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You wrote: "That means articles describing either the ministry or the territory as "Hamas-run" or "Hamas-controlled" or some variant thereof are actually in a minority (57 out of 148, not counting another 24 articles published by Al Jazeera in the past week)."
I did another count, considering only a qualification with Hamas to "count", added your 24 AJ articles presuming none qualify and got 70 articles that qualify out of 180. If I take AJ out, I still get 156 total articles, as opposed to your 148. Thoughts?VR(Please ping on reply)07:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent Sorry for the late reply. The discrepancy in the total number of articles is because BilledMammaladded one source, Haaretz, later on, before I posted my summary. I had copied his listing out to a Word document and therefore missed the late addition.
As for those who do qualify, I was low because of the six missing Haaretz articles, plus it seems I missed one "Hamas-run Gaza".
Having plonked everything into an Excel file, I make it
39 using "Hamas-run ministry" (my earlier count of 33 plus 6 Haaretz); in detail: 1 Age, 6 BBC, 4 Bloomberg, 6 Deutsche Welle, 1 Gazeta, 2 Guardian, 6 Haaretz, 2 Indy, 2 JC, 1 NZH, 1 Newsweek, 3 Sky, 1 Spiegel, 1 Time, 1 Times, 1 VoA
25 (one more than I counted last time) using "Hamas-run Gaza", namely: 12 AFP, 6 Australian, 1 Axios, 3 Guardian, 1 Indy, 1 NBC, 1 Times
Your count of 74 is close to my count of 70. Next question: should "Hamas-run Gaza" be disregarded as inaccurate? A 20 March map from BBC shows most of Gaza is under Israeli military control. Likewise large areas are under some Israeli control from this map from AJ on May 7.VR(Please ping on reply)18:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
In addition, Israel itself said Hamas no longer controlled northern Gaza in November[1]. In January Israel feared Hamas "would regain control"[2] (implying it doesn't currently have control). Last week The Economistwrote "The IDF directly controls perhaps a quarter of the territory. Elsewhere gangs and criminals roam, along with the rump of Hamas."
Earlier this month, WaPo wrote "chaos and lawlessness grip Gaza" and quoted the head of OCHA as saying there is no "authority in Gaza with which to engage".VR(Please ping on reply)18:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent 64, actually (39 + 25). As for the accuracy of "Hamas-run", there still seems to be some basic administration – I believe government (incl. health service) employees and pensioners are still getting paid, there is still a government media office – but The Economist probably describes it very well. I don't know more than that. AndreasJN46618:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent 63 is what I got last time (when adding the six Haaretz)
For me the relevant point is, even if you include references to Gaza being Hamas-run, it's well below half the articles published on the topic. (And I agree we should weight publishers according to number of articles published.)
And if we can show we do what The New York Times, Associated Press and Reuters do, accusations of undue bias are unlikely to get much traction. AndreasJN46619:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent Even AFP do not use "Hamas-run" consistently. E.g.: [3] Also, I can't actually find 12 articles on Gaza on afp.com published between 12 and 19 July. The wording "health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza" seems to be part of some ticker with daily updates of the number of people killed in Gaza that bleeds through into completely unrelated Google results. AndreasJN46619:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Including "Hamas-run gaza" it is 41%, excluding it is 25%.
What do you mean by "part of some ticker with daily updates"? I still think Hamas is no longer running Gaza as it was on Oct 6 and "reliable" sources who claim that should be disregarded. Some times sources just run with an inaccurate statement.VR(Please ping on reply)03:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vice regent If I do a Google search for site:afp.com gaza health ministry for the seven-day period of 13 to 19 July, I only find three articles that are actually about Gaza:
I see. In fact, it looks to me like a case of them choosing the wording early in the war (when Hamas did run Gaza) and then not updating in response to the changing situation.VR(Please ping on reply)14:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
