User talk:Drmies/Archive 29

Singing your praises as well, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

1 April was yesterday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Now time for Passion: He was despised --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thank you NA, thank you GA. NA, are you staying out of trouble? Drmies (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Gerda, I need to learn classical music. Will you suggest a recording of the Messiah? Drmies (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I would if I knew one. We learned it from scratch, I didn't listen to any. Perhaps ask project classical music. Andreas Scholl sang "He was despised" for us, if you find a recording with him it should be good. Yesterday we sang Barber's Agnus Dei, borderline to what we can do, but it was great! See my user for the link. Did you know that I wrote "he was despised" when BarkingMoon left, and someone commented "how appropriate to the situation at hand it is"? I still miss him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The sitation at hand is good for 10,000 Easter eggs on my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Holy smokes, Drmies. Congratulations, and thanks for all you have done, and are doing, for the project. Khazar2 (talk) 04:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Wow .. truly impressive. I hope I can say that "I knew him way back when". :-) ... congrats. Drmies. — Ched :  ?  12:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Does this mean they will finally let you out of your cell? Just remember, the big yellow thing in the sky is the Sun, don't look directly into it. Dennis Brown (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Ched, our little boy is growing up. </sniff>. -kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you all--thank you K. *snif* If only papa were here to see it. Drmies (talk) 13:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Speaking of parent of the year, my son just learned to say "Jesus Christ", fortunately he is using it in the correct context, and since it is Easter weekend, I think it is appropriate. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• My daughter has loved Jesus for years now, as an intended consequence of the US public school system. When we saw one of those life-size Christs in the Trier Cathedral she was practically in tears. Drmies (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Jesus Built My Hotrod. -kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• LMFAO .. ahhhh ... the good old days. You guys crack me up. And yea .. some folks are very much missed. Hey Kelapstick .. we raised him well. :-) ... cheers all. — Ched :  ?  16:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • I've actually been having a hard time stopping my oldest from singing "Jesus Christ Pose" in inappropriate circumstances, such as in public. Ched, thanks for your note. Can you be a good parent and beat the crankiness out of me? BTW, someone just gave me a bottle of Rogue Bacon Maple Ale. Y'all come by tomorrow, noonish, when the water is nice and the beer cold. Drmies (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, too far away to join, Happy Easter from Germany, imagine Hallelujah Chorus (see my user for what we actually sang, Mozart Mass K 194 tomorrow), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Just back from doing a show in Brattleboro, Vermont, during which I did almost no Wiki-editing, so I'm a bit late on the 100k-congrats, but "well done" anyway. (Not to be too competitive, but between User:Before My Ken, User:Between My Ken and User:Beyond My Ken, I've got 101,603 -- but, of course, I'm not as beloved as you are so...) Anyway, I'm really quite pleased to have gotten to know you, a little bit, here on Wikipedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Well, congrats to you too, then! And the pleasure is all mine, BMK/BMK/BMK. Drmies (talk) 04:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Haha, I knew you'd come back and fix that typo. A good way to beef up the edit count! Drmies (talk) 04:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

LOL!! Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hey, I counted up to 98,925. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Shit, you're right. There was a mistake in a formula in the spreadsheet I use to track my edits, so I must bow to your superior editcount achievement! I probably won't hit 100k for a month or so. (Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to clean the egg off my face.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Yes, bow to the master/mistress. And did you know I made all those edits with one hand, while collecting maidenheads, teaching class, raising children, and building a hot rod with my other appendages? Drmies (talk) 04:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

What?!? No progress on solving the problem of world peace in your spare time? Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

(S)he really shows talent is while juggles kittens while editing.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Many congrats on this and your fine writing skills.PumpkinSky talk 20:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

On this day PumpkinSky's Easter egg tree and my Bach cantata mentioning an approach for peace are featured together on the Main page, enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Doc

Could you check out MyBB versus the previously deleted one? Wondering if G4 is applicable or if I should send it to AfD again. ^Bongo_matic 14:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Tx

Ping ^Bongo_matic 02:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Right. Hey, run for admin, will ya. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Well, much of it is still the same, with minor tweaks. The newer version has a few more references (I wouldn't say they're from RS). I personally would decline G4, but keep in mind, Bongo, this is not my field of expertise. Maybe a more knowledgeable admin will see right through the differences. Sorry for my tardiness. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I'd love to be able to see deleted material but no other tools would be of interest to me. No way I'd make admin, anyway. But thanks for the thought. ^Bongo_matic 06:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ya know, I was just (two weeks ago) going to suggest Bongo run the gauntlet. I would love to see the two of you block each other. Just think of all the authority you could flex when you remove {{recent death}} from articles, not to mention the additional street cred that the cabal would get.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 05:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Enjoy. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

You ought to see if anyone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles can identify the second one. LadyofShalott 21:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Exelent idea. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Identified and improving the genus article. Cool! LadyofShalott 17:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hey K, thanks for stopping by and dropping all these creepy animals off. I hope you're doing well. Is your pool temp going down now? Ours hasn't gone over 76 yet, but it's good enough for me. Been working in the yard--Lady, next time you come by there will be a lawn and other luxuries, perhaps even an outdoor shower (that's kind of a dream of mine). Haha K, six inches? Drmies (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Pool is down to 73, although we had the cover off for a couple nights, and winter is coming. Trying to get it back up, but it's nice and refreshing. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Why do you guys behave like this? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_British_fascism_since_1945&action=history ) That sort of adminnish behaviour is why people get turned off Wikipedia. The edits in question where minor, and it'd be a waste of everyones time to push it, so your view gets through. And I can't understand why anyone would have that view. You want a particular article to be a random list of names rather than a "history", as the article's title implies. I was adding a little bit of extra information to that history. You took offense to it, first because i didn't reference it, and then when i did reference it, you somehow took offense again, for reasons I cannot understand. Why do you care so much about removing a particular line of information from a history article? It just makes no sense. I don't understand why admins who act like this are the way they are. It lends a really petty, poisonous culture to Wikipedia. I stopped using this site for many years after encountering this culture (though in that case, it led to me being stalked and harrassed by the admin in question, which is more serious), and it's great to come back and find that nothing has changed. I just don't understand why people like you seek to create this sort of environment. What motivates such petty squabbling over inoffensive (and on-topic) encyclopeadic article additions? 130.194.160.4 (talk) 02:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• That information is excessive, redundant. The party has a main article. Why, in a brief paragraph on the party, you'd want to say something as trivial as "they had a newsletter and this is what it was called" is not clear to me. What's even more incomprehensible is that you didn't add it to the main article, National Party (UK, 1976), from which I can only conclude that it must not have been that important. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello! I saw you warned User:HammerFilmFan for removing talk page comments. But it seems he is unwilling to understand the talk page guideline as he not only changed your warning message but also continue to remove talk page comments by other users. Can you please look into the issue? Thanks! --SMS ^Talk 11:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. Would you mind having a look at this for me - Impiety (band)? I'm having some difficulties explaining the concept of WP:RS to an anon user who has just contravened 3RR. Cheers, Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Baz, I have learned recently that knowledge of WP's rules is rarely enough to win such an argument. You can try all the different resolution processes, and I wish you good luck with that. More to the point, I see that the talk page is being used, and now that the article is protected that's the only way out of this. Someone backed you up already, and I'll weigh in as well. Drmies (talk) 04:05, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sjeez, me, OLD??? :-)

Seriously, I'm getting a bit irritated with an IP and a SPA editor (perhaps the same person) at Bharath Sriraman. Being the cranky old Calvinist that I am (I grudgingly admit that there may be some truth somewhere in that assertion), I'm perhaps being too purist. The article looks decent, but there is a tendency to put everything that the guy ever has done in there, every seminar, trip, published note, etc. The article is also being overcategorized (in my opinion). Could you perhaps have a look and tell me whether I'm being unreasonably Calvinistic? Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Oh, not another Indian article...I assume you already tried Boing, Sitush, Regentspark, Matthewvanitas, and all the others who are attempting to blackball editor X's caste and hometown? ;) Drmies (talk) 22:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• OK, I saw it. May I? I am carrying a very blunt axe and an update copy of BLP and the associated acronyms. What was that term--vanispampuffery? Drmies (talk) 22:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• One IP blocked for warring on the talk page. Someone besides the IP had listed the article as B-class, which is not an accurate assessment: I have downgraded to C. Does the subject even pass WP:PROF? I see no indication that he passes the GNG. Drmies (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks for the help here. I wonder who the IPs are (WHOIS says some of them are from Argentina...) Anyway... My estimation is that he passes WP:PROF, but barely. This based on being EIC of The Mathematics Enthusiast, a journal that itself just makes the cut (based on being indexed in PsycINFO). So it's borderline, but I don't think that an AfD either for him or for the journal would fly, so I haven't even tried. BTW, I saw your remark about maple ale above, which reminded me of an experience I once had in Halifax, NS: one Sunday morning I went with a friend (who seemed to know every single person there) to the farmers market for breakfast. By 11 am, I had had coffee, cookies (the breakfast, I guess), the local white wine (Jost wineries, recommended), a locally-distilled whiskey, and locally-brewed jalapeño beer... When I subsequently asked whether there were people who actually would drink the latter (my advice: don't even try!), the vendor told me people would use it to marinate meat... As for beers in the US Northwest, I recommend two from Montana: Moose Drool and Pig's Ass Porter (seriously, they're pretty good!)... --Guillaume2303 (talk) 10:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Moose Drool...well, that's a treat. I would drink a jalapeno beer, though. Hey, on a hot day, try a lager (no Heineken, please--Grolsch is OK) with a shot of hot sauce in it (Louisiana-style, not Tabasco). Salut, Drmies (talk) 23:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hiya Doc, I see we are working in parallel, I had just removed the speedy template from Joy Romero, I thought that director of whatever for big oil, and chair of something at Athabasca University was sufficient indication of importance, I was just going to ask you if the press release was enough for BLPPROD, but you deleted me to it. Cheers, and happy Easter. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I noticed that, yes, on the nominator's talk page, where I left a note of a different color. I don't think being a chair of such a council qualifies--it's not the same as being a school president or so and that ref won't change it for me. Feel free to prove me wrong and recreate it...maybe there's more to be found, but I didn't see it. Thanks K, Drmies (talk) 05:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Only quotes in the Financial Post and Calgary Sun, where she is referred to as the VP of Technology Development for Canadian Natural Resources Limited. I would probably side with delete at AfD, but didn't think it fell under the speedy criteria. Did you know that Me-123567-Me‎ considers me his/her enemy? I have an email to prove it! ---kelapstick^(bainuu) 05:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • You know what, I restored it. See what you want to do. No, I didn't know that, though for some reason I've visited that talk page before a few times. Oh, now I see. Drmies (talk) 05:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • Well done, K--thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've only nominated the articles from this user that I thought were problematic. There ae some others that are borderline, but I left them alone. West Eddy (talk) 05:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hiya Doc, would you do me a favour and use your adminly powers to add the protected the redirect UFC on FX 4toCategory:2012 in mixed martial arts. Hope the girls enjoyed Easter. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 07:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Sure thing. Yes, they did; I hope the Kelapsticks did as well. Do they have an Easter kangaroo down there? My girls would love that, I'm sure. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Oh it was crazy, my son doesn't eat chocolate, so we stuff plastic eggs with gummie bears/worms, he ran around saying "look what you found!" both kids crashed from a sugar high by 10:00. And the girl had another nap in the arvo (that's a word here). Spent the rest of the day in the pool. Great way to spend Easter, as I am sure you did too. No kangaroo though, but we will take the girls to the zoo to roam free with them when you come visit. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • You do kind of have an easter kangaroo (I love the first sentence of that article). SmartSE (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • That's wonderful. An easter bibly...but what does Christ have to do with marsupials? I mean, the bunny is obvious, that's in scripture! Drmies (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your support at my RfA. I will do my best to live up to people's confidence in me. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Congratulations, Yngvadottir! Drmies (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I feel West Eddy (talk · contribs) is wikistalking me and I need your help to prevent his constant harassment. Now he's undone a speedy tag I placed on CUPE 3902. I left him a note politely asking him to stop. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jill Kenton is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jill Kenton until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JoeSperrazza (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I don't like making appositives - upsets my stomach - I prefer making pastries. On the religion issue, an elegant solution, but don't expect it to stay that way. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 00:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• That's why I never edit celebrity articles. Too many people with opinions. Pastries....hmm....I had sashimi for dinner, so there's still room. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks for your note. My advice: don't edit war...Collect made edits and gave edit summaries; they've been here a long time and they know more than I'll ever forget. Continuing to edit-war will only lead to a block. Ask them on the article talk page or on their own talk page what the best way forward is. Also, please don't assume that I'm of the male persuasion... Good luck, Drmies (talk) 05:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I wont edit war... I will do Edit Summaries... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vithurgod (talk • contribs) 05:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

(talk page stalker) Male persuasion: Perhaps because you have a userbox that says "This user is totally owned by HIS two daughters"... :-) --Guillaume2303 (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Drmies doesn't like to persuaded to be any gender. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Dammit Willem, I thought there was nothing to identify me. OK, my apologies. K is right, by the way. Just to make that point clear I'm going to pee sitting down, right now. Drmies (talk) 15:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've been called "Sir" on here - even with a username that would seem not to be very ambiguous on the matter. LadyofShalott 01:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I can only speak for myself. woof. :-) — Ched :  ?  10:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC) and if someone infers a reference to my userpage - I won't confirm or deny an implication. — Ched :  ?  10:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC) Reply

I wont add any info in the short term... The Discography is the Main Table of Content for a Singer/ Musician and hence the data is very important as it describes and lists the songs sung by the Singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vithurgod (talk • contribs) 05:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Drmies, Sorry to keep coming back to you with the odd issue, but I would like your imput. Since the last time we spoke (when Pankaj Oswal page subjected to vandalism) there have been a couple of other editors making contributions to page. Fair enough. For the most part I have simply corrected very minor aspects of those particular edits. Recently I added extra text of my own & it would seem that one of those editors disagrees with the content. At this point I have not changed anything, but I feel the latest new edits give a very unbalanced view of the (living) subject. Suspect there is relationship between this editor & previous vandal..the aim is the same to change page substantially. I would like a neutral person, ie. yourself, to have a look. Happy if you could find the time. Thankyou so much. A fair go (talk) 10:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• No bother--but what you need to do, I think, is drop a note explaining the matter at WP:BLPN. I've reverted the latest edit and left the editor a note. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Thankyou Drmies, Much appreciated. I will just keep an eye on it next few days, if any more issues I will follow through with your suggestion. Again many thanks. A fair go (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The protection time is over, and there's been no editing in about a week. Feel free to start charging through it with a great big red editor's pen. I'm not going to edit the article directly, but I say--if it's not verified, either throw it out, or, if not terribly controversial, tag it and then throw it out later. If IP editors start interfering with unsourced changes, I'll semi-protect again. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks Qwyrxian. I have to say, the desire to clean this stuff up has dissipated a bit. And the other day I ran into some anime article--holy moly. But thanks again; I appreciate your help. Drmies (talk) 14:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

To be honest, whenever I go to a KPOP (and, to a lesser extent, JPOP) article, looking for some actual information (i.e., reading rather than writing Wikipedia), I usually have to scan really fast to see if the info is there then close the article as fast as possible. There's just so much junk in them, and such devoted fans, that trying to make them into decent articles just isn't worth the effort. Probably some of the info even can be sourced, and isn't to trivial, but more often than not it's not in English. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

There are again users, and other IP users who keep on adding birthdays and trivias again in the Members section of U-KISS. I am deleting them from time to time but it keeps on coming back. I need your help please. jmarkfrancia (talk) 06:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I know; there isn't a whole lot I can do about it. We both need to be wary that we don't get involved in edit-warring. I've left a few notes on user pages and article talk pages; at some point I want to get the Korea WikiProject involved and I've alerted them already in relation to the GA reassessment of Shinee: see Talk:Shinee and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea. Thank you so much for your help. I'm glad you realize that what we're doing is not hating on the groups, but improving their Wikipedia articles according to Wiki's guidelines. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello Drmies. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Koolakamba, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not blatantly vandalism or a hoax. Thank you. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Yeah, I guess it's a hoax not perpetrated by the Wikipedia editor. Thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 03:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Building on the default twinkle message: I just removed a significant chunk of copyvio from the article, but the topic itself might be notable - at least enough to pass the speedy test. Gotta admit it, though, my first instinct was to just delete the whole thing. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Well, so was mine, but I Googled it and left it for someone else to decide, haha. I may have another look, and occasionally editors with strange interests visit this page. Drmies (talk) 03:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I just dropped a short note at the Primate WikiProject. LadyofShalott 03:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• See, strange interests. I'm biting my tongue, Lady, so I won't be making GI tract jokes. Only five more eggs left--I don't think I can eat them all. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Look what I'm ordering from Amazon. (I'm watching Chopped and got interested in Trahana, which led me to Frumenty.) Drmies (talk) 03:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• (ec) Strange? No, just varied. I'm getting no help eating ours. There's only one other person here who will eat deviled eggs, and she's otherwise occupied right now.... speaking of which, have you been on FB and seen the news? LadyofShalott 03:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• News? Are you friends with Santorum? Drmies (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Oh barf! No, this is more personal, not political at all. That book sounds fun. LadyofShalott 03:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Oh, I see! Congratulations! A bit too young for deviled eggs, probably... Mother and baby are well? Drmies (talk) 03:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks! Yes they are, but mom is exhausted of course. Claudia wanted to go "take care of Mommy"; Chloë wanted to keep holding the baby and said "her is beautiful" several times. :D LadyofShalott 03:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

•   Drmies likes this.

The references in this section appear to be more opinion than based on cited sources, and is probably not quite NPOV. I added a {{cn}} on one of them but citing on a cite note seems to be a little redundant. I figured I'd bring it to your attention as a slightly more experienced editor, given you may have a more appropriate way to deal with this. PuppyOnTheRadio talk 04:07, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Yes. 71 and 73 aren't references per se--they're commentary. Proper secondary sourcing is necessary, moving well beyond the primary reference of the Manifesto. I'm no expert on the subject matter; User:Soman is my go-to editor for socialist matters; perhaps you can drop him a line? Wiki workers of the world, unite. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

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• That's the most incomprehensible dab page I've ever seen. It deserves an award. Drmies (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Yeah, I'd thought I might help you out... then I looked at the dab page and gave up that notion. LadyofShalott 18:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

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• Oh, that guy! I remember him--interesting character. The credit is all yours, Crisco--you are racking up a very impressive resume here. Congratulations! Drmies (talk) 23:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks a lot. A fairly impressive resume, perhaps, but there's always room for improvement. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

...slowly and deeply..before you pop a blood vessel or something like that. :)

I rather gather that you might be more upset about something that scales beyond that particular thread. It isn't worth getting that upset over, you know?

They are asking because they are frustrated and don't know what else to do...and they are following the standard procedures with the templates. This is what they know. For some, the human touch might turn it into a botched job so they would prefer to fall back on crafted language to avoid errors (and trouble!).

I think you are doing a good job in setting an example...let's hope it works.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 01:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Oh, I'm fine, haha. Things will start popping when I start putting the kids to bed, haha. I get your point--but what I don't see is the jump from an AIV report to an ANI report with the request for a year-long block. To paraphrase, I've never seen such a request at ANI before; it's ridiculous. A ban, that's something else, but it requires a lot more evidence. What these editors don't seem to understand is that admins (IMO) will not hand out blocks like that, and that it only backfires. If they leave a real note, make a real effort to communicate, and then the editor persists, then they typically will have a topic ban within a half an hour! Templated warnings, maybe--but who told them to run off to ANI and ask for the moon? If I'm getting frustrated, I ask someone what to do. (In fact, I may have asked you, a long time ago--too long to remember.) Ah well. Time to put the kids to bed. Thanks for your note, Berean. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 01:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ah, see, I was wondering what the hell all those hearts on everyone's page were for! That's an interesting (if inevitable) development. I'm still trying to get a handle on policy...turns out that blocking vandals is like riding a bike, but closing contentious XfDs is most definitely NOT. *eep* Thanks for the e-beer! Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 01:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hehe, true dat. Yes, WikiLove is hot. There is a ranking of which editors have applied the most WL, and I ranked pretty high at one time. Call me a WikiSlut. Also, as you correctly pointed out, we still aren't supposed to hand out punitive blocks--thanks for weighing in there. Next up for you, to get you back in the swing of things, try a civility block. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

That's *excellent*. Yeah, I spent some time reviewing block policy whilst waiting for a 'crat to resysop me, which was quite handy. Though I'm not sure at all I want to start handing down civility blocks - I don't think I even stuck my hands in there back in the day, and I was on Medcom, for Pete's sake! Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 02:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I probably didn't make myself clear on that 30 day suggestion after first leaving a msg and seeing if he did it again. The guy edits so infrequently, I was thinking to make sure he was blocked when he came back (with a more personal block msg as well), again as a last resort, but not punitively. Been working on communicating more clearly and concisely, some days are better than others I suppose. Dennis Brown (talk) 02:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Naaaa. Blocks should be escalating. Short of some really egregious actions (attacks, vandalism that's outrageous etc.) ... Just IMHO - but I would hate the place to become that unwelcoming. Clean block log right to 30 days? Not something I'd ever hope to see. — Ched :  ?  02:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

If he keeps editing like he has, a discerning admin will check the history of the talk page and block the next time he does it. The ANI report makes it sound like the wiki is about to break--it's not. Or, it's not much worse than it was before. Drmies (talk) 02:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hehas responded to you.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 02:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Berean. Drmies (talk) 03:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome. I've gained Ahem insight on what that other issue bothering you might be. At least I haven't templated you there. :P ...but I am laughing my ass off a bit...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 03:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

You were quick. Yes. I have to tell you, I learned something about why people get angry when they get templated. I'm trying to keep things separated though. Drmies (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Well, at least he is communicating, sort of. This is why I said someone needed to communicate outside of a template, to see if it was a lack of understanding of the policies, or a lack of concern for them. Now he has making it clear that he has an agenda and it's just a matter of time. Dennis Brown (talk) 12:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Drmies .. is there a full moon or something? ... I had an IP pushing things on the Spiderman movie today too. You would think when someone avoids being blocked, that they would appreciate it and kind of keep their head down for a bit huh? Maybe something in the water? <shrugs> — Ched :  ?  03:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Awooo! I'm watching The Killing so I'm good. Drmies (talk) 03:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Check your email.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I just caught it, thank--rollback makes a big fat edit summary. Unfortunately the edit was on the secure server. Drmies (talk) 03:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • I've seen it a few times, sometimes you have to do things old school.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Care for a copy edit before submission? I know how you like to build up your DYK resume, besides this one has Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in it! Given the success of Go the Fuck to Sleep, how can we go wrong? (by the way Lady, I am talking to you too)--kelapstick^(bainuu) 07:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • Did a few little fixes. Not awake enough now to do more. Possible "see also", but maybe too far away: Tillamook Cheddar (dog) ("artist" dog owned by Hastie and about whom he's written a book). LadyofShalott 11:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
        • i was wondering how to work him in, might be a reasonable connection. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
          • Whoa, I don't know man... Drmies (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
            • I've added a brief subsection about the authors in the background section. I'm not averse to its being reworked, moved, or removed entirely as y'all see fit. LadyofShalott 14:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
              • Sorry, I was looking at the dog, not the other article. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
                • Any relation to a dog that paints is to be inherently included per WP:DOGARTIST. In fact, I am starting to get suspicious of the dog itself. What if the dog drew the pictures, and not Cortes? How would they have turned out? Does the dog want to blow me up? Thank you to all who helped out, especially the Lady, who must have tweaked it at some ungodly hour (when I saw your edits, I thought ...shouldn't you be asleep?) Does anyone want to DYK it (Mandarax, if you did it, I would gladly add myself to Category:Worshipers of the Mandarax), I probably won't have time myself today, and I fly out this arvo, and likely won't be at a "real" computer again until Tuesday. I do have a request in for some free pictures (for it and the other articles), we shall see how that goes, but KAJ is a nice addition I think, it was a toss up between the head shot and him dunking in uniform.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
                  • Hehe.... Well, I must say that Drmies' talk page gets too much activity for me to properly stalk him them; I saw the start of this thread when that "copy edit" link was still blue, but I didn't notice your latest comment for a few days.   Nominated. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
                    • Switched "him" to more gender-neutral "them", accounting for the recent state of flux. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

<--You're a good man, darax. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Echoing Drmies statement, much thanks Mandarax. Take a look at the gem of a picture I got permission to use. OTRS request submitted. In other news, the circle of life was completed this weekend, Sunday, my daughter and I ate kangaroo, Monday, we fed kangaroos...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Whoa. How was it? Was it wrapped in bacon? Oh, I drank a Rogue Bacon Maple Ale this weekend. It's not worth it. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

It was awesome, although not wrapped in bacon (yet), maybe I will try that next week. Rogue Bacon Maple Ale? Going Rogue are we? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

You weren't being sarcastic, were you (ie, "congrats on your principled stance")? I truly hadn't encountered that abbreviation before (now that I know it, it's painfully obvious).  Levdr1lostpassword  (talk) 03:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I'm an admin. We have to leave irony and sarcasm behind. But yes, I thought it a bit odd that you would revert an edit because of the edit summary, when you didn't disagree with the edit itself. Anyways, the flag removal is indeed covered in the MOS; usually, though, editors leave an edit summary that says something like "rm per WP:FLAG" or so. I don't know why that editor didn't do that, since it wasn't really a copyedit. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

From a purely aesthetic/non-MOS standpoint, I did not agree with the edit. Admittedly, this is not the best reason to revert, though I had never before encountered WP:MOSFLAG (and as you said, this was left out of the edit summary). Thanks for the tip and quick reply -- I'll be sure to limit my use of flag templates in infoboxes from now on.  Levdr1lostpassword  (talk) 03:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Ha, I didn't know you had put it there! But yeah, their use is discouraged. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The issue was handled, I was trying to contribute and apparently, misunderstood and violated "conflict of interest" rules. I have correct my errant ways and there is no need to keep that post up there as active as it's dead and handled per Hulu. Additionally I would not like to be archived as some evil entity here on the wiki as I am in full rule compliance now and have a better grasp of what is expected from editing here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeroyon01 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I really am not sure what all you're talking about. What I do know is that it is not up to you to "archive" (that is, delete) talk page content, esp. content that is not written exclusively by you. That post will be archived automatically in a more useful way than through deletion. I am reverting your deletion, and if you delete it again I will block you. You should be aware of this by now. Drmies (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I believe Zeroyon01 is saying he does NOT want it archived; he wants it deleted because it casts him as "an evil entity." Since he has learned from the issue he wants it gone so no one can see it. The COI bit is from how the spam was presented both to him [1][2] and on the spam page [3]: COI, spam, and non-reliable source, all in one bundle.

On a side note, I am unsure Zeroyon01 understands why deleting the spam talk page section was a no-no, as most of his edits have been in mainspace, not talk/discussion. Dodo bird and I posted to Hu12's page (the admin handling the spam report that Zeroyon01 calls "Hulu"); I posted to WP:ANI; and you posted a comment confusing Zeroyon01's desire to delete the report with a desire to see it archived. No one has as yet showed Zeroyon01 the correct guideline. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for taking care of the Panathinaikos F.C. situation. I don't know if you read my message at WT:FOOTY, but recently there was a campaign by "Prasini" (a Panathinaikos fan newspaper) to make the Hellenic Football Federation recognise their team's pre-1928 championships as official, against all sources. A fan blog also urged their viewers to "restore Panathinaikos' lost titles" at the English Wikipedia [4], so a semi-protection was necessary. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Sure thing. I think I protected it for a week; maybe by that time this will have blown over. If not, re-apply for protection and it shouldn't be a problem. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi there MIES, VASCO here,

since you don't edit much in soccer and don't participate in its forums obviously, have a read at this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Making_room_for_the_young). Would have liked very much to make your acquaintance for real, but can't have everything can you :)

Kind regards, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Whoa. I'm sorry to hear that, Vasco! Your leaving is a loss to FOOTY. Remember, I may still show up on your doorstep, one fine summer day, and I expect to be seated in your backyard and to be feasted on olives, Serra da Estrela, and port. Vaya con dios, Vasco! Drmies (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hey you write on the A Smile from the Trenches page that you had a source for screamo, could you send it to me because the lead singer gave me the basic genres e.g Post-Hardcore, Metalcore, Alternative Rock, and Emo but i want to add screamo (i will also add Emocore) do you think you could send the link? can you also reply on my chat page because i might forget your user name 86.25.246.30 (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd86.25.246.30 (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• What I had is in the article history, in my edits--perhaps you're thinking of this one. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

that's the badger, thanks :D Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd23:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Badger? We don't need no stinking badgers! Drmies (talk) 23:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • UHF.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Yup Dennis Brown (talk) 00:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      •   Geoff ^{Who, me?} 22:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
        • But Honey Badger don't give a shit. Calabe1992 22:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
          • Reportedly, we Alabamians were to fear another one, Honey Badger (American football). That turned out to be nothing to be afraid of whatsoever. Drmies (talk) 04:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Its a saying Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• And a really funny one. I'm going to try and incorporate it in everyday speech. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I am just a tad concerned about a post left by 완젬스 on the talk page Talk:Occupy Wall Street [5] which makes a statement about "Eyeing his/her goal set for this weekend" that is linked to a youtube video of a physical fight. Don't know what to make of it. Seems very inappropriate.--Amadscientist (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• That's weird but I don't know what to make of that either. Drop a note at ANI; there are folks there who know what to do, if anything needs to be done. Sorry I'm of no help here. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

It is a little weird but may just be saying he would stand between conflicts. If it gets weirder I'll make a report.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

You have my full support on edits made on Gjeke Marinaj and "protonism", as this is your profession. I suspect Gjeke Marinaj, or a person strongly affiliated with him, is behind sockpuppets listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Festes

I suggest to edit articles Albanians as accounts above (or related to the account) insists on having Gjeke Marinaj listed in the Albanians infobox (by removing James Belushi), Albanian Americans infobox and has also listed Gjeke Marinaj under Notable Albanians with description "the founder of Protonism - Eminent Albanian-American writer and literary critic." a description that is not objective, verifiable or realistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.236.90.41 (talk) 01:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Go ahead and revert what edits seem inappropriate to you. I've added some names and IPs to the sockpuppet investigation for User:Festes. Thanks for your note: I thought this party was over already. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hmm..there is an entire army of poppet accounts belonging to Gjeke Marinaj and Frederick Turner operating, they also made a tour together in the Balkans where F.Turner praised the works of Gjeke Marinaj on disruptive protonism, being presented as multiple Nobel prize candidate. User User:Empathictrust has made very positive edits on both Gjeke Marinaj and Frederick Turner(poet), I think it is the famous User:Festes behind account Empathictrust. 87.236.90.110 (talk) 23:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The part I removed recently from the page of Hindu Kush which you reverted back, was removed because of its offensive nature to a community and its not even a true fact, its an opinion of the some extremists, the majorly accepted fact is just below which is not explained. Oldmonk7 (talk) 05:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sounds like a Bay City Rollers song...anyway, very exciting night at casa del kelapstick. Assembling the new BBQ, 99 luftbaloons is on the radio, and I am assisting at IRC (quiet as it is there tonight). I know, I wish you were me. Pool temp is still holding, but we still can't convince the youngest to get in, she makes runs at the edge, then says "noooo" (in the manner that 2 year olds do). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Awww--our three-year old said, when she was told to jump in the pool at swimming lessons, "but I'm just a little girl!" The teacher wouldn't have any of it. We'll toast you from the pool this afternoon. Oh, see if you can get "Saturday Night" by Herman Brood and his Wild Romance, the "original" version, not the cleaned-version from the US album Herman Brood & His Wild Romance (album). Essential Dutch rock and roll! Drmies (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC) 01:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Drmies, Could you please take a quick peek at this page that I think is almost ready for upload, and tell me what you think? Thank you for your quick peek in advance. Doc2234 (talk) 01:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hmm what I think is that this needs some more sources. You have to realize, I started my WP career hanging out at AfD so for years my one concern was whether something I wrote would survive AfD. With this one, in its current state, I'm not totally sure. More sources--what about this and this? And have you met User:MichaelQSchmidt? If anyone knows movies and the industry it's him. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 01:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Thank you! Doc2234 (talk) 02:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have seen you put this whole segment away. Not that I am in any position to say that I am right after reviewing other kpop articles like TVXQ. But instead of putting the whole segment away and saying the language is poor etc. Why not you go an extra mile and tell me what went wrong and maybe I can edit it instead of just deleting the whole segment away?

I am keen in listening to opinions after which making the appropriate changes but by removing the whole section, it's just looking down at me. Using an analogy for example, I have dedicate my time doing a research that the teacher does not require me to do. However, when the teacher actually spot checked my research, instead of telling me where I gone wrong and making appropriate changes, the teacher throw back the research at me and say it's wrong. In this sense, how will I feel?

I felt unappreciated. Moreover, the endorsement section have been existing since YEAR 2010! I may sound like I am whining but in fact when b2st wiki was nominated for delete etc. I took my time off starting this article from scratch and re-organizing them.

I am not autocratic, I know I do make some mistake, I do understand why you remove b2st discograph as there is already an article on that. This make sense and I am alright with it.

However, I don't understand what's wrong with b2st endorsement. Those comments? It's on the article itself, it's even credited with reference, just click on the link and read. By deleting the whole section off, it only makes me even more puzzled since no one has deleted it since year 2010.

Maybe, you would like to explain in detail or probably edit a better section. Not simply deleting the whole section away.

Sorry for a long feedback section that demands an explanation.

PS : It's not like I am going back to find those articles again, since I don't understand hangul. It takes a very long time. So in the meantime, I will not touch the page till june holiday arrives. Nicky456 (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you for your note. You have to understand, I have spent hours on a great many of those articles, carefully pruning and leaving edit summaries--Beast (South Korean band), G.NA, Super Junior, Super Junior-M, EXO (band), Shinee, et cetera--to find that my edits inevitably get reversed with a simple "verified since 2008" or, usually, no explanation at all. These articles have been edited by what appear to be fans for years now, with the result that they are little more than long lists of announcements containing all kinds of missteps: poor grammar, overwikilinking, excessive detail, incomplete citations, capitalization errors, redundant lists of releases (when there are main articles for discographies), External links sections full of inappropriate links, descriptions and official colors of fan club websites--I could go on.

  If you're referring specifically to this edit--sorry, but the language was first of all ungrammatical and not in accordance with encyclopedic style, and secondly, it reads like it came straight out of a press release advertising the band and the product:『On April 3, 2012, B2ST was selected as the newest models to promote ‘bodyART™’ in Korea which is said to be slow, but fast and smooth, yet strong. It is very dynamic almost like a dance, but also being a form of exercise.』K-pop articles will have to start conforming to Wikipedia's guidelines; there is no nicer way to say it. Articles that appear to be a combination of fan sites and promotional efforts must be trimmed and revised to become encyclopedic in tone and content. I hope you will help in that effort: your favorite band is better served by a good encyclopedic article than by an article that lists everything but says nothing, and is constantly subjected to this edit-warring over unencyclopedic content (. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I'm considering a run at RfA, and would like your input on my talk page about the issue. We haven't crossed paths extremely often, but you seem brutally honest, and I would like some objective opinions before I make a final decision. If you don't have the time or inclination to participate, no offense will be taken. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 17:19, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• "Brutally honest"? Well... I'll take that as a compliment. Just don't block me for civility if you get the mop. I haven't looked very closely at your edits but I have run into you, more than you think maybe, and I think that you are a viable candidate. I haven't looked at your article contributions, so I'd like to have a look before I support; I have noticed that you are much more helpful to new editors and IP editors than a whole bunch of other NPPers and RCPers. So for now I'll say "sure" but I'll get back to you with more specifics, if that's OK with you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • I forgot to mention that you have said something about this prior here [6], which was one of the reasons I waited a bit, and now holding a more formal discussion on my talk page. And yes, brutally honest is a compliment, I like to hear opinions with no ambiguity. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 17:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Right, I remember that now. You have one of those CSD logs, and if that is complete you've really slowed down on them. Your block log is clear, you have plenty of edits and years on you, you make helpful contributions at the boards. The brutally honest part is that few people will be blown away by your article writing--Bob Timberlake (artist) is now a decent article, but it wasn't all that great when it went live, and without these edits it would have been problematic. I wouldn't oppose based on that, since at least you've been creating things and have added content, but other editors might.

      There used to be an editor who'd drop homework assignments on RfAs, like "create Gibbons-Hawking space" (I just pulled that off article requests). I don't think that was very fair, but if you can show that you can create a decent article, that will help convince those who think that content is just as or more important than proper CSD tagging and an even-keeled temperament. (I'm one of them, though others feel more strongly than I do.) Drmies (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

      • Sorry, I beat you to it; I'm sure you wanted to tackle that space thing. ;) Drmies (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
        • I have always admitted that my authoring skills are not the finest that Wikipedia has to offer. I write commercial copy as a part of my living, and do quite well at that, but that isn't remotely the same thing. As to Bob Timberlake, I did start that in user space, and request help at Wikipedia:WikiProject North Carolina, with one actually helping me. I know my own limitations and I'm not afraid to ask for help or another opinion. I hope that would count for something by those who would be (justifiably) critical of my writing. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 18:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Are you sure about that? The IP(s) responsible for this, this, and that will very likely come back.

I'm not around every day to check whether the silly joke gets re-inserted... --Berntie (talk) 19:15, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I understand, but it's happened four times since December 2011, as far as I can tell. I don't consider that enough to warrant locking the article to IP editors. Tell you what, I'll remove the template so the case is open; perhaps another admin feels differently. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

FYI I've declined it too. Rationale on RPP, but essentially the same as yours married to the fact this would be its first protection. Pending changes anyone? GedUK  11:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

When I redirected this name after closing the AfD, I was surprised to find five incoming links from film articles referring to this guy who has evidently been a redlink up to now, though on the basis of these references is probably as notable as the pseudonymous author. I have turned him back into a redlink at Charles Brokaw (actor) to encourage somebody to write his article. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Sorry John--but did you mean to leave this for someone else? Drmies (talk) 02:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I did indeed, sorry about that - I closed several AfDs last night, and confused this one with Protonism where you contributed. One of the socks re-created Protonism eight minutes after I deleted it - they are certainly persistent! JohnCD (talk) 10:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• No apology necessary, and thank you for closing that. I'm sure it was a difficult decision, hehe. What's funny is that the sock farm has not shown up for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gjekë Marinaj. Thanks John, Drmies (talk) 14:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Katie piper". Thank you. --108.210.33.203 (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC).Reply

I had not realised we "intersect" on 75 fairly random articles! Pleased to make your acquaintance, surely. Collect (talk) 12:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Likewise. Honestly I thought it was more. I was wondering the other day if we ever disagreed and got into a tiff, and if maybe I should start disagreeing more with you. So far I find that difficult. I very much appreciate your BLP work. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Feel free to have a tiff <g>. I suspect you are from the Netherlands? I had relatives who lived there a few centuries ago - I think I likely have relatives there still. Collect (talk) 14:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Tiff attempt #1: Oh yeah? Well, the Dutch suck! Three finals, no cups! #2: Oh, so your ancestors weren't even good enough for the Dutch?? Peace attempt: do some digging and I'll see if I can look them up this summer and tighten up those family bonds. Who knows, they might be nice enough to send you some Nederwiet in the mail. [To the censor: joke! it's a joke!] Drmies (talk) 16:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi, our friend is back and at it again, [7], although he then removed the "football manager" bit, [8], which as I pointed out at ANI was vandalism added by an IP, but User:Whatever17 is obviously pasting the whole wikitext into Word and then just pasting it back in again whenever he adds something. Oh, and not too brightly, he's socking under a new name that's not very well chosen to conceal his identity, making the same edits to the same article. I would like to continue copyediting the article as, amongst other things, the Personal life section is atrocious, all that crap about the woman and the baby needs to go, but I can't see the point of spending my time on it if this user doesn't get a clue. I'm bringing the ANI post out of the archives and linking to this post, just in case you're not around for a while. Cheers! CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 15:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Just adding that I did adress his reply on my talk page too (whilst checking info like the Serie A runs from May to December of the same year). Oh and I'm not a big football fan, I couldn't give a flying fanny (bird or ass?) about this guy, I just came across it Wiki knows how and saw that it was in a bit of a state, overlinked, effusive but poor writing, EL linkfarm and so on. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 15:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  •   Done Drmies (talk)
    • Thanks, saw that just now. I will try and overhaul the Neymar bio to correct BLP standards over the week and obviously keep my eye out for any suspicious IP activity. We'll see what happens in a week's time. Cheers. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 16:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hi Drmies,nog work voor U, I have created a new page on Indian notable Urdu literary magazine Shair, but to avoid the :Disambiguation,I bit changed the magazine name with translation, actually right and famous name is only "Shair".Would you please help me to move it to Shair only rather than Shair (poet).Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Can a stalker please accomodate Justice? I have to run to class, and after that I have a very important appointment at the carpet shop (I wish that were a joke). Thanks in advance! Drmies (talk) 19:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• After all you have to come back?.Justice007 (talk) 19:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • (talk page stalker)  Done. I have added a hatnote to point to the asteroid, and deleted Shair (poet) after fixing the few incoming links to it to point to Shair. Let me know if I have missed any loose ends. JohnCD (talk) 20:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I appreciate both of you.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, I noticed you removed the bulk of Mr.Yoo Young-Jin's credits. He is my favorite Kpop producer and I am determined to restore his page to include all the work that he should be rightfully credited so it serves as a reference point for anyone interested in Kpop to look up his compositions, lyrics and productions. Please kindly educate me on how I can do it so it is verifiable and not looking like a resume. Thank you.--RageX009 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• You can't do it by restoring every single song he wrote or adapted in a gigantic list. You can write about individual songs if there is something to say about them and if it is properly verified by reliable sources--not allkpop or some fan site. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• I understand, I'm not going to use fan sites as references. All of his work can be verified on printed credits of the albums and songs that were released, and most of the work post-2007 are listed on the label's website. But the website is flash-based making it almost impossible to hotlink. And his work prior to the mid-2000s are much harder to verify online, only on print form offline. How does one properly list a body of work by an artist or a creative individual on Wikipedia if it can't be done in a list? Thank you.--RageX009 (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Some kind of notability that would warrant inclusion can be established by reference to secondary sources. What you're talking about are primary sources. We typically don't (or shouldn't) include every single thing a person has done. Every novel by Melville, yes. Every hit by U2, sure. But there is no section in Rodgers and Hammerstein which lists every single on of their songs, and those are probably a lot more notable than those of most other songwriters in the world. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Ok, so if it can't be done on the article itself can I create a separate article just to list his work? Film directors, for example, have "filmography" pages, most music artists have "discography" pages. And using U2 as an example, they even have a List of U2 songs article that lists most if not all of their songs. Thanks.--RageX009 (talk) 06:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • I guess you can. But it's not totally parallel to a filmography: films are usually notable in their own right. The U2 songs, a rough estimate is that half of them are notable enough to have their own article, which isn't the same, I think, for your guy, and you have noted that I left his discography: WP:NSONG has guidelines for notability for songs. What this means, in my opinion, is that songs should be listed in the subject's article if they rise to some kind of notability and can at least be independently verified. A list article, that's a different kettle of fish, and one can find plenty of examples of lists with no verification and no notability for any of the individual items, sure. I guess consensus is that that's OK. In that case you can just copy the entire list from the history and paste it into List of Yoo Young-jin songs (but please remove that fancy formatting with the colors) and place a "See also" link in his article. My main concern is with the article itself which, when I looked at it, had 30,000 bytes and not single reliable reference. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I don't see why I have to set the table - I didn't do anything. Besides, I should get to eat the crumpets (the hell with the tea) for setting the stage for your decision. I agree with everything you said, and, frankly, I'm getting very tired of agreeing with you. (I commented on the Rosen Talk page to nudge things along.) --Bbb23 (talk) 23:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• On second thought, you absolutely did. Only thing I missed in your comments, though (while I'm in a bad mood) is a comment on this running to ANI. Keep that in mind once you have that set of buttons, which really should be soon. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Not sure I follow you (you have to be very literal when you talk to me - must be related to being single-threaded). Who missed it? You wrote: "Hector, there was no need to run to ANI rightaway (REALLY--come on now)."--Bbb23 (talk) 01:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Gotcha: two interpretations possible. See addition above. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

(beating a dead horse) I implied it in my opening post (wrong forum, other ways to deal with the problem) - I just wasn't as forceful as you were.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I want more bitchin'. Hey, will you run already? You, and Dennis Brown, and MikeWazowski, and Crisco 1492, and Sitush, and Sven Manguard, and maybe Berean Hunter, and TheRedPenOfDoom, and Eastmain, and Cunard, and Calabe1992, and SL93. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ah, there's a fine line between bitching and nit-picking. Fortunately, I'm reasonably good at both and so don't have to worry about where to draw that line. Run for what? Admin? So I can be in a bad mood, too? And didn't Mike (whom I don't know) have his rollback rights taken away, not to mention a current block for edit-warring? And he didn't even have to become an admin to be sanctioned. Never a dull moment - would that there were.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I guess I should read the news more regularly, yes. I've only seen Mike's good side, and while I need to look at it in more detail it's worthwhile noting that his opponent got blocked indefinitely. Sure, edit-warring is wrong even when you're right, that's true. But we forgive all kinds of crap. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi. You said I should remove "that rather irksome warning from your user page". What warning? I didnt put it in there. Can I just remove it? I am really not sure what you are talking about. I have been the one staying on topic until another user, Hector, started all this complaining instead of staying on topic and discuss the issue at hand. Now why is any of this my doing or fault? CarrieBee (talk) 17:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

My apologies. I had no idea the comment on your user page was put there by an IP and not by you. You control your user page and your Talk page and with limited exceptions can always remove material you don't like. Generally, no one but you should touch your user page. Editor Talk pages are for (appropriate) comments. In any event, I've removed the language from your user page for you.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Whoa, someone else put that there?? Sorry CarrieBee, I should have looked at the history. Thanks Bbb. Drmies (talk) 18:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

It was my original sin in assuming - you just assumed my assumption was accurate - heh.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

But I did the bitchin. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I see that you have completed that which I could not regarding redirects/moves etc. There was a comment on Talk:Arjun (Actor) - can that be moved over to Arjun (actor) also?

And since you love me so much, do you fancy taking a look at User talk:Rahulkris999#Thiyyar and the various somewhat wayward edits that are going on? I cannot decide if it is disruptive or just the incompetence of a new contributor. - Sitush (talk) 17:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks--I don't know why that didn't happen automatically. I'll have a look. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Yeah, not much for me to do there. If there was a valid (non-deleted) redirect in the history I could restore that and even protect it. As for the editor, they are headed toward excluding themselves but they're not quite there yet. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I've sent the Thiyyar article to AfD now. Completely fed up of those two contributors, who are letting heart rule head. I am pretty sure that they are returning users but cannot yet figure out which. - Sitush (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello.

Please note my recent edits to this new article. It began like this:

AGibbons–Hawking space is essentially a hyperkähler manifold with an extra U(1) symmetry.

The lay reader seeing that will not recognize it as being about mathematics or mathematical physics. I added an initial context-setting phrase:

In mathematical physics, a Gibbons–Hawking space is essentially a hyperkähler manifold with an extra U(1) symmetry.

It didn't say who Gibbons and Hawking are, so I added this:

In mathematical physics, a Gibbons–Hawking space, named after Gary Gibbons and Stephen Hawking, is essentially a hyperkähler manifold with an extra U(1) symmetry.

I changed the title from

Gibbons-Hawking space

to

Gibbons–Hawking space

because WP:MOS requires an en-dash rather than a hyphen in that context.

A remaining issue is that no other articles currently link to that article. You can find out which other articles link to it by clicking on "Toolbox", then on "What links here", and then under "namespace" choose "article" (that last will exclude talk pages link this present user-talk page that link to it, and various sorts of administrative pages that list new articles, etc.). Accordingly, I've added an "orphan" tag to the top of the article. I notice that there are several other articles that begin with the words "Gibbons-Hawking"; possibly some of those ought to link to it, and maybe the list of physics articles and some other physics and mathematics articles. Probably also the pages on Gary Gibbons and Stephen Hawking. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you for your helpful edits. I'll admit that math and geometry were never my strong points. I'm afraid I can not be of help de-orphaning the article. Drmies (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello Mr. Drmies,

Regarding my page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_D_Kuwait I have re-done it again and hopefully it will fulfill your requirements where as my biography can meet the music notability criteria and I have changed the look in which hopefully you would consider it is not promotional at all and personally I do not seek promotion at all. Please consider accepting it. I definitely do not intend in any way to be a part of any advertisement for myself. I have put reliable sources this time, I added it in my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Big_D_Kuwaiti_Rapper/sandbox as well but I think its ready now that is why i posted it, I have worked with producers that are well known to pass the music notability guideline, and i guess this time the article will be overlooked as encyclopaedic. I have included reliable, independent secondary sources that I have had since 2001, and documents, official record deals, and verification's, and the tone of the way the article was written has been changed, I really believe I'm notable enough for a Wikipedia article and if you read my article you will see I have done many great accomplishments as a independent artist, and I hope you can accept my article. Regards, Dhari Dhulaei - Big D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 19:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Hello Big D--it's not a promotional character that's the issue, rather notability per our guidelines. See WP:MUSICBIO. The references in the article are primary documents and what appear to be posts on music sites--not articles in reliable, authoritative sources. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

--Mr Drmies I included My "Record Deal Contract With Smile TV 1" "Record Deal Contract With Smile TV 2" with a respected record label and TV Channel called "Smile TV" associated with http://www.aiwagulf.com/ that has over 7 million customers and worked with well known artist Massari my country is based on 1 million people only Kuwait is very small as you may already know sir, there are hardly any rappers I have started hip hop in my country, and you can see the date on this contract sir "Record Deal Contract With Yacoub_Al-Mohana 1" "Record Deal Contract With Yacoub_Al-Mohana 2" "Record Deal Contract With Yacoub_Al-Mohana 3" with "Gulf Records" in 2001, with well known producer in the middle east Yacoub Al-Mohana which worked with respected artist Rashed Al-Majed plus his father Yousif al Mohana was a icon in the arab music world, and the blogs you've seen in my references that posted me are the top in my country in which there are only few blogs in Kuwait, I'm willing to add more references in the future and upgrade the article but I have worked 3 sleepless nights on my article so far, in addition if you search all of wikipedia you will see there are no rappers in Kuwait except Big D the only rapper in Kuwait with a legitimate story and the only well known rapper in my country. since 1999-present. could you please reconsider my reason to be on wikipedia after knowing this information? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 20:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

@Big D Kuwait: The sources you provided do not qualify as reliable sources according to Wikipedia's rules. I just did a search on Google and Google News, and found nothing in the results which would qualify as a reliable source. Unfortunately, that means that, at this time, you are not notable according to our standards.

That can change, of course, so my advice would be to move the article into your userspace, where you can continue to update it as your career moves along, and if a time comes when you are written about in regularly-published newspapers or magazines, or in recognized sites online (but not in people's personal blogs, or YouTube or Facebook), you can move the article back into mainspace and see if it passes a review for notability then. I think that may be your only option, because it's likely that the article will be deleted at this point. Good luck. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Big D, I've been looking and looking but can't really find anything to help you. The photo of that contract won't help either, I'm afraid. I think there is no choice: you have to get bigger. I hope you do--Beyond My Ken and I are rooting for you. BMK, do you have any connections? Drmies (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

No, if I had connections, the two songwriters I used to work with would be big today. The closest we ever got was to place a song in the soundtrack of a really terrible Whoppi Goldberg film, and to release an album in Finland. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hmm that's a little too RnB for my taste, unfortunately. I like it old school. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Dear Mr. Beyond My Ken and Mr. Drmies,

I appreciate the fact you both looked into my case and tried to help furthermore I'm trying to get a reporter from daily news Arab Times to write a article about me and post it in http://www.arabtimesonline.com/, I hope if that works out my article would qualify your demands, hopefully I will have authoritative sources soon so I can earn your trust, but if you can offer anything positive regarding my case so far I would be very grateful and thankful, knowing I tried my best and I tried to be accepted, I regret to say I can't offer you much more then the sources I have right now, but if you trust me, I will have reliable sources in the future and hopefully my article would be legitimate and accepted, thank you both for everything, if you both ever decide to visit Kuwait and you need anything from here, don't hesitate to ask me. Thank you once again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 05:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

So you know, I've nommed the article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big D Kuwait. I like your music, but you need to receive more attention before having an article here. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 12:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Dear Mr. Smart SE,

I had someone work so hard to make this page for me it took time. i thought i was deemed worthy of being looked up in an encyclopedia. i have been working hard writing everyone that tries to delete me to explain my case. i am not mainstream, and i plan on staying underground. i'm not using this as a way to help my career, im using this for proof; and a reliable source for me to be looked up in by Kuwait. im not in it for money or fame. that's how my small country recognizes me in public, but i needed an article of proof. even if it was a small paragraph. unfortunately at the moment i don't have the reliable source that you ask for. but i earned my fame mostly because i stayed underground. so i can have freedom of speech in cases such as this my Islamic country forbids profanity or even having a music career (if you want to know more about why my religion is against making money off of music i will explain more if you ask me). therefore i cant be true to myself if i was a signed artist because the media will never let me say what i want. they like my music because i am the only Kuwaiti that went this far on my own personal budget.

Im the only unsigned Kuwaiti artist that went this far. where as there is a signed group by the name of Army Of One, Kuwaiti rappers. but Kuwait media decides how there music should be and they can't rap with profanity, freedom, and self will. the songs they make are just for commercial purposes it's not what they truly want to release. i know this because they are my friends. but in my case i have the advantage of being underground and producing my own music. so i can talk about politics, religion, and middle eastern issues, and what the middle east really wants to hear.

Please look at this a article, it is about the band "Army of One" on a Kuwaiti news website "Army of one - Arab Times" what if I could get a article similar to the one I just posted. will that be enough reliable source? my question to you Mr. SmrtSE would I be accepted then. i hope my situation is more clear. thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 13:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Drmies, Thank you again for the references, and for referring me to User:MichaelQSchmidt! Revisions have been made and references in addition to those that you provided have been added here. User:MichaelQSchmidt thinks that the article may be ready to go live, and we would both like your opinion on that. Thank you for another quick peek in advance. Doc2234 (talk) 00:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I'll look, but if MQS says it's good, it's good. You know he's an admin too--strange things happen when nice editors also get power. Drmies (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Hey, that looks good. Next step, DYK! Drmies (talk) 00:48, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Thank you! ...and I never did a DYK before. Afer I upload, I'll check it out! Doc2234 (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Drmies! Could you possibly review the Giulia Marletta page? ...and who might nominate a new article for DYK? Doc2234 (talk) 01:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Drmies. Just FYI, I've started an SPI that involves Sonduarte, an account you seemed to think was a sock, here. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 03:10, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thank you so much, Polisher. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

See Talk:Parkour#Content removal, March 2012. You were the one who removed the links and I don't like having to defend other people's positions. :). --Izno (talk) 13:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks for the note! And thanks for your help on that and associated articles. Drmies (talk) 15:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I agree with the changes done to article based on such reasoning, but I disagree with the final edit... if information that isn't sourced is put on there, then adding the positions without source is just as trivial. Linking to the members pages solely would serve its purpose. The way it looks right now doesn't look very encyclopedia-like either. Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 17:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I may have looked at a few more encyclopedic articles than you have, and I disagree. If you want to remove these positions (which for the most part strike me as silly anyway--Lead and Main and whatnot), I'm all for that. Member's pages aren't sources: Wikipedia is not a reliable source for Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I was just fooling around with the icon, that's all. It won't happen again. Tboii99 ✉ 22:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Also, I didn't realize it was vandalism; I didn't think it was a big deal at all (because I'm not really important and no one actually looks at my user page), otherwise I wouldn't have done so. Tboii99 ✉ 22:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I don't know if it was glitch or not, but I saw the administrator icon back on my user page, and I undid it immediately. But for some reason in the page history it says that I did it, but judging from the time, I don't even think I was online at the time. This is because I replied to your message as soon as I found it, which was as soon as I logged on. Strangest part is, when I first read your message, I checked my user page, and it was gone. This was after the mistaken undo and before my latest undo. Just giving you a heads up in case you kept my page in your watch-list, and it seemed suspicious. Tboii99 ✉ 23:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

No problem. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Have a little thing going on at ANI [9]that you may or may not be able to help with. About an editor's contribs [10], new, all 14 are reverts of the same editor. Looking through the first few articles I see a lot of reverts from 4 or so editors, over time, and I noticed you doing some reverts as well. Thought you might be familiar with the back story on this. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 23:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks! Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 00:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

In response to your referral to me of User:Doc2234 and his article on Giulia Marletta, I did some work on his piece and then went ahead a spent a couple days creating the article Donkey Xote. As I sent it over to DYK, might you look in on it and check my spelling? And then perhaps offer an opinion on my hook? Thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Ha, I may need sober eyes for that, but that's a very funny name already. Hey MQS, you should come down South sometime (CoM never did) and I'll buy you a beer. Drmies (talk) 05:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

  A welcome invitation. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Fixed it.   — OranL (talk) 08:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Excellent! Thanks, and thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 13:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Please see ([11]), the user is threatening me. Soviet King :   Talk or Yell  09:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Sorry, but why are you continuing to engage in conversation there? Why not just walk away? Drmies (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Talk page discussion

After our conversation in which you suggested I run for admin, I started looking at this guide, which, on the whole, I found remarkably well written. However, there was one point (in two places) I thought should be reworded. So, I looked back at the history, found the admin who had added the part that bothered me, opened a discussion on the Talk page, and left the admin a note. He's been very responsive and civil, but, per my last comment in our discussion, I think we've reached an impasse, an unsual impasse in my view, but nonetheless a point where further discussion would probably be futile.

Unfortunately, no one else has commented. In your view, what would be the best way to obtain more comments? WP:RFC? A post to WP:AN (although I would really like to get comments from non-admins as well as admins)? Something else?

Thanks for any advice.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• The history of that talk page does not indicate that it's heavily trafficked. AN or ANI...I don't know. Isn't this the kind of thing that's often advertised on the Village Pump? That may be a good and friendly way to go. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• The Pump sounds like a good place to start. I've never used it before, so it will be a first. I just looked at the user page of the admin I've been having the discussion with. Had no idea he was so active at WP:RFA. Probably just as well or I might have been mildly intimidated. Oh, well, I started challenging adults when I was five years old; some things don't change.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Given that 203.118.187.167, 203.118.187.43, and 203.118.187.209 were found to be socks of WLU, is there any chance I could convince you to roll back 203.118.187.226's revert in the now protected paraphilic infantilism?BitterGrey (talk) 16:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Sorry, no. Sock edits are not per definition bad edits, and since WLU isn't banned I don't see why I'd jump in. Feel free to find another admin or post a note on AN with a link to an explanation on a talk page--but this is a content matter, I can't judge either the content or the sources (which is the heart of the dispute, or it should be), and I have no desire to learn anything about this topic. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Correct me if I'm wrong, but circumventing 3RR(eg[12][13]) seems to be explicitly listed among the inappropriate uses of alternative accounts on the relevant policy page. "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts" is also on the list (eg. [14][15]). BitterGrey (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

BitterGrey, you were both edit warring there. I couldn't care less who started when this time around. I suggested to you that you find an admin to look at the SPI. Let me suggest it again: find an admin to look at the SPI. I am obviously not interested in pursuing this, not on your behalf and not on behalf of Justice Everywhere. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I read over the SPI last week and I'm a bit confused on something, namely whether the clerk found that the IPs were socks of WLU or socks of each other. Because policy prohibits us from linking an IP to an account, the clerk likely wouldn't say that they were his socks if they were, but here's the thing: if those were socks of WLU (which I'm holding out AGF that they weren't), then that was seriously problematic on behalf of WLU and a textbook socking violation. However, circumstantial evidence is likely not enough to tarnish a well respected and long time contributor, so if there isn't a technical link between WLU and the IPs then my guess is that we will err on the side of good faith. SÆdon^talk 20:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Maybe. I'd like to AGF that myself, but I have serious doubts. But I'm not going to block on this evidence, given WLU's lengthy tenure here--which is why I keep hoping that an admin with more experience will look at the SPI, and that one or more editors will jump in that cesspool. Drmies (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Noformation, please be aware that neutral editors apply limits to AGF. Here[16] you applied AGF to two obviously contradictory claims: WLU had first claimed that his login was the initials of his alma matter[17] and then that they were his own initials[18]. Assuming that WLU forgot what is login stood for is not AGF. Anyway, I thought you weren't "interested in being part of this dramafest anymore."[19]? In case it isn't clear, this is the more recent example of sockpuppeting, which makes my previous comment not "conjectural" as you previously claimed when dismissing it[20]. BitterGrey (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I don't know why you are talking to Noformation here as this is not his/her talk page, and I don't see that editor in this discussion. Drmies has said he's not interested in pursuing this. Please either drop it or, as Drmies has suggested, find another admin who does wish to pusue it (that would not be me). LadyofShalott 21:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Noformation was my old account, though I'm not sure why BG refers to me as such since it's not my real name. Anyway, not getting roped into this argument, I'll just say that yes, I assume a lot of good faith, and I'll leave it at that. SÆdon^talk 22:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Noformation was the name on some of the diffs. Using the older name provoked a question like yours, LadyofShalott, in case this answer was needed. Hope this helps clarify things.BitterGrey (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, but this doesn't "clarify" anything for me. But let's all move on if we can. Drmies (talk) 23:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hey, somehow I missed your comment at MFD so I'm pasting below to respond. SÆdon^talk 19:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

(Moved from MFD)My watchlist has more entries than your list of edits, probably--both yours and Noformation's, haha. I liked that name, BTW--why'd you get rid of it? This wouldn't be admin shopping. I can only speak for myself, but if something happened over a week ago and I don't still feel it in my wallet or my pants I have forgotten about it. Drmies (talk) 03:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have about 1400 pages on my watch list at the moment, which is around the point where I start cleaning it out because I can't keep track efficiently. If you seriously have over 7000 pages I'm impressed! Regarding Noformation, long story short I planned on taking a long break after a heated debate didn't go in my favor, so I created Saedon to use as a browsing account, maybe doing a little editing outside of my normal topic areas. Then I run into a bunch of POV EW on Mundane astrologybyUser:EagleEye and, to quote The Godfather, "just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in."

Regarding the admin shopping thing: I know it wouldn't be the type of thing that would have brought scrutiny, but I am considering an RFA sometime this year and so I am trying to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, as I know that A, a RFA is a fine tooth and comb over your contribs and B, being an admin is a heavy responsibility. Anyway, I'll definitely drop you a note in the future if something should come up again. SÆdon^talk 19:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Sure thing. Compare Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Hghyux to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dennis Brown]] and ask yourself who you are. ;) Drmies (talk) 20:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

:) SÆdon^talk 20:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Oh, I thought was bluffing but I wasn't: "You have 12,653 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages)." Crazy. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Don't work too hard on it, but I jumped into a dispute here [21] and think I handled it properly, but wouldn't mind a quick review if you have the time. The guy filing was a 4 day new user and both parties screwed up, and I had to use a bit of a velvet hammer, and wanted to make sure I didn't overstep my authority as a lowly editor ;) Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 00:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I also added a few notes along the way on the editors talk page, trying to talk them off the cliff. I don't think this is how you would have done it, I only know how to do it my own way, which is why I would like your observations. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 00:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• My gosh, Dennis, haven't you had enough assessments lately?   And now heeeeere comes Docccctor Mies!--Bbb23 (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Ok smartass ;) I've been JUDGED a lot, perhaps, but this is about me as an editor, not an admin, and it was a different kind of dispute, and the first time I had to be this forceful and blunt. I was going to ask your opinion on your talk page but the other editor was already there, so I felt it was inappropriate. Drmies is just my backup this time. But your input is welcome, too. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 00:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• If I am ever to be judged, Dennis, I hope I get as much praise and support as you have. Good job! As for your handling of the dispute, honestly, I didn't think you were forceful at all. I thought you were fairly diplomatic but direct. You made the key points without any great heat. Frankly, I'd rather hear from Drmies, not because his opinion is worth more than mine (no one's is, of course), but because most of the points you made, Dennis, were the points I made (I missed the one about Evlekis reverting on Hopelesscross's Talk page), so I'm hardly objective. And now back to your regular programming (whose Talk page is this, anyway?).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• The doctor will see you both. Dennis, like Bbb said, the ANI stuff looks fine to me. I can tell you're practicing for your new job already: forget about telling people where it's at; now you must also try to guide editors and keep them. Your RfA is going well, so you will probably get to block Bbb first--but they may decide to run soon as well. Do y'all still write articles? Drmies (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• "Y'all"??? The south strikes again. If you mean me, too, there's no "still" as there's never been any (a potentially serious shortcoming, so they say). And, Dennis, if you're going to block me for being a smartass (clearly deserved), I'm changing my !vote.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Writing articles is for chumps. ;) I started Red slaw this week, which I think is consistent with your previous assessment of my writing ability. Made a short jog through AFD researching ignored discussions and earned an oppose at RfA with my 'keep' vote. I should be flattered I suppose. And B, unless you can get the DeLorean up to 88mph, you'll never know until it's too late. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 01:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Seriously (for a change), with all this absurd talk about my becoming an admin, I started fretting over the fact that I've never written an article. As it happens, even before the admin stuff, I intended to write an article, just to see what it felt like, but fear of the unknown and laziness kept me from it. So, I've actually started putting together an article today and will continue to work on it until it's ready to be put out there. I gotta admit - it ain't easy. Might be easier if I just wrote a stub, but I'm diving into a full-blown article (not enormous, mind you, but not a stub). Do I really have to cite everything? :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 01:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Long as you have links to Facebook and Youtube, that should be fine. And if anyone tags it for speedy, just remove the tag, even if you have to do it 4 or 5 times. Moving on, keep in mind that I've only created 27 articles and was warned many times that it would be the death of me in RfA. No one has even mentioned it. I have a couple in sandboxes now, you can always jump in. The one on D.H. Griffin Companies needs some work. The last few I've written, I recruited others to help me on at projects, which really helped as I'm an ok copyrighter, but not an author. Work with others if you aren't confident yet. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 02:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• It's possible no one brought it up because it wasn't an issue, since you created a couple of them. I personally don't want admins who can't write and know nothing about content. There's already too many of them around. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Recommendation that I become an admin now withdrawn.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Withdrawal denied. You can learn how to write articles, helping on the one I'm working on in user space [22] is a good start, then I will return the favor. Seriously, if I can, you certainly can. And as Drmies points out, you don't need to be prolific, just experienced. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 14:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Kind of you to offer, but I'm going to continue working on the article I always intended to write. After that, perhaps I'll write some shorter articles, time permitting. In addition, as long as I'm bringing the skeletons out of my closet, similar to the criticism leveled at you regarding CSD, my assumption is I would be criticized for some of my AfDs. God knows I've been beaten up at AfD. The rudeness at AfD used to bother me, but I've developed a self-righteous thick skin because the articles that were kept were of much better quality after my AfD than before. We really ought to have better quality control at article creation. Quality too often seems to take a back seat to numbers here. We could develop a new policy/guideline: "Any article that is still a piece of shit after 6 months is subject to deletion." Heh.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Ify'all are looking for critical topics to write about, there is always What Are These Strawberries Doing on My Nipples? I Need Them For The Fruit Salad!--kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• K, where do you get this stuff from? Drmies (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Wouldn't you like to know...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Drum roll: My first new article. Be kind.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Congratulations. Well done. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Drmies! Getting to DYK, who can nominate the Giulia Marletta article for DYK? Doc2234 (talk) 00:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I'm on it. I think it should be a double, with Donkey Xote. Let's see what MQS says at Template:Did you know nominations/Donkey Xote. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Sounds great! Thanks! Doc2234 (talk) 02:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I modified hook ALT1 to create a hook ALT2.... but would it not be better to create a hook just for Giulia Marletta...something like

  ... that in 2007 Giulia Marletta promoted creating the first mixed capital fund in Italy for the financing and production of international films? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Maybe, but I like the idea of double DYKs. It's up to you, though, since you beat us to it. ;) Drmies (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Fair enough. Let's go with ALT 2. How do we make it a doble DYK that will then appear on the talk page of Giulia Marletta as well as at Donkey Xote?Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Great. I'll go and review another submission so we don't get the DYK cops on our tail. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hey Drmies, I have noticed your presence on most of the backspace of Wikipedia so I figure you are the guy to ask. Is it allowable for a normal editor (myself), to comment or contribute information to RFPP entries such as this one?. I know generally all editors are allowed to participate project wide, but I am concerned as to whether my input and contribution would be more of a hassle to admins working on RFPP than helpful. I find myself more interested in maintenance tasks and back processes including civility issues than mainspace work; I am trying to find a few places to help out without being a nuisance. Thanks in advance! Judicatus | Talk 01:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I've been hanging out there by default, really--RPP is a sucky job, though not as bad as the edit-warring board. I think I appreciate your note. Sometimes it's a lot to check. As you said, in this case it's pretty clear-cut vandalism (and the IP is already blocked) but sometimes it's more complicated than that and help can be welcome. If an admin doesn't like it they won't look at it, I imagine. You can always run for admin yourself... Thanks for your help! Drmies (talk) 01:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • I have thought about running and I think I will put up a nomination, at the least it could give me a good scope of where I am at as an editor (an editor review would do the same but I suspect a bit more heavy criticism of actions I may not even remember from my past in an RFA) considering the scrutiny and at the best level I could help out where needed (or where the moment strikes me to help in between work and college). Also, thanks for the help, I will do what I can to assist around the janitorial halls here. Judicatus | Talk 01:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Well, you've been here a while, and you're not a jerk from what I can tell, so that's all good. Your edit count is low, of course, but since you haven't signed in to that edit counter thingy I can't really see a distribution. Ha, I saw one of your links--GiantSnowman is now also an admin. Where do you have significant article/content contributions? That's not necessary for admins, but it may well be necessary to run successfully, if you're interested in that at all. But my good friend Mandarax does a lot of gnomish work and never complains about not having the tool. BTW, I think that the terror of RfA is overrated. Look at the two RfA links above, in the "Missed your comment" section. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 02:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • Please note that just because I don't complain doesn't mean that I don't have complaints. It's natural, after the reception of your RfA, for you to think that the terror of them is overrated. The most recent RfRfA (I just invented that acronym – I like it!) which I received in my email echoed similar sentiments, but I remain leery. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • Also, I think your name is pretty appropriate if you ever run. Drmies (talk) 02:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • Heh, missed your comments prior to doing so but I happened to activate the distribution graph a little while ago and it makes me cringe...I have sporadic edits, that should not be an issue for an admin but I have seen it become a huge hangup for a lot of RFA commentators. I have very little content creation, I prefer to work on bits and pieces of article space over making massive edits; strange considering I am looking at possible massive impact tools yet I do not like the article end of that spectrum, I'll just chalk it up to preference for now. I was looking over the creation process for nominating myself for RFA and decided to avoid a waste of everyone's time and just go ahead with an Editor Review, thought you might like to comment if the mood strikes you. The review page. Judicatus | Talk 03:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Man I was a prude of the prudes back then..."Such RUDE LANGUAGE (insert british accent)" [23]...embarassing considering I apparently did not understand NOTCENSORED.Judicatus | Talk 03:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Maybe you were, but shit like this and this is not OK and should be removed--that's not censorship, bitch. ;) Drmies (talk) 03:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Lesson for me: Check all shit related to an issue...figured I just removed something for being a vulgarity...never mind then. Judicatus | Talk 03:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • It was clearly vulgar. Censorship doesn't apply to sticking a picture of a penis in Penis, but it shouldn't be stuck in Dick Cheney. So far so good, Judicatus (I like this better than your old name). Drmies (talk) 03:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
      • I actually remember making that request for a name change due to my concerns people would interpret bias regionally and politically, considering Texas geographically and patriot per obvious. I believe User:Bibliomaniac15 made the change for me. Judicatus | Talk 04:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
        • Doc, I hope that is intentional ambiguity in your comment above...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
• Would this article be considered PROD? Considering it appears to be a non notable institution? Judicatus | Talk 04:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • (talk page stalker) I would not prod that. I haven't done any searching to look for potential references; however, I think at the least some of the content should be verifiable and could be merged to the Univeristy article, even if the library article can't stand alone. LadyofShalott 15:14, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
    • I'm with the Lady. That's the kind of thing that's most likely notable. Lady, we missed you today!Maisy was there... Drmies (talk) 19:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• I'm sorry I missed it. Pick up anything good? LadyofShalott 20:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Alright, but how can I determine notability on a library institute? I would suspect the 12,000 membership at first but all university libraries have a decent membership, and considering I cannot find much third party information on the library I would consider it non-notable. So would a merge as you mentioned be the most appropriate action? It could be merged with the notable Kursk State University. Judicatus | Talk 21:14, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

• Well, its notability should be determined pretty much like anything else: are there reliable sources that discuss it? Try Google Books, and see if anything turns up about it. If after you look, you still don't find evidence of notability, then start thinking about a merger. Given the geographical location of this university and library, I'd want to make sure to look for non-English sources before deciding nothing exists - it might be a good idea to ask on the Russian WikiProject for help. LadyofShalott 02:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

And editor removed the tag I had previously put on there about single source, I reverted, we are discussing it. Am I correct in that any article with only one source, regardless of the quality, can have the tag on it? I've never been a discussion about it, and you are the only admin I know that is currently online, so a 3rd on my talk page would be helpful if you have the time. Dennis Brown (talk) (contrib) 15:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've got a couple of musician articles that are not notable outside their band. I've tried to redirect to the band, but I get reverted by the creating editor.... reverted with no comment, saying I need to disprove his argument, name calling, etc... Where do I go/do next and trying to do a redirect? Bgwhite (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)Reply