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Hi Kabz 15, your recent attempt to revamp your map with sources merely shows more clearly how you go about creating WP:OR over and over again, despite earlier warnings on other pages:
Your map is essentially claiming that at some point the Emirate of Tlemcen was an enormous empire comparable in extent to the Almohads or early Fatimids. This is not a claim I've seen in reliable sources; if it is, you need to properly cite such sources, not stitch together vague tidbits from other sources in order to reach a conclusion that fits your existing POV or that creates a WP:FRINGE view.
This is a direct quote from the WP:OR policy (WP:SYNTHESIS specifically), which describes in short what you are doing wrong:
"Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research performed by an editor here."
There are reasonable cases of synthesis you can perform when and if the sources are clear, reliable, and well-cited, to supplement another source for example, but this is not what you're doing. Rather than trying to create one problematic map after another based on these, you can use some of these sources (if they're reliable), to add more information to the main body of the text, where these facts can be properly contextualized and revised by other editors if necessary. This is a much better service to the topic.
Needless to say, I will be removing your map once again. And I will be doing the same at the Hammadid dynasty page, where you just did the same thing again. In the future, if you persist in doing this kind of thing, I will refer back to this discussion. R Prazeres (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Not a great deal is known of the Īfranid state of Tlemcen after the siege of Ṭubna. It is however very probable that friendly relations were maintained with the Ibāḍī kingdom of Banū Rustam [q.v.] in Tāhert, which bordered on Tlemcen. The first ruler of Tāhert, ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. Rustam, who governed the town from 160/776-7 or 162/778-9, even allied himself with the Banū Īfran by marriage, since he probably married a daughter of the ruling family of Tlemcen. From this union was born ʿAbd al-Wahhāb, the second Ibāḍī imām of Tāhert. This marriage must have taken place in about 148/765-6 at the latest, since in 167/784-5, at the time of the death of ʿAbd al-Raḥmān b. Rustam, ʿAbd al-Wahhāb was already an adult and a member of the council of six empowered to choose the future imām from its own members. Curiously enough, another member of the same council was Abū Ḳudāma Yazīd b. Fandīn al-Īfranī, a cousin and supporter of ʿAbd al-Wahhāb, who later became his implacable enemy and one of the founders of the Nukkārī heresy. He conducted a long war with ʿAbd al-Wahhāb, probably relying mainly on the Banū Īfran; in the end he died in battle, killed by Aflaḥ, son of ʿAbd al-Wahhāb, in about 188/803-4 or shortly afterwards. At that time, the Īfranid state of Abū Ḳurra had already ceased to exist for some years. It seems moreover that control of Tlemcen, which was then inhabited by the Banū Īfran and the Mag̲h̲rāwa, had passed after the death of Abū Ḳurra into the hands of Mag̲h̲rāwa leaders belonging to the dynasty of the Banū K̲h̲azar, this dynasty being destined to play a considerable part in the history of the Mag̲h̲rib. In 173/789-90 (or according to certain historians, in 174/790-1), at the time of the conquest of that country by Idrīs I [q.v.], the founder of the dynasty of the Idrīsids, Muḥammad Ibn K̲h̲azar b. Ṣūlāt, the ruler of the town of Tlemcen, came before the conqueror and, thanks to his prompt submission, obtained security for himself and for all the Zanāta tribes of the central Mag̲h̲rib. It was Sulaymān, brother of Idrīs I and later hereditary ruler of that town, who became the Idrīsid governor of Tlemcen; it seems however that, save for this fact, conditions in the central Mag̲h̲rib were little changed. The Zanāta tribes in the country continued to recognize the supremacy of the Mag̲h̲rāwa, which had long replaced the supremacy of the Banū Īfran.[14]
In the years immediately after the Abbasid invasion of 761 the Banu Ifran tribal confederacy, whose leaders at this time adhered to the Sufrite Kharijite doctrine, gained ascendancy in north-western Algeria. Lewicki (cf. 'Ifran' in El) traces the origins of this confederacy to a small tribe also called Banu Ifran which lived at the time of the Arab conquest in the district now called Yafran in central Tripolitania. The main body of this confederacy moved westwards, probably as a The Rustamids result of the Arab conquest. Having settled in the Awras region, it joined the Berber tribes which resisted the Arab invaders in the 690s under al-Kahina's leadership. A fraction of this confederacy remained, however, in Tripolitania and adopted the Ibadite doctrine. The Abbasid invasion of 761 which forced a number of Ibadite Berber tribes from Tripolitania and southern Tunisia to move into Algeria, also caused the Sufrite Banu Ifran to move from the Awras into north-western Algeria. Supported by the Maghila, another Sufrite tribe, the Banu Ifran emerged in the 760s as the most important opponents of Abbasid domination in Algeria. In 765 these two tribal groups proclaimed the chief of the Banu Ifran, Abu Qurra, as imam. Tilimsan, which was built by the Sufrite Berbers on the foundations of an ancient Roman town, became the capital of the Sufrite imam. The Banu Ifran were able to repulse the attacks launched against them by the Abbasid army and on one occasion even raided Tunisia. From the early 770s, however, they lost their leading position amongst the Kharijite tribes in Algeria. Although they retained control of Tilimsan until its conquest in 790 by the Idrisid rulers of Morocco, their authority was eclipsed by that of 'AbdulRahman b. Rustam, the leader whom the Ibadite tribes in Algeria proclaimed as their imam in 776 or 777 (A.H. 160). Thereafter the Banu Ifran, to whom 'AbdulRahman b. Rustam was related through marriage, figured more as allies of the Rustamid rulers than as a politically dominant group.[15]
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Just a minor note because I intended to make it a separate edit with a separate edit summary, but I accidentally removed during an unrelated edit: I've removed the "Spain" section on this page because, as per my explanation in my last comments in the talk section above, this kingdom isn't related to the emirate of Tlemcen, and it belongs on the Banu Ifran page (where a section about it already existed and has been moved into the main history section there). There's already too much overlap and confusion between this page (which is about the state founded by Abu Qurra) and the general Banu Ifran page (which is broader in scope). The inclusion of a section on the Taifa kingdom contributed to this unnecessary overlap. R Prazeres (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2021 (UTC)Reply