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I'm going to edit this page because I think the definition provided is incorrect. If someone is curious or disagrees, please look at the version prior to my edit. However, based on reading two of Ehrman's books and listening to his Teaching Company lectures I think that proto-orthodox is distinct from Marcionism, Ebionism, or gnostic groups, and I think that should be emphasized in the definition provided. --Jackson 05:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
i believe yours is incorrect/biased. i did my dissertation on the term proto-orthodox christianity.
I would like to discuss this section. I expect to remove most if not all of it.
It is unclear from your analysis whether the aggressive activity you claim is evidence of the supposed adherence to the hubris guideline, or the supposed adherence to the guideline is being presented as explanation of the alleged aggressive activity. Unfortunately for your presentation, you haven't provided evidence for either claim, neither of which are generally accepted, to say the least, and for this reason I am asking you to provide, if you wish to reintroduce this passage, clarification of cause and effect and relevant citation.
I don't understand what you mean by placating their of idea uniformity and the idea of the univeral; you don't placate ideas, you placate intelligent beings, so what kind of feelings are being placated? insecurities? wishes to have one's notions of good stewardship of revelation respected? I can't help mentioning you haven't provided any supporting evidence for whatever you're trying to say here, either.
And you say on this talk page you wrote your dissertation on this subject. Is this a dissertation for your international baccalaureat (international high school equivalent)? You say on your user page that you're an undergraduate. Aren't you afraid you might be in a little over your head? And are you aware that Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written from a neutral point of view including both sides of an issue? Dissertations usually follow a thesis (one side of an issue). 64.154.26.251 01:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
lol, feel free to edit it! thats the point of wikipedia anyway!
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The article and the article's title capitalize "orthodox" inconsistently, which is more correct? Bryan 04:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Who else besides Ehrman uses this term? How standard is it? Are there other definitions? DGG (talk) 00:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I do not see anything in the article to distinguish "proto-orthodox" as a concept. If you replaced every instance of "proto-orthodox" in the article with "early orthodox", the article would read fine, and relate rather well-known statements about the early church which a modern scholar or a scholar hundreds of years ago would agree with. What does the concept "proto-orthodox" bring beyond simply identifying the faction of early Christianity which has always been denoted as orthodox? Tpellman (talk) 04:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
I agree. The term, to the extent that it is useful and meaningful, has been used to describe beliefs which LATER became orthodox but, at the time, where not yet dominant. The definition given here is of a movement that was ALREADY stifling opposition and ALREADY asserting that it had always been the "true" belief -- in other words, already "orthodox". 24.44.237.141 (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)captcrisisReply
The paragraph "In the canonical gospels, Jesus is characterized as a Jewish faith healer who ministered ..." has me puzzled. It seems to state that the "proto-orthodox" took this view of Jesus, it appears under a heading which implies the claim. If the statement is made as a rebuttal of the "proto-orthodox" position this should be clearly indicated. It will then be open to question whether or not it is justified. Jpacobb (talk) 23:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Okay, so the article claims that Proto-orthodox Christianity (POC) solidified the NT canon, but then later also claims that the Epistle of Barnabas was especially important to them. Isn't that like saying, "Early United States citizens held true to the Bill of Rights and especially the Congressional Apportionment Amendment? There's no attempt to connect it to the rest, even. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 20:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
This is bordering WP:FRINGE and apologetics or reflection of a WP:POV, but hardy encyclopedical enough for a standalone article with concerns to Wikipedia:NotabilityorWP:NPOV. Better merge with Early Christianity. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - I don’t know why you would consider Proto-orthodox Christianity "Fringe" – besides writing a number of popular books, Bart D. Ehrman is a respected biblical scholar – the notion of Proto-orthodox Christianity has gained popular acceptance and is referred to in articles on Orthodoxy; Gnosticism; Marcion of Sinope; Development of the New Testament canon; Treatise on the Resurrection; Ante-Nicene Period; Letter of Peter to Philip; Split of Christianity and Judaism; Luke–Acts; Fallen angel; Heresy in Christianity; Pistis Sophia; Biblical canon; Esoteric Christianity; Preaching of Paul; Great Church; Authorship of the Pauline epistles; Gospel of Thomas; Second Temple Judaism; New Testament apocrypha; Antinomianism; Gospel of John; Valentinianism; and others, so I think it is Notable – as it is a fairly new concept (2002), having a separate article to explain the how and why of Proto-orthodox Christianity is very useful and necessary – cheers - Epinoia (talk) 17:52, 25 November 2018 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - This entire article appears to be a discussion of the views of Bart Ehrman, who came up with the term, and as such a separate topic in its own right, since it was seem undue weight to one individual's thesis to place it in Early Christianity. Mannanan51 (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - "Proto-orthodox" is a useful term which no Christian or student of early Christianity can object to. Everyone agrees that in the early days there were several competing versions of Christianity and one of them eventually won out.68.196.1.236 (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)captcrisisReply