Cenat and Union Square.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyWhen Cenat, who was born in December 2001, became a teenager, the social internet was dominated by fleeting video clips on the platform Vine, which sprouted a generation of mini-celebrities who could express themselves in the six seconds available. When Cenat was attending high school at Frederick Douglass Academy in Harlem, a YouTuber named Jake Paul began to attract attention, staging media-baiting pranks that made him the bane of his West Hollywood neighborhood. And by the time Cenat was in college at the State University of New York at Morrisville, a charismatic gamer who went by the name Ninja had become a superstar on Twitch, with tens of thousands tuning in to watch him play the video game Fortnite. By then, Cenat had begun to travel to Atlanta to work with a collective of fellow entertainers that called itself A.M.P., for Any Means Possible.[1]
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 02:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyUnion Square, the location of the riot, was named after the intersection of Broadway and the city's 19th-century street grid. It is located at the intersections of the 4, 5, 6, L, N, Q, R, and W subway lines, which provided the ease of the transportion of large amounts of people to the square. Cenat attended Frederick Douglass Academy and the State University of New York at Morrisville. Around the time of him attending university, he traveled to Atlanta, Georgia to work with a group of Internet personalities called Any Means Possible (AMP). This is not Cenat's first giveaway, as he surprised a Massachusetts woman he used to visit with $20,000, saying she was a second mother to him, and that she deserved it. The woman, Cathy Parker, was unwilling to accept the money.
In a live stream on August 2, he claimed that he would give away gift cards, headphones, gaming chairs, computers, webcams, keyboards, and microphones to attendees who could correctly answer questions about YouTube and live streaming.
"Mr. Cenat, who is from the Bronx, told his Twitch followers on Wednesday that he would be in Union Square on Friday. He asked how many fans would show up. A flurry of answers came in: 1,000, 5,000, 10,000. A friend sitting next to him said so many would come that Mr. Cenat would need security and barricades. “All trains go here so there’s no excuse,” Mr. Cenat told those watching."[3] Spintendo 20:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
This portion is completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyThe following year, he gained popularity after a series of livestreams featuring artists such as Drake, 21 Savage, Toosii and Lil Baby.This should be reworded to "The following year he gained popularity after producing a series of livestreams with Drake, 21 Savage, Toosii and Lil Baby".
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyIn February 2023, during a subathon—an event in which a livestreamer continuously streams in an attempt to gain paid subscribers, Cenat joined United Talent Agency.It's unclear, did Cenat join the talent agency during the livestream? if so, it should be reworded to state that clearly, such as "in February 2023, Cenat filmed his joining of the United Talent Agency during a livestreamed subathon." We can also delete the definition of subathon, since we'll have the Wiktionary page Wikilinked as shown in my example.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyIn the days preceding the gathering, Cenat announced that he would give away PlayStation 5 consoles at 4 p.m. in Union Square along 14th Street,[4] joined by Fanum, Duke Dennis and Agent00, three Twitch streamers.should be "In the days preceding the gathering, Cenat announced that he would give away PlayStation 5 consoles at 4 p.m. in Union Square along 14th Street, where he would be joined by Fanum, Duke Dennis and Agent00, three Twitch streamers.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyIn a live stream on August 2, he claimed that he would give away gift cards...This should state "In a livestream on August 2, Cenat claimed...."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyCenat did not have a permit for the gathering. On the day of the giveaway, he posted on Twitter that he would be live streaming the event at 3:30 p.m.should be "Despite not having secured a permit for a gathering at Union Square, Cenat posted on Twitter that he would be live streaming the event at 3:30 p.m."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyGiveaway and subsequent riot section
By 1:30 p.m. the area was filled with fans. The New York City Police Department (NYPD) became aware of the gathering at the same time, as dozens of people began converging. By 3 p.m., a large crowd had gathered in Union SquareThe timeline is unclear here. It says that the area was filled with fans at 1:30, but then again at 3pm it states a large croud had gathered. But didn't the crowd get there at 1:30, when it was "filled with fans?" I would think an area "filled with fans" could be considered "a crowd", although I understand that at 1:30 it was only fans while by 3:30 it was more of a mixture of fans and not fans (see next entry)
partially drawn to the event by further word of the giveaway outside Cenat's fans."many of whom were drawn to the event by word of mouth from sources outside of Cenat's fans" or something to that effect.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyBy 3:30 p.m., the NYPD had mobilized dozens of officers to the area and established a perimeter; the group took down barriers and conflict broke out between police and members of the crowd.which group took down barriers?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyMembers of the crowd climbed up a gazebo, street signs, vehicles including a bus, and a George Washington statueI don't think it's possible to "climb up" a bus or vehicle. Street signs and statues you can climb up, but vehicles including buses are climbed upon.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplySocial media posts of the riot surfaced around the same time.what time would that be?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyAccording to the NYPD, individuals walked around with shovels and axes from a nearby construction site and lit off fireworks" According to the NYPD, individuals walked around with shovels and axes taken from a nearby construction site, while others lit fireworks."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyThe NYPD called on an estimated one thousand officers to respond as part of a level four mobilizationat what time did this occur?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyAt least two thousand people came to the event, though police estimate that three to five thousand people were present.who's estimate is the two thousand number?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Comment: I guess I'll answer my own question here: It was the NYPD, and their initial estimate was 3-5K ppl Completed Spintendo 04:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyThe NYPD does not use tear gas.But the source given for this claim confirms that they do use pepper spray. It's unlikely that Cenat, if he made this claim, really knows what the difference between tear gas and pepper spray is. He may have seen one used while assuming it was the other. In any event, the claim that NYPD does not use tear gas should be accompanied with the statement that they do use pepper spray. Spintendo 20:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 13:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyCenat was either taken into police custody or let go on his accord and charged with inciting a riot and unlawful assembly.I'm not sure this timeline works, but if it's what media has reported, then were stuck with it. It should at least state he was released "on his own accord after being charged with..." if the charges came that day, if they were the next day it should say"Cenat was initially allowed to leave the area on his own accord but was charged ____" with it stating whenever the time and day he was charged. Spintendo 06:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Aftermath section
At approximately 5:00 p.m., Cenat was taken into police custody and charged with inciting a riot and unlawful assemblyThis contradicts NYTimes reporting, which stated Kai left the scene of his own volition (or was at least given a friendly escort):
"Rather than arrest Mr. Cenat immediately, for example, the police could have used him to address the crowd, he said. “The minute that the N.Y.P.D. moved Kai Cenat from the scene, they lost their chance to leverage him,” Mr. Raymond said."Spintendo 04:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
- Wednesday, August 2nd, Kai Cenat's Instagram story announces a giveaway to start at Union Square Park on Friday, August 4 at 4 p.m.
Response section
At a press conference, Maddrey stated, "When I go back later on this evening, I will have an after-action determine [sic] exactly what our steps were. We can't allow this to happen again in the future".If these are the mayor's actual words, then we need a
{{sic}} template. Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 23:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyCenat said, "I don't condone any of the things that went on that day. None of that is cool." He reiterated that he is "beyond disappointed in anybody who became destructive that day. Anything we do like this has to be safe and fun. We can't just be running around and destroying this and destroying that. I want y'all to know that none of that is how I wanted any of this to go. I'm trying to get through this and stuff like that (the charges) and handle it the correct way. If I ever wanna do something like this in the future, I gotta make the right calls, do the right things. I can't stress enough it was not my intention, bro, I don't condone any of the things that went on Friday." Cenat told his followers on Twitch that for the time being, he is going to take a break from streaming to handle the upcoming court dates, adding his first one is August 16. He also urged the media to leave his family alone.[5]
Done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 00:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Completed Spintendo 17:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyAnalysis section
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In February 2023, the United Talent Agency announced that they would represent Cenat during a subathon. At the end of the livestream, he had amassed 300,000 Twitch subscribers, a record for the platform.It's not clear whose subathon this was, since it merely mentions UTA announcing they would represent Cenat during "a subathon". This was his subathon correct? I it was his, how did they come to make the mention? Spintendo 17:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply Completed Spintendo 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyKai Cenat is an American livestreamer and YouTuber. He attended Frederick Douglass Academy and the State University of New York at Morrisville. Around the time of him attending university,If the university is already mentioned, it doesnt need to be mentioned a second time. And while it says "at this time", the time period for when he went to this university is not stated. Spintendo 17:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
right? — Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyAt this time, Cenat traveled to Atlanta, Georgia to work with a group of Internet personalities called Any Means Possible (AMP), which he joined in 2020.
Done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 23:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Completed Spintendo 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyIn the days preceding the gathering, Cenat announced that he would give away PlayStation 5 consoles at 4 p.m. in Union Square along 14th Street, where he would be joined by Fanum, Duke Dennis and Agent00We need Wikilinks for these three individuals, if they exist as articles. Spintendo 17:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Partly done— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)ReplyGA Final review
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